Moderated Windows key gives two different results
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Van Lant, Robin
Hi all, This is an uncommon issue, but baffles me when it happens, so I’m hoping one of you can enlighten me. I really don’t use the Windows menu much. My primary uses are to hit Windows key to access the search field when I need to access an app not on my desktop or taskbar. I also use the Windows key X combo to open the version of the menu that offers the “Shut down or sign out” option. I have not become adept at the menu structure since Windows 8, so there is probably a lot there. Anyway, it occasionally happens, as it did this morning, that I hit the windows key and the search field is not there. This is what I heard when I arrowed up and down in this case: All apps checked‑
I cannot figure out what this is and how I may have triggered it. Whether by design or by fluke, after I hit Windows X just to see if that menu was there and then hit escape, just hitting windows key brought me to the desired search box. What is the deal? Anyone know what I’m seeing and why this is happening?
Using Windows enterprise Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2130) JAWS 2022
TIA, Robin
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Curtis Chong
Hi Robin:
If the purpose of hitting Windows is to open the Start Menu search, I can suggest using Windows with the letter s instead. This is a much more consistently reliable solution, and that is what I do on my machine.
HTH
Curtis
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 9:17 AM To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io> Subject: Windows key gives two different results
Hi all, This is an uncommon issue, but baffles me when it happens, so I’m hoping one of you can enlighten me. I really don’t use the Windows menu much. My primary uses are to hit Windows key to access the search field when I need to access an app not on my desktop or taskbar. I also use the Windows key X combo to open the version of the menu that offers the “Shut down or sign out” option. I have not become adept at the menu structure since Windows 8, so there is probably a lot there. Anyway, it occasionally happens, as it did this morning, that I hit the windows key and the search field is not there. This is what I heard when I arrowed up and down in this case: All apps checked‑
I cannot figure out what this is and how I may have triggered it. Whether by design or by fluke, after I hit Windows X just to see if that menu was there and then hit escape, just hitting windows key brought me to the desired search box. What is the deal? Anyone know what I’m seeing and why this is happening?
Using Windows enterprise Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2130) JAWS 2022
TIA, Robin
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Robin,
One thing to remember is that the Windows Search availability after hitting the Windows Key is time limited, and that time is relatively short, a second or two. If you hit the Windows Key and wait beyond that period of time where typing automatically triggers Windows Search, then you're in the Windows start menu, and based on what you're describing. Try the following: 1. Hit Windows Key. 2. Hit SHIFT + TAB 3. Begin down arrowing. You will hear precisely the Start Menu items you described before. I don't know how you managed to place focus precisely where you did, as I can't get into that column of start menu items unless I hit SHIFT + TAB, but you did it somehow. WinKey + S reliably gets you the Windows Search box. I still use WinKey and type a lot myself, but if I happen to get distracted for just a second or two before starting typing I still end up "elsewhere in the start menu" but can see that this has occurred. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly. Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy. ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian |
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Mike Pietruk
Curtis
That's a neat way at getting at the search box that never occurred to me. I've always used an "r" for run but never thought of the "s". Usually, when an issue such as outlined happens to me, I initially shutdown JAWS, reopen and see if that fixes things. If that fails, a reboot normally gets things back into sync with each other. |
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Adrian Spratt
Robin,
You already have two other responses, and Windows key-s sounds promising. However, I just want to add that the windows key does seem to serve two distinct functions, at least on my computer and apparently on yours. The first time, it almost invariably brings up the kinds of options you list. All I do then is press escape followed by a second press of the windows key. Now the search field appears.
This search feature is remarkable. Suppose I recall I mentioned a name in a few documents and I want to remind myself about something specific associated with that person. Rather than go through the folders, I type that name (in quotations) into the Windows search field. I arrow down, and each document in which that name appears is listed. All I need do is press enter on the one that is most likely to give me the information I want. The drawback is that if I open the wrong document, I must start the search over again. Still, I find it tremendously efficient.
Now I should be a little more efficient, thanks to that Windows key-s modification.
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Hi all, This is an uncommon issue, but baffles me when it happens, so I’m hoping one of you can enlighten me. I really don’t use the Windows menu much. My primary uses are to hit Windows key to access the search field when I need to access an app not on my desktop or taskbar. I also use the Windows key X combo to open the version of the menu that offers the “Shut down or sign out” option. I have not become adept at the menu structure since Windows 8, so there is probably a lot there. Anyway, it occasionally happens, as it did this morning, that I hit the windows key and the search field is not there. This is what I heard when I arrowed up and down in this case: All apps checked‑
I cannot figure out what this is and how I may have triggered it. Whether by design or by fluke, after I hit Windows X just to see if that menu was there and then hit escape, just hitting windows key brought me to the desired search box. What is the deal? Anyone know what I’m seeing and why this is happening?
Using Windows enterprise Version 21H2 (OS Build 19044.2130) JAWS 2022
TIA, Robin
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 11:33 AM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
The first time, it almost invariably brings up the kinds of options you list. All I do then is press escape followed by a second press of the windows key. Now the search field appears.- Do some playing with this related to how quickly you try to type search terms. You actually just posted something I was about to say, and that's if you hit WinKey and find when you start typing that you're not in the Windows Search box just hit Escape and try again. That's doing nothing but closing the Start menu with Escape and starting the whole process again. It's not necessary, except when one's timing is off, to do this routinely. A WinKey hit with no delay in starting to type search terms should always get you into Windows Search. The only times I've seen "dropout" from that function is when there is a slight delay and the search functionality is aborted in favor of Start Menu navigation. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly. Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy. ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian |
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Mike Pietruk
Adrian
I just tried that last suggestion of yours; and typing a phrase can also bring up web results -- a sort of primitive Google or Bing search which can potentially get one needed info quickly. Amazing thread: and even more so that all of the responses to this point have come within a few minutes of Robin's question. |
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By the way, you can limit what the Windows Search is searching through using specific operators.
If you're only looking for documents/files containing something, put either files: or docs: ahead of your search terms. If only apps, put apps: ahead of your search terms. This page at MakeUseOf gives a very good synopsis in table form: Windows 10 Search Cheat Sheet: Shortcuts and Tips to Know - MUO -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly. Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy. ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian |
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Dave Durber
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Brian:
I also find that if I type in the search term too
quickly, the Windows delimiting function does not work, for example, If I type
Windows Update very quickly, the result will not be shown, so, I press ESC,
then press the WINDOWS KEY again, and type Windows Update more slowly, and hay
prestow, Windows Update appears.
Dave
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JM Casey
Yep. This is just one of the reasons why I prefer using the run command wherever possible. Haha
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Sent: November 10, 2022 02:25 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows key gives two different results
Brian:
I also find that if I type in the search term too quickly, the Windows delimiting function does not work, for example, If I type Windows Update very quickly, the result will not be shown, so, I press ESC, then press the WINDOWS KEY again, and type Windows Update more slowly, and hay prestow, Windows Update appears.
Dave
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K0LNY
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The trouble with using the run command, you need to
know the name of the executable program that launches the particular
utility.
Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: Windows key gives two different results Yep. This is just one of the reasons why I prefer using the run command wherever possible. Haha
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Dave Durber
Brian:
I also find that if I type in the search term too quickly, the Windows delimiting function does not work, for example, If I type Windows Update very quickly, the result will not be shown, so, I press ESC, then press the WINDOWS KEY again, and type Windows Update more slowly, and hay prestow, Windows Update appears.
Dave
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Van Lant, Robin
Great discussion. I’m definitely going to use the Windows S function. I never even realized that the search option times out. It seems like there are so many sections and view options in the Windows start menus now and I just haven’t learned about it. I don’t even think I would know how to power off my computer if it weren’t for the Windows X keystrokes.
Thanks to all.
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Brian:
I also find that if I type in the search term too quickly, the Windows delimiting function does not work, for example, If I type Windows Update very quickly, the result will not be shown, so, I press ESC, then press the WINDOWS KEY again, and type Windows Update more slowly, and hay prestow, Windows Update appears.
Dave
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Dave,
You need to consider the "fat-fingering factor" in there, too. I'm a decent touch typist, but there are always occasions where what I think I typed and what I actually did type are two different things. It's very easy to have typed, to follow your example, "Window sUpdate" (space between W and S at the end of Windows, and no space between S and the U of Update), as it is to have typed correctly. I've tried typing too fast after having hit WinKey, but so far I cannot reproduce the situation you describe exactly as you describe it. I've done so with fat-fingering more times than I care to count. I'll have to watch to see if I ever do get the same result you do from rushing, and rushing alone. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly. Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy. ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian |
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On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 02:41 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
It seems like there are so many sections and view options in the Windows start menus now and I just haven’t learned about it.- The layout is as much like Windows 8 as it is Windows 7. It's a marriage of the two, and that's in Windows 10 and 11. But it's really not unlike Microsoft to give many roads to proverbial Rome. Each of us has to find the one we feel is easiest to follow for us when we need to get there. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly. Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy. ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian |
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JM Casey
Yes, definitely. I hardly use the start menu at all. And the only reason I uset he desktop at all is to occasionally invoke a shortcut/hotkey for a programme. We’re all different and go about things in our own way.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 10, 2022 03:18 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows key gives two different results
On Thu, Nov 10, 2022 at 02:41 PM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045 If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly. Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy. ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian |
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JM Casey
Yeah. I don’t usually find that to be a problem. Admittedly tehre are a few that might seem a bit obscure at first, but most don’t, and it only takes a few entries to remember some of the weirder ones.
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Sent: November 10, 2022 02:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Windows key gives two different results
The trouble with using the run command, you need to know the name of the executable program that launches the particular utility. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2022 1:38 PM Subject: Re: Windows key gives two different results
Yep. This is just one of the reasons why I prefer using the run command wherever possible. Haha
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dave Durber
Brian:
I also find that if I type in the search term too quickly, the Windows delimiting function does not work, for example, If I type Windows Update very quickly, the result will not be shown, so, I press ESC, then press the WINDOWS KEY again, and type Windows Update more slowly, and hay prestow, Windows Update appears.
Dave
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Dave Durber
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Brian:
I did think about that after I posted my response.
Generally, if I catch 2 keys at the same time, which may produce 2 letters from
one key or, 2 different characters from 2 different keys, I stop and start
again.
Dave
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