moderated windows 10 update 21h1


Juan Hernandez
 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

Juan


Bill White
 

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


Madison Martin
 

I had this same issue today, I’m also having issues with my braille display but I won’t get into that since that would be off-topic. I’m just glad I have 2 other screen readers that I can turn on when I have issues with Jaws. Hopefully someone has a solution, or better yet this will be fixed in the next Jaws update whenever that gets released.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 14, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


Pat Byrne
 

not a problem here.
Pat ByrneAt 04:07 PM 7/14/2021, you wrote:

Hi All,



This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.



Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime.



If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know



Best,

Juan


Lori Lynn
 

Thanks for the posts on this subject. I got a new laptop last week. After everything was updated I started having these same issues. I thought there was something on the new laptop I needed to change, or my old brain was going nuts. I haven’t any clue as to what has caused the problem, but at least I now know I’m not alone or going nuts. And I’ve still got my old laptop for when things get too crazy.

 

Lori Lynn

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 4:23 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

I had this same issue today, I’m also having issues with my braille display but I won’t get into that since that would be off-topic. I’m just glad I have 2 other screen readers that I can turn on when I have issues with Jaws. Hopefully someone has a solution, or better yet this will be fixed in the next Jaws update whenever that gets released.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 14, 2021 4:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi, Juan. I've installed the latest update, and am not having the problem you describe.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 2:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


 

On Wed, Jul 14, 2021 at 05:07 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know
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I have no idea what version of Windows 10 you may have had before, or if you tweaked this setting, but, in any case, you need to check:

Settings, System, Multitasking Pane and check to see what the dropdown for Pressing ALT + Tab shows, is set to.  If you want conventional "old Windows" movement between open windows then you need to select, Open windows only, from the dropdown.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


ratshtron
 

I have had windows 21h1 build 19043.1081 for a while now on a new hp laptop and have not had the problem you speak of, but have lost eloquence and have to use sapi5 x64 factory to have speech.


Legend has it that on Wednesday 7/14/2021 04:07 PM, Juan Hernandez said:
----------------------------------------

Hi All,



This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.



Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn't read anything. I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it. Also, the title bars of my windows aren't reading correctly everytime.



If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know



Best,

Juan
----------------------------------------


Panagiotis Antonopoulos
 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan


David Griffith
 

When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: 15 July 2021 07:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan

 


Richard Turner
 

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

Mine was set to show the last 5 windows opened in Edge.  I’m not sure who the heck thought that was a good idea, but I set it to Open Windows Only, and set it to show only the windows in the desktop I’m using.

It is operating much more smoothly now.

I can have multiple windows open and alt-tab to whichever one I want and nothing weird so far is happening; other than it working 😊.

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2021 11:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

When I encounter this problem I sometimes find that pressing shift alt tab to work backwards through the task list works for me.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Panagiotis Antonopoulos
Sent: 15 July 2021 07:15
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi Juan/all,

All I can say is that alt-tab will either not move me at all to another window, or simply not keep more than two, if it even does so. But I still get on ok. Nothing to suggest.

                                                                Take care,

                                                                Takis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Juan Hernandez
Sent: Πέμπτη, 15 Ιουλίου 2021 00:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: windows 10 update 21h1

 

Hi All,

 

This is regarding the latest windows 10 update, 21h1.

 

Have you noticed that your alt+tabbing has become weird? I have noticed now that when I alt tab around, I often land on something that is fully quiet and Jaws doesn’t read anything.  I either have to keep hitting alt+tab, or something else like windows key to get out of it.  Also, the title bars of my windows aren’t reading correctly everytime.

 

If anyone has any tips on this new windows 10 experience with alt+tab please let me know

 

Best,

 

Juan

 


 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!
-
That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


 

Hi,

Changes to Alt+Tab behavior cema up in 20H2 with the advent of deeper integration with Chromium Edge.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

-
That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide


Richard Turner
 

Thanks Brian.

I thought it might have been you, but I got carried away deleting emails and you know how that goes…

 

Thanks very much.

 

 

 

Richard

Software means never having to say you're finished

 

Web site: www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: windows 10 update 21h1

 

On Thu, Jul 15, 2021 at 03:48 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

Thanks to whomever it was that mentioned the settings for alt-tab in Windows 10!

-
That would be me, and you're welcome.

I knew that when Microsoft introduced this particular behavior change, and made it default, it was going to be a major stumbling block for screen reader users.  There was much discussion about it on the Windows Access with Screen Readers group (formerly Win10 for Screen Reader Users) back when it first hit, and I cannot recall whether that was version 1909 or 2004.

This is one of the problems for those who end up on the "late end" of any feature update roll out cycle.  Most of the bumps get discussed in the early weeks and first several months and then the discussions fade.  By the time the late cohorts are updated much can be forgotten.  This is one reason I implore people to file specific messages about changes that they are virtually certain will affect them, eventually, even if they don't at the moment.  It makes it much quicker and easier to check your own mini-archive.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043  

It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not.

           ~ André Gide