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Kevin Meyers
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. Thanks, Kevin
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K0LNY
Hi Kevin,
One idea, which I won't use, is to use Amazon's
accessible page.
I don't like because you get less needed
information.
But, I agree, Amazon's pages because of the
cookies, is too much, it slows down my use of Amazon.
I think the link is
amazon.com/access
or
amazon.com/accessibility
Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Meyers
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:38 PM
Subject: Using Amazon
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. Thanks, Kevin
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Adrian Spratt
Kevin,
I’m on Amazon regularly. I haven’t encountered this particular problem, but there are other sinkholes there, such as Amazon’s combo boxes. Rather than arrowing through a whole webpage, I think you’d find it easier to use navigation commands, such as b for button and h for heading. In fact, those two commands get me through an Amazon webpage with speed. If I land on a button that suggests there’s something before that interests me, then I’ll up-arrow to see what’s going on. ditto h.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Kevin Meyers
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:38 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Using Amazon
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. Thanks, Kevin
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Gene Warner
From my own experiences, its the way Amazon behaves. Their number one priority is selling you stuff, so even if you try to turn all of that stuff off, as I have tried numerous times, Amazon will turn it all back on for you and blame it on cookies or a cookie problem at your end. At this point I have given up on turning all that selling stuff off and decided that it cannot be done.
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Probably the only way to truely get rid of it all is to use their site that is supposedly optimized for screen readers but is just a version of their mobile site because it too has numerous accessibility problems, and because it looks an aweful lot like their mobile app. At the end of the day the only thing I can conclude from the Amazon site is that that is the way it is, take it or leave it because Amazon is not going to change it. Gene... On 12/27/2022 2:38 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote:
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. |
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Adrian Spratt
The Amazon website couldn't be easier to use from an accessibility point of view.
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-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:48 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using Amazon From my own experiences, its the way Amazon behaves. Their number one priority is selling you stuff, so even if you try to turn all of that stuff off, as I have tried numerous times, Amazon will turn it all back on for you and blame it on cookies or a cookie problem at your end. At this point I have given up on turning all that selling stuff off and decided that it cannot be done. Probably the only way to truely get rid of it all is to use their site that is supposedly optimized for screen readers but is just a version of their mobile site because it too has numerous accessibility problems, and because it looks an aweful lot like their mobile app. At the end of the day the only thing I can conclude from the Amazon site is that that is the way it is, take it or leave it because Amazon is not going to change it. Gene... On 12/27/2022 2:38 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote: Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and |
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K0LNY
Yes on navigation controls.
If people are still just tabbing and arrowing
through web pages, they need to learn a handful of navigation keys.
Yes, Amazon's pages are fully accessible, if you
use the navigation keys, like H and B and number keys for specific heading
levels.
What is the mobile URL for Amazon's
site?
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From: Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: Using Amazon Kevin,
I’m on Amazon regularly. I haven’t encountered this particular problem, but there are other sinkholes there, such as Amazon’s combo boxes. Rather than arrowing through a whole webpage, I think you’d find it easier to use navigation commands, such as b for button and h for heading. In fact, those two commands get me through an Amazon webpage with speed. If I land on a button that suggests there’s something before that interests me, then I’ll up-arrow to see what’s going on. ditto h.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. Thanks, Kevin
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Gene Warner
Yeah it is. As long as you don't mind wading through all the unlabeled graphics, buttons, and link. Or the radio buttons that will only respond with the click of a real, not a simulated, mouse.
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I have notified Amazon of these accessibility problems and their answer has always been to use their screen reader optimized site. The problem there is that those problems exist on their supposedly screen reader optimized site too. And all of that assumes that they will even respond to your original inaccessibility notification in the first place. The only time Amazon will actually sit up and take notice is if what you report to them has a negative impact on their ability to sell stuff, beyond that, they are simply not interested. Gene... On 12/27/2022 2:49 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
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Marty Hutchings
Kevin, Try hitting the Escape key when you are in the search
field to get out of it. On 12/27/2022 1:38 PM, Kevin Meyers
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Paul Faucheux
Hi Kevin. Have you tried using quick navigation commands to get to the search box. Also have you tried insert f7 to get to your orders.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:38 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Using Amazon
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. Thanks, Kevin
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Adrian Spratt
Problem solving is more helpful than cynicism. I don't experience any of the problems you describe on the Amazon website. I do agree that the accessible version is to be avoided, in my case because in my experience accessible versions of websites tend to omit choices and information that I want.
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In my reply to Kevin, I acknowledged the existence of what I call "sinkholes" on Amazon's pages. These are the combo boxes that don't work as smoothly as they should. But these, too, can be managed. -- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using Amazon Yeah it is. As long as you don't mind wading through all the unlabeled graphics, buttons, and link. Or the radio buttons that will only respond with the click of a real, not a simulated, mouse. I have notified Amazon of these accessibility problems and their answer has always been to use their screen reader optimized site. The problem there is that those problems exist on their supposedly screen reader optimized site too. And all of that assumes that they will even respond to your original inaccessibility notification in the first place. The only time Amazon will actually sit up and take notice is if what you report to them has a negative impact on their ability to sell stuff, beyond that, they are simply not interested. Gene... On 12/27/2022 2:49 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote: The Amazon website couldn't be easier to use from an accessibility point of view. |
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Mike Pietruk
A quick way of finding your order history is use JFW's search function.
The 2nd occurrence of the word orders on your main page is the search orders history link. I realize that a lot of folks love complaining about the website Amazon has. But, if you use it frequently, pay attention to the layout, search prhases you can use in searches, and so on. JAWS works well on the Amazon site. --- |
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Bob Kennedy
I have to admit, I'm not such a strong Jaws user since my job doesn't depend on it now. I'm retired. hahaha I've used Amazon for more than 10 years now. Ordering isn't always simple but if you know how to use Jaws, there are work arounds for most problems. Some of the simple things like combo boxes for quantities can cause problems but I still get them to work. I used to think picking the right size shoes was a problem so I called the accessability line and come to find out the website was right, they just didn't come large enough for me. I know lots of people have to use a ladder to climb up on the soap box especially when it refers to large companies. Rather than ranting, just find another company to deal with. On Tuesday, December 27, 2022, 03:13:15 PM EST, Adrian Spratt <adrian@...> wrote: Problem solving is more helpful than cynicism. I don't experience any of the problems you describe on the Amazon website. I do agree that the accessible version is to be avoided, in my case because in my experience accessible versions of websites tend to omit choices and information that I want. In my reply to Kevin, I acknowledged the existence of what I call "sinkholes" on Amazon's pages. These are the combo boxes that don't work as smoothly as they should. But these, too, can be managed. -- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 3:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using Amazon Yeah it is. As long as you don't mind wading through all the unlabeled graphics, buttons, and link. Or the radio buttons that will only respond with the click of a real, not a simulated, mouse. I have notified Amazon of these accessibility problems and their answer has always been to use their screen reader optimized site. The problem there is that those problems exist on their supposedly screen reader optimized site too. And all of that assumes that they will even respond to your original inaccessibility notification in the first place. The only time Amazon will actually sit up and take notice is if what you report to them has a negative impact on their ability to sell stuff, beyond that, they are simply not interested. Gene... On 12/27/2022 2:49 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote: > The Amazon website couldn't be easier to use from an accessibility point of view. > > -- > My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook > versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library > Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:48 PM > To: main@jfw.groups.io > Subject: Re: Using Amazon > > From my own experiences, its the way Amazon behaves. Their number one priority is selling you stuff, so even if you try to turn all of that stuff off, as I have tried numerous times, Amazon will turn it all back on for you and blame it on cookies or a cookie problem at your end. At this point I have given up on turning all that selling stuff off and decided that it cannot be done. > > Probably the only way to truely get rid of it all is to use their site that is supposedly optimized for screen readers but is just a version of their mobile site because it too has numerous accessibility problems, and because it looks an aweful lot like their mobile app. > > At the end of the day the only thing I can conclude from the Amazon site is that that is the way it is, take it or leave it because Amazon is not going to change it. > > Gene... > > > On 12/27/2022 2:38 PM, Kevin Meyers wrote: >> Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and >> Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I >> will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I >> arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. >> As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab >> and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to >> see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me >> right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have >> searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to >> arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to >> show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or >> if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Kevin >> >> > > > > > > > > > |
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K0LNY
I can usually find "orders and returns" with the letter V, for visited
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links. And the letter E will take you to the edit fields. And as previously mentioned, escape closes edit fields. C for combo boxes is also a useful command on Amazon pages. Often, when I am searching for something on-line, I don't go directly to Amazon, although my intent is to buy it through Amazon. So I will search for example: amazon.com baofeng Baofeng is a brand of radio. So I get a lot of pages that are amazon pages for items from Baofeng. I use #3 with my startpage engine to jump from result to result, and enter on one that sounds promising. If it is an Amazon search results page that opens, I can jump from Amazon result to result with #2. I really think FS should use an Amazon.com page for its "surf's Up" tutorial. Maybe FS has done a new surf's up, I haven't played that for anyone in years. Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon A quick way of finding your order history is use JFW's search function. The 2nd occurrence of the word orders on your main page is the search orders history link. I realize that a lot of folks love complaining about the website Amazon has. But, if you use it frequently, pay attention to the layout, search prhases you can use in searches, and so on. JAWS works well on the Amazon site. --- |
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Andy
Personally, I find Amazon easier to use with the iphone app.
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From: "K0LNY" <glenn@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon I can usually find "orders and returns" with the letter V, for visited links. And the letter E will take you to the edit fields. And as previously mentioned, escape closes edit fields. C for combo boxes is also a useful command on Amazon pages. Often, when I am searching for something on-line, I don't go directly to Amazon, although my intent is to buy it through Amazon. So I will search for example: amazon.com baofeng Baofeng is a brand of radio. So I get a lot of pages that are amazon pages for items from Baofeng. I use #3 with my startpage engine to jump from result to result, and enter on one that sounds promising. If it is an Amazon search results page that opens, I can jump from Amazon result to result with #2. I really think FS should use an Amazon.com page for its "surf's Up" tutorial. Maybe FS has done a new surf's up, I haven't played that for anyone in years. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon A quick way of finding your order history is use JFW's search function. The 2nd occurrence of the word orders on your main page is the search orders history link. I realize that a lot of folks love complaining about the website Amazon has. But, if you use it frequently, pay attention to the layout, search prhases you can use in searches, and so on. JAWS works well on the Amazon site. --- |
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Karen Reynolds
Could you try tabbing instead of arrowing?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:38 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Using Amazon
Hello, I’m using most recent versions of windows10, Jaws 2022 and Google chrome. For the last few weeks when I’m on the Amazon site, I will be arrowing down the screen and I get to the search box. When I arrow down past the search box it will show items I have searched on in the past. As I arrow down I’m now stuck in that supposet box andWhen I’m. I tab and get out. I’m taken back to the top of the screen. I then tab to see if I can get by the list of prior search items and it takes me right back into it. This time it changes to other items I have searched on in the past. This time I can tab out and continue to arrow down. Is there a way to stop the list of prior searches not to show up? Also is there an easier way to get down to prior orders or if did a search to what is found. I’m always having to arrow past a lot of links for unnecessary stuff. Thanks, Kevin
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K0LNY
Well if there is a mobile URL, that should be able to be used in a computer
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browser, like with facebook, I usually use mbasic instead of www, but I don't know if mbasic will work with Amazon. ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy" <wq6r@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon Personally, I find Amazon easier to use with the iphone app. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "K0LNY" <glenn@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon I can usually find "orders and returns" with the letter V, for visited links. And the letter E will take you to the edit fields. And as previously mentioned, escape closes edit fields. C for combo boxes is also a useful command on Amazon pages. Often, when I am searching for something on-line, I don't go directly to Amazon, although my intent is to buy it through Amazon. So I will search for example: amazon.com baofeng Baofeng is a brand of radio. So I get a lot of pages that are amazon pages for items from Baofeng. I use #3 with my startpage engine to jump from result to result, and enter on one that sounds promising. If it is an Amazon search results page that opens, I can jump from Amazon result to result with #2. I really think FS should use an Amazon.com page for its "surf's Up" tutorial. Maybe FS has done a new surf's up, I haven't played that for anyone in years. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon A quick way of finding your order history is use JFW's search function. The 2nd occurrence of the word orders on your main page is the search orders history link. I realize that a lot of folks love complaining about the website Amazon has. But, if you use it frequently, pay attention to the layout, search prhases you can use in searches, and so on. JAWS works well on the Amazon site. --- |
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JM Casey
Amobile app is definitely a different thing, and might be better in some
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cases. Those mobile versions of websites are usually pretty crappy in my own experience even if they do at first seem to work better with screen-readers. They're often poorly maintained and things just don't work properly. Plus, so much scrolling or clicking just to see multiple pages. I think the creators just assume people on mobile platforms use apps instead, which makes sense and is something I only came round to a bit after getting a smartphone myself and realising how cumbersome the web browsing still can be on there. -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of K0LNY Sent: December 27, 2022 5:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Using Amazon Well if there is a mobile URL, that should be able to be used in a computer browser, like with facebook, I usually use mbasic instead of www, but I don't know if mbasic will work with Amazon. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy" <wq6r@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 4:06 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon Personally, I find Amazon easier to use with the iphone app. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "K0LNY" <glenn@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 1:14 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon I can usually find "orders and returns" with the letter V, for visited links. And the letter E will take you to the edit fields. And as previously mentioned, escape closes edit fields. C for combo boxes is also a useful command on Amazon pages. Often, when I am searching for something on-line, I don't go directly to Amazon, although my intent is to buy it through Amazon. So I will search for example: amazon.com baofeng Baofeng is a brand of radio. So I get a lot of pages that are amazon pages for items from Baofeng. I use #3 with my startpage engine to jump from result to result, and enter on one that sounds promising. If it is an Amazon search results page that opens, I can jump from Amazon result to result with #2. I really think FS should use an Amazon.com page for its "surf's Up" tutorial. Maybe FS has done a new surf's up, I haven't played that for anyone in years. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2022 2:33 PM Subject: Re: Using Amazon A quick way of finding your order history is use JFW's search function. The 2nd occurrence of the word orders on your main page is the search orders history link. I realize that a lot of folks love complaining about the website Amazon has. But, if you use it frequently, pay attention to the layout, search prhases you can use in searches, and so on. JAWS works well on the Amazon site. --- |
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Mike Pietruk
One of the hidden gems on Amazon is the product info.
Many products have an answered questions section where folks pose question and get answers. It is searchable, or you can go question: by question; and it's a great way of learning what products can and cannot do. I am on a couple of Echo smart speaker lists; and I see such a fear, among blind users, of not going on the web for searching or getting stuff from Amazon. Yes, you can put stuff into your Amazon shopping cart and even place orders on Amazon via Alexa. But avoiding Amazon's website is like tying your hands behind your back because the Amazon website is a treasuretrove of info even if you don't end up buying something from Amazon. Learning about JAWS is a key to success with websites; and there are so many tools to do that on lists such as this, from Freedom Scientific's website with their docs and webcasts/podcasts and 3rd parties such as Brian Hartgen who offers tutorials and courses using Jaws and software and recently a series on using Windows. Yes, and perhaps we have to spend more time learning the websites we routinely need or want to use, but, with JAWS (as I previously did with Window-Eyes), more often than not, it can be done very effectively. We perhaps need more patience than other users; and perhaps we cannot always have the same precision, but most of the time, it can be done. Repetition makes you get better and better; and so does experience and perseverance. All in all, returning to the subject of this thread, I believe that Amazon is very usable with a screen reader the great majority of the time. And that is all one can expect from any website of the complexity that Amazon.com has to be. |
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