moderated Table of Contents in Word document
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Van Lant, Robin
Hi, I have a large Word document with a Table of Contents. The items in the contents are links. My understanding is that a sighted user would hit control and left mouse click the link to jump to the relevant part of the document. So far, The only way I’ve found to do this with the keyboard is to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor on the link, then hold control and press the left mouse key button on my laptop touch pad. I thought I would be able to do it with the JAWS cursor equivalent of Control Insert and 8, but I get a message of” The active cursor must be in a ListView to use this feature.”. I am using the caps lock for my JAWS key and I don’t think I can manage the finger gymnastics to try it with the regular insert key. In laptop layout, is there any other advice to activate links in Word or is my approach the best? Maybe if I had a keyboard plugged in the numpad would work for the JAWS cursor mouse click, otherwise I’d be stuck.
JAWS 2021 and Office 365 on Windows 2010
Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank 720-304-1060
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The use of CTRL + Left Click is only for external hyperlinks, that is, that take you out of the document and open a webpage in a web browser. When you hover over those, there is actually a pop-up that tells you to hit CTRL + Left Click if you want to open the webpage.
For ToC hyperlinks, that simply relocate you in the document, "the sighted way" is just left clicking and I'd imagine screen reader way is just activating the link. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Bill White
Hi, Robin. To open a link in Word,
1. Find the link you want to open. 2. Press Applications key, or press SHIFT plus F10. 3. Arrow down to Open Hyperlink, and press ENTER. 4. This will activate the link, instead of inserting characters at the cursor.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:17 AM To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) Subject: Table of Contents in Word document
Hi, I have a large Word document with a Table of Contents. The items in the contents are links. My understanding is that a sighted user would hit control and left mouse click the link to jump to the relevant part of the document. So far, The only way I’ve found to do this with the keyboard is to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor on the link, then hold control and press the left mouse key button on my laptop touch pad. I thought I would be able to do it with the JAWS cursor equivalent of Control Insert and 8, but I get a message of” The active cursor must be in a ListView to use this feature.”. I am using the caps lock for my JAWS key and I don’t think I can manage the finger gymnastics to try it with the regular insert key. In laptop layout, is there any other advice to activate links in Word or is my approach the best? Maybe if I had a keyboard plugged in the numpad would work for the JAWS cursor mouse click, otherwise I’d be stuck.
JAWS 2021 and Office 365 on Windows 2010
Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank 720-304-1060
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Bill White
Hi again, Robin. Another way to activate a link is,
1. Press INSERT plus F7 for the links list. 2. Arrow to the link. 3. TAB to "Activate Link" and press ENTER. That's it. The link should be activated.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 9:17 AM To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) Subject: Table of Contents in Word document
Hi, I have a large Word document with a Table of Contents. The items in the contents are links. My understanding is that a sighted user would hit control and left mouse click the link to jump to the relevant part of the document. So far, The only way I’ve found to do this with the keyboard is to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor on the link, then hold control and press the left mouse key button on my laptop touch pad. I thought I would be able to do it with the JAWS cursor equivalent of Control Insert and 8, but I get a message of” The active cursor must be in a ListView to use this feature.”. I am using the caps lock for my JAWS key and I don’t think I can manage the finger gymnastics to try it with the regular insert key. In laptop layout, is there any other advice to activate links in Word or is my approach the best? Maybe if I had a keyboard plugged in the numpad would work for the JAWS cursor mouse click, otherwise I’d be stuck.
JAWS 2021 and Office 365 on Windows 2010
Robin Van Lant, Sr. Program Manager Key Equipment Finance & Key Institutional Bank 720-304-1060
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Soronel Haetir
I would also expect you to be able to route the JAWS cursor to the PC
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cursor and then use the left-click key combination (jaws+numpad /), although if you're using a laptop without a proper numpad that could likely be a pain, maybe the laptop layout offers another combination for left-click that I'm not aware of.
On 1/26/22, Bill White <billwhite92701@att.net> wrote:
Hi again, Robin. Another way to activate a link is, --
Soronel Haetir soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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Soronel Haetir
On 1/26/22, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:
I would also expect you to be able to route the JAWS cursor to the PC -- Soronel Haetir soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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douglas richard dexheimer
this message appears to be a double-post or duplicate sent at same time as previous, no new material anywhere below. it begins with "on [date]" like a reply or forward, with no new material above that line or below the thread of earlier emails.
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On 1/26/2022 11:39 AM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
On 1/26/22, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@gmail.com> wrote:I would also expect you to be able to route the JAWS cursor to the PC
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Van Lant, Robin
Bill, While JAWS announces these internal document links as Links, I'm not getting the Open hyperlink option when I hit the applications key. I get the following, which gives us a clue that the actual coding is a field, not a link:
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Cut Unavailable Copy Unavailable Update Field Edit Field... Toggle Field Codes Font... Paragraph... Block Authors The good news is that your idea of using the Links list dialog box did work correctly I would have sworn that I tried that earlier without luck, but it is working. Thanks for reminding me that that is an option in Word.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2022 10:40 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Table of Contents in Word document WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. I would also expect you to be able to route the JAWS cursor to the PC cursor and then use the left-click key combination (jaws+numpad /), although if you're using a laptop without a proper numpad that could likely be a pain, maybe the laptop layout offers another combination for left-click that I'm not aware of. On 1/26/22, Bill White <billwhite92701@att.net> wrote: Hi again, Robin. Another way to activate a link is, -- Soronel Haetir soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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Soronel Haetir
Douglas,
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The first one contains what I meant to say (and at least in what GMail shows me does in fact contain my message), the second one was me accidentally hitting "send" on an empty edit field instead of the "Archive" button. In case the first did not in fact come through for others what I said is that I would expect "route Jaws to PC cursor" followed by the usual left-click key combo (for me jaws+numpad /) to activate such an embedded link.
On 1/26/22, douglas richard dexheimer <drichardd@earthlink.net> wrote:
this message appears to be a double-post or duplicate sent at same time --
Soronel Haetir soronel.haetir@gmail.com
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David Kingsbury
All you need to do is to hit Enter on the link. No need to do any fancy JAWS cursor stuff or use the applications key to find the open hyperlink.
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Van Lant, Robin
David, You had to best us all! As long as I arrow one or two characters into the link, your simple method works correctly. Can’t believe I didn’t try this before.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
David Kingsbury
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:35 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Table of Contents in Word document
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All you need to do is to hit Enter on the link. No need to do any fancy JAWS cursor stuff or use the applications key to find the open hyperlink. KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Sharon S
Hi, if it is an editable document you need to turn the quick keys on first. You do this by pressing jaws key + z. Then the links will work if you hit enter on them.
Hope this helps. From Shaz. Canberra, Australia.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
Sent: Friday, 28 January 2022 2:35 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Table of Contents in Word document
All you need to do is to hit Enter on the link. No need to do any fancy JAWS cursor stuff or use the applications key to find the open hyperlink.
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:35 AM, David Kingsbury wrote:
All you need to do is to hit Enter on the link.- Thank you. I said, all the way back in message #95231, ". . . screen reader way is just activating the link." I didn't have a file with a ToC to do any quick tests, but I've worked with many of these with clients over the years. Hyperlinks that are used "within document" to shoot you to "the correct location" for that link just get activated and they shoot you there. That's whether they're in a ToC or elsewhere embedded in the text. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Van Lant, Robin
Hi Brian, I think I was thrown off by your original email as it referenced external hyperlinks and I found that, if you don’t arrow into the link first, hitting enter just pushes the hyperlink to the next line in an editable document. In the case of the Table of Contents, I hear an error sound unless I arrow into the link. I wonder where the holding Control key came from. I’ve been a Word user so long that it was probably some long gone requirement.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 9:42 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Table of Contents in Word document
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 10:35 AM, David Kingsbury wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019 KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:56 AM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
I wonder where the holding Control key came from.- Robin, I can't say where anything actually came from, but this is not new. If a hyperlink in a document is for an external webpage, you must hit CTRL + Click (or its equivalent) to activate it once you have focus on it. For what I'll call "navigation hyperlinks" that move you around inside a document, the use of CTRL has never been necessary. If you're sighted, you just click on the link. If you're using a screen reader, you make sure the link is selected (which is probably what's happening when you are moving into the link text) and activate it. I'm sure that whether a given link both has focus and is selected is directly dependent on how you have your screen reader settings configured. I can't remember where these would be or what they're called in JAWS, but in NVDA if you configure it such that it doesn't automatically switch from browse to focus mode when you land on a control, then landing on the control does not select it, so activating it does nothing. One of the things I have the greatest difficulty explaining, and in both directions, is that a left click on something simultaneously selects and activates when the thing clicked on has an associated action. In a screen reader, selection and activation are two separate things, very often performed (in that order) in rapid succession, but just gaining focus on something, and even selecting it, does not activate it. But if you mouse (left) click on something with an actual mouse selection and activation both occur through that one action. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Bill White
Hi, David. I believe you are wrong, when you say that all you need do is to hit Enter on the hyperlink. When in Word, this will edit the link.
Bill White
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
All you need to do is to hit Enter on the link. No need to do any fancy JAWS cursor stuff or use the applications key to find the open hyperlink.
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On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 12:50 PM, Bill White wrote:
I believe you are wrong, when you say that all you need do is to hit Enter on the hyperlink. When in Word, this will edit the link.- And I believe you are incorrect. And hitting Enter on a number of links in a document several seconds ago shows that to be so. I have a document with many links that download various files. Hitting Enter when on any of them causes the Save dialog for that file to come up, which I'm cancelling. Hyperlinks are edited by gaining focus and hitting CTRL + K. Heaven knows how many times I've had to do this, but it's in the thousands by now. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019
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Van Lant, Robin
Bill, I thought David was wrong, too, but once I arrow into the link even one character, hitting return is opening the link. I’m with you that I could have sworn this was not the case in the past and it would just have put a line break in the middle of the link, but that is not happening. If I don’t arrow into the link first, Word does bump the link to the next line when I hit Enter. I am pleasantly surprised. On a related note, Now, if I start typing while in the middle of the link, it does add characters, but the Enter key open the link.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 10:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Table of Contents in Word document
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
Hi, David. I believe you are wrong, when you say that all you need do is to hit Enter on the hyperlink. When in Word, this will edit the link.
Bill White
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main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io]
On Behalf Of David Kingsbury
All you need to do is to hit Enter on the link. No need to do any fancy JAWS cursor stuff or use the applications key to find the open hyperlink. KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Van Lant, Robin
Brian, Navigation on an iPhone is a good way for me to think about your point. If VoiceOver is running and my sighted family members try to tap on a button for me, they usually forget that they have to first touch the button once to bring focus to that button before invoking the action with the tap.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 10:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Table of Contents in Word document
WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.
On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:56 AM, Van Lant, Robin wrote:
- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Science has become just another voice in the room; it has lost its platform. Now, you simply declare your own truth. ~ Dr. Paul A. Offit, in New York Times article, How Anti-Vaccine Sentiment Took Hold in the United States, September 23, 2019 KeyCorp Public This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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HH. Smith Jr.
Hi,
I just performed the same task that I was taught to write my college papers.
HH
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