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moderated synthesizer versus voice


David Diamond
 

Some of the voices recorded by humans, sound a little off too.  One of the female U S voices sounds like she is having a bad day all the time and needs to chill out as they say.  I guess it all comes down to what you prefer. I heard an interview of the woman who does the Australian voice, Karen and she went into great detail as to what was involved in creating that screen reader voice for JAWS or IOS devices. The voice got named after her real name, Karen.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Eliquence sounds like it has a cold sometimes.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Glenn / Lenny
 


Sometimes, as odd as it may sound, people's voice sounds right for their voice.
Just as sometimes people's appearance match their name.
 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

Some of the voices recorded by humans, sound a little off too.  One of the female U S voices sounds like she is having a bad day all the time and needs to chill out as they say.  I guess it all comes down to what you prefer. I heard an interview of the woman who does the Australian voice, Karen and she went into great detail as to what was involved in creating that screen reader voice for JAWS or IOS devices. The voice got named after her real name, Karen.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Eliquence sounds like it has a cold sometimes.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


David Diamond
 

I think it is the way they are hearing words with o u in them.  Last night she was telling me about a U S gentleman that pronounced house as huse.  Thus, she wanted me to pronounce it the same way.  People are quirky at times.  ?A lady in the UK told me she did not want to talk to me via the phone because she got hurt by a man in the U S and couldn’t stand to hear another U S voice.  I always thought Canadians had a different sounding voice then the U S? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I'm in the U.S. and I've never even heard that used before.

I live in the mid-west.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

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I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


JM Casey
 

Yeah…accents kind of ebb and flow and they don’t really regard physical borders, but are influenced by everything in the cultural environment. I happen to think people just across the lake in Rochester NY (Raachster) sound really different/distinctive, but to my friend in Mousouri, they sound “Canadian”, too. And of course we have many Canadian regional accents as well just in the english-speaking areas…martime (newfoundland in particular) being perhaps the most instantly recognisable.

 

Shame about your uK friend though. Jeez…

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 22, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I think it is the way they are hearing words with o u in them.  Last night she was telling me about a U S gentleman that pronounced house as huse.  Thus, she wanted me to pronounce it the same way.  People are quirky at times.  ?A lady in the UK told me she did not want to talk to me via the phone because she got hurt by a man in the U S and couldn’t stand to hear another U S voice.  I always thought Canadians had a different sounding voice then the U S? 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I'm in the U.S. and I've never even heard that used before.

I live in the mid-west.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


JM Casey
 

I know that the Daniel UK voice is created from the “blueprints” of an actor’s voice..Jonathan somethingorother (can’t recall).

 

For a good time, try the Kate (UK) voice and write out “Hey! How’s it going?” or something liket aht

She sounds so enthusiastic she squeaks…

You  have to get the exclamation mark in there after a single preparatory word though.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 22, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Some of the voices recorded by humans, sound a little off too.  One of the female U S voices sounds like she is having a bad day all the time and needs to chill out as they say.  I guess it all comes down to what you prefer. I heard an interview of the woman who does the Australian voice, Karen and she went into great detail as to what was involved in creating that screen reader voice for JAWS or IOS devices. The voice got named after her real name, Karen.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Eliquence sounds like it has a cold sometimes.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Loy
 


The female voice used by bookshare audio is pretty good.

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2020 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

I know that the Daniel UK voice is created from the “blueprints” of an actor’s voice..Jonathan somethingorother (can’t recall).

 

For a good time, try the Kate (UK) voice and write out “Hey! How’s it going?” or something liket aht

She sounds so enthusiastic she squeaks…

You  have to get the exclamation mark in there after a single preparatory word though.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: September 22, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Some of the voices recorded by humans, sound a little off too.  One of the female U S voices sounds like she is having a bad day all the time and needs to chill out as they say.  I guess it all comes down to what you prefer. I heard an interview of the woman who does the Australian voice, Karen and she went into great detail as to what was involved in creating that screen reader voice for JAWS or IOS devices. The voice got named after her real name, Karen.    

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Pastor Gil Pries
Sent: September 21, 2020 3:44 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Eliquence sounds like it has a cold sometimes.

 

Pastor Gil

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 3:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


JM Casey
 

Not saying it is, of course, but if it 8was* your own regional accent that was being talked about, you wouldn’t really be aware of it and how it sounds to others as to you it’d just be the default state of speaking. When  people from other parts talk about the accent they hear and especially attempt to imitate what they are hearing, what comes out tends to be an exaggeration or caricature. This is why in early drama school and such they tell you not to try putting on accents when attempting to play a character., Some people do get really good at it (See Peter Sellers for instance, thougha s a comic actor exaggeration was also one of his things).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: September 21, 2020 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I'm in the U.S. and I've never even heard that used before.

I live in the mid-west.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


JM Casey
 

I hear that. I’m not one of those people but if I’m using eloquence I still set the rate at about 50%, which is too fast for most non-screen-reader users to understand. I probably won’t go faster as I have some hearing issues…everything always sounds loud enough but deciphering fast speech, certain types of accents, or having conversations in a crowded place where everyone is talking can be difficult for me – and many go way faster than I do when it comes to their speech output. I use braille most of the time now and only turn on speech once in a while.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 6:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 06:10 PM, JM Casey wrote:

These more human sounding voices were not meant to be used at the fast rates many blind people listen to synthesised speech.

-
And knowing some of those blind people, I still cannot comprehend how they comprehend what they're hearing.  Clearly they do, but my head (auditory processing, in particular) reels at the speech rate that some of my clients routinely use for themselves.  I have on more than one occasion had to ask someone I was tutoring on something new to them in the screen reader to greatly reduce the speed so that I could be sure that what I expected to hear was what I was indeed hearing!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


David Diamond
 

There is an actress in the U S who even when speaking French in a movie where she was supposed to be from France, still sounded like an American trying to speak French. The words themselves were correct just, not the proper pronunciation of the words. Somewhat like some languages roll their Rs in some of the words, not rolling them you still can tell what the person is trying to say, just they are not rolling their Rs the way that culture and language does.    

Most of the eloquence voices such as rocko, gramma etc. all that is being done is the pitch is being changed.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: September 22, 2020 12:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Not saying it is, of course, but if it 8was* your own regional accent that was being talked about, you wouldn’t really be aware of it and how it sounds to others as to you it’d just be the default state of speaking. When  people from other parts talk about the accent they hear and especially attempt to imitate what they are hearing, what comes out tends to be an exaggeration or caricature. This is why in early drama school and such they tell you not to try putting on accents when attempting to play a character., Some people do get really good at it (See Peter Sellers for instance, thougha s a comic actor exaggeration was also one of his things).

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: September 21, 2020 8:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I'm in the U.S. and I've never even heard that used before.

I live in the mid-west.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Hahah…it’s all relative; Canadians don’t say “aboot” either.

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: September 21, 2020 5:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

Sorry, but people in the United states do not say “aboot” unless they happen to live very close to the Canadian border.

I’m not sure why that is, but the vast majority of people here in the U.S. say about, not aboot.

 

IN fact, most U.S. natives make fun of the Canadians for saying aboot.

 

 

 

Richard

"He that cannot forgive others breaks the bridge over which he must pass himself,” and we forget that only grace can break the cycle of ancient hatreds among peoples. (It is notable that while I have regretted not granting grace to others, I’ve never once regretted extending it.)" - Edward Herbert

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 1:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

I was chatting with someone from New Zealand and she told me some of her compatriots were mimicking the  U S accent. Thus it is not just the screen reader voices, it is Different nations voices.  Example, apparently Canadians and United States persons say aboot instead of about, according to the woman in N Z.   

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: September 21, 2020 9:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: synthesizer versus voice

 

On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 11:20 PM, JM Casey wrote:

and this "uncanny valley" aspect is probably already nonexistent for some people.

-
I'd be one of those people, at least for certain voices under certain synthesizers.

It also really depends on just precisely what is being said.  There are voices that, to me, are "virtual perfection" in mimicking human speech until you get to one specific word that's seldom used or an inflection.  But even then, what sounds "normal" to me may very well sound "weird" to someone else.  One experiences that sensation quite often when listening to different human speakers.  (And I'm ignoring "as a second language" issues and regional accents for that sensation.)
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss