moderated Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws


Tom Behler
 

Hello, everyone, one more time.

 

Today must be my day for Jaws-related questions.

 

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

 

Interestingly, this is the first time I have seen this vehavior, and I don’t see it with several PDF files that I recently converted.

 

I wonder if it is something with the file itself.

 

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

 

Thanks for putting up with all my quiries today.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 


Van Lant, Robin
 

Shot in the dark here, but could it be that you have the paragraph symbols turn on in that document?  I’m not sure if they would show up if you then converted to PDF.  I’ve accidentally turned them on in the past.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:10 PM
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Subject: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

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Hello, everyone, one more time.

 

Today must be my day for Jaws-related questions.

 

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

 

Interestingly, this is the first time I have seen this vehavior, and I don’t see it with several PDF files that I recently converted.

 

I wonder if it is something with the file itself.

 

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

 

Thanks for putting up with all my quiries today.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 



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Tom Behler
 

Interestingly, I get the MC-REF graphic designation in the PDF document, but not in the Word file.

 

And, even more interesting, I sent the PDF to a sighted person, and they said the file looks absolutely fine.

 

So, once again, I’m not sure why I’m getting the MC-REF graphic designation for this particular PDF document.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

Shot in the dark here, but could it be that you have the paragraph symbols turn on in that document?  I’m not sure if they would show up if you then converted to PDF.  I’ve accidentally turned them on in the past.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

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Hello, everyone, one more time.

 

Today must be my day for Jaws-related questions.

 

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

 

Interestingly, this is the first time I have seen this vehavior, and I don’t see it with several PDF files that I recently converted.

 

I wonder if it is something with the file itself.

 

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

 

Thanks for putting up with all my quiries today.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 



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Adrian Spratt
 

Tom,

 

In light of your exchange with Robin, it does sound as though some code has crept into the document that JAWS doesn’t verbalize in Word but does do so when it’s a PDF. In a case like this, I’d be tempted to go back to the original Word file, copy the contents into Notepad, then copy them into a blank Word document. Then I’d redo the PDF conversion. That process usually eliminates unwanted codes and verbalizations.

 

It would depend on how accurate you want the file to be in terms of formatting, etc.

 

--

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

Interestingly, I get the MC-REF graphic designation in the PDF document, but not in the Word file.

 

And, even more interesting, I sent the PDF to a sighted person, and they said the file looks absolutely fine.

 

So, once again, I’m not sure why I’m getting the MC-REF graphic designation for this particular PDF document.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

Shot in the dark here, but could it be that you have the paragraph symbols turn on in that document?  I’m not sure if they would show up if you then converted to PDF.  I’ve accidentally turned them on in the past.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

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Hello, everyone, one more time.

 

Today must be my day for Jaws-related questions.

 

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

 

Interestingly, this is the first time I have seen this vehavior, and I don’t see it with several PDF files that I recently converted.

 

I wonder if it is something with the file itself.

 

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

 

Thanks for putting up with all my quiries today.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 



KeyCorp Public

KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. prohibits the use of texts or other unapproved messaging applications for business purposes.

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy.

This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

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Tom Behler
 

Adrian:

 

Well, I actually still have the original Word document which reads fine.

 

I was converting it to a PDF file for an individual who can’t accept Microsoft Word documents, which is why I did the conversion.

 

I guess I was just surprised at the extra Jaws verbeage that crept into the PDF document once it had been converted from Word.

 

Apparently, the visual characteristics of the file were not changed in any way.

 

Tonm Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adrian Spratt
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 7:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

Tom,

 

In light of your exchange with Robin, it does sound as though some code has crept into the document that JAWS doesn’t verbalize in Word but does do so when it’s a PDF. In a case like this, I’d be tempted to go back to the original Word file, copy the contents into Notepad, then copy them into a blank Word document. Then I’d redo the PDF conversion. That process usually eliminates unwanted codes and verbalizations.

 

It would depend on how accurate you want the file to be in terms of formatting, etc.

 

--

My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

Interestingly, I get the MC-REF graphic designation in the PDF document, but not in the Word file.

 

And, even more interesting, I sent the PDF to a sighted person, and they said the file looks absolutely fine.

 

So, once again, I’m not sure why I’m getting the MC-REF graphic designation for this particular PDF document.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 6:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

Shot in the dark here, but could it be that you have the paragraph symbols turn on in that document?  I’m not sure if they would show up if you then converted to PDF.  I’ve accidentally turned them on in the past.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 3:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.

 

Hello, everyone, one more time.

 

Today must be my day for Jaws-related questions.

 

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

 

Interestingly, this is the first time I have seen this vehavior, and I don’t see it with several PDF files that I recently converted.

 

I wonder if it is something with the file itself.

 

Any thoughts on this issue would be appreciated.

 

Thanks for putting up with all my quiries today.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler From Michigan

 



KeyCorp Public

KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. prohibits the use of texts or other unapproved messaging applications for business purposes.

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy.

This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A.

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On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 05:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

-
Try a different conversion method other than the Save as PDF in MS-Word itself.  Windows has Microsoft Save as PDF as a virtual printer, as a starting point.  And it's entirely possible that printing that file using that virtual printer will give you a different result.  There are also quite a few third party virtual printers to PDF.  One that I use frequently is PDFCreator (it is free).

Every PDF converter seems to put its own spin, no matter how slight, on the final product.  When one results in an unacceptable result, try another.  And since many of these are virtual printers, accessibility is very seldom an issue (except, perhaps, for installing the virtual printer in the first place).
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Tom Behler
 

Thanks, Brian.

 

I will do this.

 

Tom Behler

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Strange PDF Conversion Issue Involving Jaws

 

On Thu, Oct 13, 2022 at 05:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

I just converted a Microsoft Word document to a PDF file, and used Adobe Acrobat DC to read the file.  Jaws keeps saying “MC-ref graphic” between each line of the file.

 

I have no idea what this means, and how to get rid of it.

-
Try a different conversion method other than the Save as PDF in MS-Word itself.  Windows has Microsoft Save as PDF as a virtual printer, as a starting point.  And it's entirely possible that printing that file using that virtual printer will give you a different result.  There are also quite a few third party virtual printers to PDF.  One that I use frequently is PDFCreator (it is free).

Every PDF converter seems to put its own spin, no matter how slight, on the final product.  When one results in an unacceptable result, try another.  And since many of these are virtual printers, accessibility is very seldom an issue (except, perhaps, for installing the virtual printer in the first place).
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

As an aside, if anyone would like to give PDFCreator Free a try, they just put out a new version, which I was alerted to just this afternoon.  As noted, this software creates a virtual printer where you "print" any given file and it will be converted to a PDF.  If that file is something like an MS-Word document the text will be a part of the resulting PDF.

The direct download link is: https://download.pdfforge.org/download/pdfcreator/PDFCreator-stable?download

During the install, decline PDFArchitect by unchecking the checkbox for it when you reach the dialog where it's asked whether you wish to install it.  Like most free software, they bundle (a practice I find loathsome, but that ship has sailed).  And for people who want some automated assistance in avoiding bundled sofware that comes with the free stuff you want, take a look at Unchecky, which while not 100% effective, works very well.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore