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It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
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On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the self
voicing feature has been removed. So what?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the program
itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it was
even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would have
been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems? I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update. Do you have a problem with that? Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote: Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
Gene...
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On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote: No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?' Gene... On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote: No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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I guess I don't understand, if it didn't matter to you, why even bother to chime into the conversation?
Gene...
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On 7/28/2022 10:51 AM, Michael Massey wrote: No, I said so what because it doesn't matter to me that the self-voicing feature has been removed.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
You must have had a problem with it or you wouldn't have asked 'so what?'
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:36 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
No, I cannot claim to be savy enough to get myself out of a jam. No, I do not have a problem with that. I am not going to comment any further.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
It's very simple, while JAWS is running the update installer is going to run into file in use conflicts that it then has to configure wWindows to take care during the next reboot. Most of the time this process works as expected and you are good to go, but what happens when it doesn't? Are you savvy enough to figure out what you need to do to fix the problems?
I'm not. So I prefer to exit JAWS so that the update will encounter fewer, if any, file in use conflicts so it can update all the files it needs to. I find that doing that avoids a lot of possibilities for problems to occur and makes for a much smoother update.
Do you have a problem with that?
Gene...
On 7/28/2022 10:22 AM, Michael Massey wrote:
Hi all. I had no trouble downloading and installing the latest Jaws update.
I have been using Eloquence since I migrated from Window-eyes to Jaws.
Eloquence guided me through the download and installation on one my
computers while I used the check for updates on the other computer.
Narrator was not needed. I am with Mike regarding the fact that the
self voicing feature has been removed. So what?
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike
Pietruk
Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2022 8:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: strange issue when checking for Jaws updates
Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if
it was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers,
would have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who,
quite obviously, most are not exactly computer sophisticated.
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I got a response from Freedom Scientific about the installer voice. They said that because the installer voice was actual recordings taking them out reduced the size of the installer significantly. There was also the logistics involved in recording the messages in all the languages they supported.
Both reasons, installer size and the availability of Narrator, as reasons for taking the installer voice out make sense.
Gene...
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On 7/28/2022 10:12 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote: Gene
To me, it's irrelevant whether the change was announced or not.
Most folks expect that an update to a program can be handled by the
program itself.
It may have been aanounced somewhere or in some way, but probably, if it
was even mentioned somewhere, few, if any users or new customers, would
have been aware.
And it adds an extra layer of inconvenience for an average user who, quite
obviously, most are not exactly computer
sophisticated.
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