moderated stop update


meow meow
 

hi Rosie here...
window 11 and jaws 22
how can I stop window update itself?
thanks
 


Gene Warner
 

This will disable the Windows update service so that Windows will not be able to detect, download, or install any updates.

1. Press the Windows key to bring up the search box.
2. Type in "services" without the quotes, then press Enter, this will open the services manager.
3. Press tab to get over to the list of services.
4. Press W to get down to the services beginning with W.
5. Down arrow until you get to the service named "Windows update", then press Enter to open the service properties dialog.
6. Press tab until you get to the startup type drop down list, then down arros to disabled.
7. Press Enter to save the change, then restart Windows.

Windows update is now disabled.

Should you ever want to re enable Windows update, repeat the above steps but at step 6 you will want to select manual as the startup type.

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 3:52 PM, meow meow wrote:
hi Rosie here...
window 11 and jaws 22
how can I stop window update itself?
thanks


meow meow
 

thanks you so much I hope I did it and did exacly follow what u said thenks again
do u know how to setting up when I close the lid and it shut down right away?

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From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:13 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: stop update

This will disable the Windows update service so that Windows will not be able to detect, download, or install any updates.

1. Press the Windows key to bring up the search box.
2. Type in "services" without the quotes, then press Enter, this will open the services manager.
3. Press tab to get over to the list of services.
4. Press W to get down to the services beginning with W.
5. Down arrow until you get to the service named "Windows update", then press Enter to open the service properties dialog.
6. Press tab until you get to the startup type drop down list, then down arros to disabled.
7. Press Enter to save the change, then restart Windows.

Windows update is now disabled.

Should you ever want to re enable Windows update, repeat the above steps but at step 6 you will want to select manual as the startup type.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 3:52 PM, meow meow wrote:
hi Rosie here...
window 11 and jaws 22
how can I stop window update itself?
thanks




 

It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10 and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason.  It wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10 and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason.  It wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

I don't have a step by step guide for you, but I can tell you that the place where you can set that up is in power management, there is a link called some like "addition al power options" that allows you to tell Windows what to do if you do things like close the lid on your laptop.

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 4:52 PM, meow meow wrote:
thanks you so much I hope I did it and did exacly follow what u said thenks again
do u know how to setting up when I close the lid and it shut down right away?
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 2:13 PM
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: stop update

This will disable the Windows update service so that Windows will not be able to detect, download, or install any updates.

1. Press the Windows key to bring up the search box.
2. Type in "services" without the quotes, then press Enter, this will open the services manager.
3. Press tab to get over to the list of services.
4. Press W to get down to the services beginning with W.
5. Down arrow until you get to the service named "Windows update", then press Enter to open the service properties dialog.
6. Press tab until you get to the startup type drop down list, then down arros to disabled.
7. Press Enter to save the change, then restart Windows.

Windows update is now disabled.

Should you ever want to re enable Windows update, repeat the above steps but at step 6 you will want to select manual as the startup type.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 3:52 PM, meow meow wrote:
hi Rosie here...
window 11 and jaws 22
how can I stop window update itself?
thanks





David Diamond
 

for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to control every single thing

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: stop update
 
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
> It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10
> and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason.  It
> wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
> --
>
> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
>
> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. 
> If you’re alive, it isn’t.
> *     ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>






Gene Warner
 

It will be very interesting to see your thoughts on the subject do a very quick 180 after you've had to deal with an update that does major harm to your system that you can't stop from being installed except to disable the update service.

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 7:54 PM, David Diamond wrote:
for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to control every single thing
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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: stop update
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.
Gene...
On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10 and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason.  It wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 07:49 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to stop the update service they must have a good reason.
-
Gene,

I can count on less than two hands, in my entire time in the computing industry, where an update has done more harm than good.  The "bad update" as a common thing was always a figment of the imagination, and even when they occurred, and they did on rare occasion, the patch fixes were usually very prompt.

This was before the age of Windows as a Service, where updates are not pushed out to all the world in one fell swoop, but initially in small sized cohorts, telemetry monitored, with each successive cohort getting larger until Microsoft is confident that it can go out to "the rest of the world."  Most bad updates get stopped in their tracks quite early these days, and fixed before they ever make it to the majority of machines.

So I cannot share your confidence that most who want to block updates have good reasons.  My experience and observation suggests precisely the opposite, where an end user believes they know better than the very entity that invented and maintains the operating system they use.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 07:52 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
power management, there is a link called some like "addition al power options" that allows you to tell Windows what to do if you do things like close the lid on your laptop.
-
1. Open Control Panel.
2. Activate Power Options
3. Activate the Choose what closing the lid does link
4. Make your choices from the dropdowns under the On Battery and Plugged in categories.
5. Hit the Save Changes button.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

The problem with your line of thinking is that the very entity that created the update and the system being updated cannot test it against all possible configurations, and there will always be configurations that updates will not work with and so cause serious problems for the end user.

I never have and never will believe that automatic updates that the end user has no control over when needed is ever a good idea.

Anyone who thinks that Microsoft or Apple or any other company knows everything and can be trusted to always put out well behaved updates is either very naive or simply don't care enough about the health of their system to be bothered. In which case you will eventually get what you deserve.

I would love it if I didn't have to be concerned about what Microsoft pushes out, but even in the past few years there have been several times when Microsoft has had to withdraw an update to Windows because of the wide spread problems it creates. So I always do a full system backup on the Monday before each patch Tuesday, and pray that Microsoft gets it right this time.

Gene...

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 8:03 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 07:49 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants
to stop the update service they must have a good reason.
-
Gene,
I can count on less than two hands, in my entire time in the computing industry, where an update has done more harm than good.  The "bad update" as a common thing was always a figment of the imagination, and even when they occurred, and they did on rare occasion, the patch fixes were usually very prompt.
This was before the age of Windows as a Service, where updates are not pushed out to all the world in one fell swoop, but initially in small sized cohorts, telemetry monitored, with each successive cohort getting larger until Microsoft is confident that it can go out to "the rest of the world."  Most bad updates get stopped in their tracks quite early these days, and fixed before they ever make it to the majority of machines.
So I cannot share your confidence that most who want to block updates have good reasons.  My experience and observation suggests precisely the opposite, where an end user believes they know better than the very entity that invented and maintains the operating system they use.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 08:19 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
I never have and never will believe that automatic updates that the end user has no control over when needed is ever a good idea.
-
And having had to pick up the smoldering ashes, many times, of systems that were brought to that state by refusal to apply updates, we shall never agree.

I believe the people who create and maintain operating systems, all of them, know far more than you do or I do.  And someone now retired who was a BSOD expert on a forum I once frequented said it best, and is the final word for me:


There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.

        ~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/

--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Loy
 

I have never had a Windows update mess up my Windows OS, except when I tried Windows Insider for a while and one of those updates messed up the OS. After that I got out of the Windows Insider.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: stop update

for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to control every single thing

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: stop update
 
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
> It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10
> and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason.  It
> wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
> --
>
> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
>
> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. 
> If you’re alive, it isn’t.
> *     ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>






Howard Traxler
 

Well, it's my computer!  I think that means it's mine to do with as I wish; or to not do with as I don't wish.

On 8/28/2022 7:26 PM, Loy wrote:

I have never had a Windows update mess up my Windows OS, except when I tried Windows Insider for a while and one of those updates messed up the OS. After that I got out of the Windows Insider.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: stop update

for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to control every single thing

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: stop update
 
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
> It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10
> and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason.  It
> wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
> --
>
> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
>
> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. 
> If you’re alive, it isn’t.
> *     ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>






 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 08:29 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Well, it's my computer!  I think that means it's mine to do with as I wish; or to not do with as I don't wish.
-
No one has argued that point.  It's absolutely true.

But that's a completely separate issue from the wisdom (or lack thereof) of refusing to allow updates to apply.

Actions and inactions have consequences.  And when it comes to OS updates, almost invariably the consequences of failing to apply them, when they eventually occur, are serious through catastrophic.  So if you choose to turn automatic updating off, that result should be expected, sooner or later.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

I' going to laugh when you go to turn on your computer after an automatic update and you find that you have a very fancy boat anchor. And I have never had a system stop working because some update wasn't applied, but can't begin to count the number of times I've had to rescue a system from a badly behaving update.

I have been working with computers, maintaining and repairing them since 1980, so I do believe I know what I'm talking about and that I am speaking from lots of experience.

I'm not going to argue the point any more so you can stop posting, I will just delete any further responses without reading them.

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 8:23 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 08:19 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
I never have and never will believe that automatic updates that the
end user has no control over when needed is ever a good idea.
-
And having had to pick up the smoldering ashes, many times, of systems that were brought to that state by refusal to apply updates, we shall never agree.
I believe the people who create and maintain operating systems, all of them, know far more than you do or I do.  And someone now retired who was a BSOD expert on a forum I once frequented said it best, and is the final word for me:
There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . .  It's important to install /*_all_*/ available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates.  There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.
        ~ John Carrona, AKA *usasma* <https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/u/35824/usasma/> on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/ <http://www.carrona.org/>
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 08:34 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
I'm not going to argue the point any more so you can stop posting, I will just delete any further responses without reading them.
-
As I said earlier.  A word to the wise is sufficient.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

At the end of the day, exactly! It is my computer, not Microsoft's, it is my right to choose what goes on it and what does not.

Gene...

On 8/28/2022 8:29 PM, Howard Traxler wrote:
Well, it's my computer!  I think that means it's mine to do with as I wish; or to not do with as I don't wish.
On 8/28/2022 7:26 PM, Loy wrote:
I have never had a Windows update mess up my Windows OS, except when I tried Windows Insider for a while and one of those updates messed up the OS. After that I got out of the Windows Insider.

----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Diamond <mailto:Daviddiamond2019@...>
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 7:54 PM
*Subject:* Re: stop update

for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my
opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to
control every single thing

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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene
Warner <genewarner3@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: stop update
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone
wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
> It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service
(Windows 10
> and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any
reason.  It
> wasn't a great idea in the past, either.  A word to the wise is
sufficient.
> --
>
> Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
>
> *Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
complete.
> If you’re alive, it isn’t.
> *     ~ Lauren Bacall
>
>





Loy
 

Well, How do you determan which updates to install or not to install?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: stop update


It will be very interesting to see your thoughts on the subject do a very quick 180 after you've had to deal with an update that does major harm to your system that you can't stop from being installed except to disable the update service.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:54 PM, David Diamond wrote:
for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to control every single thing

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: stop update
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10 and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason. It wasn't a great idea in the past, either. A word to the wise is sufficient.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall








Fred
 

I bet I could... your name in the sand!

On 8/28/2022 8:45 PM, Loy wrote:
Well, How do you determan which updates  to install or not to install?



----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2022 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: stop update


It will be very interesting to see your thoughts on the subject do a very quick 180 after you've had to deal with an update that does major harm to your system that you can't stop from being installed except to disable the update service.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:54 PM, David Diamond wrote:
for what it's worth, people to prevent automatic updates, in my opinion, have serious control issues. In other words they want to control every single thing

Get Outlook for iOS <https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
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*From:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Gene Warner <genewarner3@...>
*Sent:* Sunday, August 28, 2022 4:49:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: stop update
On principle, I agree; however, having been a victim of automatic
updates that do more harm than good, I figure that if someone wants to
stop the update service they must have a good reason.

Gene...


On 8/28/2022 7:37 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
It needs to be said that in the age of Windows as a Service (Windows 10 and 11) that blocking updates is very ill-advised, for any reason. It wasn't a great idea in the past, either. A word to the wise is sufficient.
--

Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
* ~ Lauren Bacall