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Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I
know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't
care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've
run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as
the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you
won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function
key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt
for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it
all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote:
Hello, everyone.
I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible
Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking,
checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling.
I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as
robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I
currently use as my main computer, but would like to have
something adequate for the basic functions I described above.
I currently am using Windows 10 as my
operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I
purchase today will contain Windows 11.
I have Microsoft 365, and the latest
version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main
internet browser.
I am looking for a tablet that will have a
usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve
a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I
can use if needed.
I’ve done a fair amount of research
already, andhave come up with the following possibility:
Surface Pro 8
13 inch touch screen
Intel 11th Generation Core
i7-1185G7
16GB memory
256 GB total storage
On sale for $959.99
This might be a bit of overkill in terms
of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need,
than purchase something that would be only marginally
suitable.
I’d be interested if this sounds like a
reasonable choice for what I’m needing.
And, I have a few more questions:
1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how
do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use
the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main
number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the
function and dlete key together.
2. I suspect there’s no application key
on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10?
3. Since there’s no standard headphone
jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to
purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a
public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If
so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended?
4. I have changed operating systems
before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is
involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11?
5. Is there anything else I should be
thinking about?
Since this thread might not be of
interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please
respond privately so as to minimize list traffic.
My private e-mail is:
tombehler@...
Thank you!
Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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molly the blind tech lover
Hi. I once had a Surface Go. It worked ok in terms of Jaws, but I
would not recommend buying one with only 4 GB or ram.
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On 1/27/23, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote: Hello, everyone.
I'm in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with
me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling.
I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the
Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would
like
to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above.
I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize
that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11.
I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use
Google Chrome as my main internet browser.
I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I
realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec
bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed.
I've done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the
following possibility:
Surface Pro 8
13 inch touch screen
Intel 11th Generation Core
i7-1185G7
16GB memory
256 GB total storage
On sale for $959.99
This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I'd
rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only
marginally suitable.
I'd be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I'm
needing.
And, I have a few more questions:
1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws
reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular
number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by
using the function and dlete key together.
2. I suspect there's no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you
simply use shift F10?
3. Since there's no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB
port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can
take
notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so,
what bluetooth headphones are recommended?
4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a
learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11?
5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about?
Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I'd
ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic.
My private e-mail is:
tombehler@... <mailto:tombehler@...>
Thank you!
Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 9:04 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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We looked at the Surface Go, and came to the same conclusion.
This is why I'm leaning toward the Surface Pro with much greater ram.
Regarding storage, that isn't too major of a concern for me, since I can always use One Drive.
Tom Behler
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-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 9:09 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets Hi. I once had a Surface Go. It worked ok in terms of Jaws, but I would not recommend buying one with only 4 GB or ram. On 1/27/23, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote: Hello, everyone.
I'm in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take
with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling.
I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the
Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but
would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I
described above.
I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully
realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11.
I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use
Google Chrome as my main internet browser.
I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I
realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec
bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed.
I've done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the
following possibility:
Surface Pro 8
13 inch touch screen
Intel 11th Generation Core
i7-1185G7
16GB memory
256 GB total storage
On sale for $959.99
This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I'd
rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be
only marginally suitable.
I'd be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I'm
needing.
And, I have a few more questions:
1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws
reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the
regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is
invoked by by using the function and dlete key together.
2. I suspect there's no application key on the main keyboard; so, do
you simply use shift F10?
3. Since there's no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one
USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so
I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if
needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended?
4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much
of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11?
5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about?
Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list,
I'd ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic.
My private e-mail is:
tombehler@... <mailto:tombehler@...>
Thank you!
Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Hi Tom,
look at the Samsung Galaxy Book line of laptops.
As far as weight is concerned, most of them are pretty light..
My Samsung Galaxy Book Pro LTE only weighs about 870 grams.
This is a 13 inch model that has no touch screen, but you also find them wit one.
My model has 16 GB of RAM, but you also find them with 8. It has an SSD with 512 GB of storage.
I heard the Lenovo line of what one would call subnotebooks is also great as far as specs are concerned.
It does not always have to be a Surface.
The keyboard on my Samsung is one of the best keyboards for longer texts.
You do most JAWS commands using the home row or any other letter key in comjunction with INSERT.
Also, you can emulate numpad keys using the FN key on most laptops that do not have a dedicated numpad.
Regards,
Nermin
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Hi, I have the Surface Pro and it works great. I commonly attach my keyboard to make it easier but if not, I always have an external number pad nearby. Rick
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 11:28 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Jaws has different keyboard layouts. The one we all use is the
desktop layout. The laptop layout is designed to use the caps lock
as the modifier and doesn't use the numeric pad.
The setting can be found under options/basic
On 1/27/2023 22:27, Tom Behler wrote:
If you can’t use the numbers on the top row
to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions?
The answer might be obvious, but it is not
clear to me right now.
Tom Behler
Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10.
I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws
doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single
difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines
around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always
use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use
the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws
commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd
probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend
to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote:
Hello, everyone.
I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible
Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking,
checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling.
I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as
robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I
currently use as my main computer, but would like to have
something adequate for the basic functions I described
above.
I currently am using Windows 10 as my
operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I
purchase today will contain Windows 11.
I have Microsoft 365, and the latest
version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main
internet browser.
I am looking for a tablet that will have
a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not
involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth
keyboard that I can use if needed.
I’ve done a fair amount of research
already, andhave come up with the following possibility:
Surface Pro 8
13 inch touch screen
Intel 11th Generation Core
i7-1185G7
16GB memory
256 GB total storage
On sale for $959.99
This might be a bit of overkill in
terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I
need, than purchase something that would be only marginally
suitable.
I’d be interested if this sounds like
a reasonable choice for what I’m needing.
And, I have a few more questions:
1. Since this tablet has no numpad,
how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you
use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the
main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by
using the function and dlete key together.
2. I suspect there’s no application
key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10?
3. Since there’s no standard
headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I
be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can
take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area
if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are
recommended?
4. I have changed operating systems
before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is
involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11?
5. Is there anything else I should be
thinking about?
Since this thread might not be of
interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please
respond privately so as to minimize list traffic.
My private e-mail is:
tombehler@...
Thank you!
Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Thanks, Nerman.
Will take a look at the Samsung Galaxy models.
Tom Behler
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Nermin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets
Hi Tom,
look at the Samsung Galaxy Book line of laptops.
As far as weight is concerned, most of them are pretty light..
My Samsung Galaxy Book Pro LTE only weighs about 870 grams.
This is a 13 inch model that has no touch screen, but you also find them wit one.
My model has 16 GB of RAM, but you also find them with 8. It has an SSD with 512 GB of storage.
I heard the Lenovo line of what one would call subnotebooks is also
great as far as specs are concerned.
It does not always have to be a Surface.
The keyboard on my Samsung is one of the best keyboards for longer texts.
You do most JAWS commands using the home row or any other letter key in
comjunction with INSERT.
Also, you can emulate numpad keys using the FN key on most laptops that
do not have a dedicated numpad.
Regards,
Nermin
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Rick: With your surface pro, is there a way to emulate the number pad in order to do basic Jaws commands, or do you have to use the separate numpad as yu suggest? Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 5:33 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets Hi, I have the Surface Pro and it works great. I commonly attach my keyboard to make it easier but if not, I always have an external number pad nearby. Rick If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Tom, If I use a USB-keyboard, there are no problems at all. Otherwise, the touch screen is no different than the headaches of typing on your phone. Not impossible just not the best for those vision impaired/blind. Regarding any FN keys, I do not believe this possible but have never looked into it with what I have is excellent for all I do with the SP.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tom Behler Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 10:46 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets Rick: With your surface pro, is there a way to emulate the number pad in order to do basic Jaws commands, or do you have to use the separate numpad as yu suggest? Tom Behler Hi, I have the Surface Pro and it works great. I commonly attach my keyboard to make it easier but if not, I always have an external number pad nearby. Rick If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Chris: I understand the laptop layout option, but have a question. Say if you want to emulate the insert numpad 2 Jaws reading command to read a document, how would you do this on a tablet with no numpad? The other issue is that on the Surface Pro I’m looking at, the insert key is a toggle with the delete key being the other function. Just trying to make a cognitive connection here. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 7:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets Jaws has different keyboard layouts. The one we all use is the desktop layout. The laptop layout is designed to use the caps lock as the modifier and doesn't use the numeric pad.
The setting can be found under options/basic On 1/27/2023 22:27, Tom Behler wrote: If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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The laptop layout uses the caps lock for insert, and different
commands in many cases. Your read document command is called "say
all" and is caps-lock plus a or cabslock+down arrow.
Yes, you'd have to memorize a whole nother set of commands. I'd
rather carry around a laptop with a real keyboard; nothing made
today is as heavy as the old Toshiba T1100+ I carried in college.
CH
On 1/28/2023 09:55, Tom Behler wrote:
Chris:
I understand the laptop layout option, but
have a question.
Say if you want to emulate the insert
numpad 2 Jaws reading command to read a document, how would
you do this on a tablet with no numpad?
The other issue is that on the Surface Pro
I’m looking at, the insert key is a toggle with the delete key
being the other function.
Just trying to make a cognitive connection
here.
Tom Behler
Jaws has
different keyboard layouts. The one we all use is the desktop
layout. The laptop layout is designed to use the caps lock as
the modifier and doesn't use the numeric pad.
The setting can be found under options/basic
On 1/27/2023 22:27, Tom Behler wrote:
If you can’t use the numbers on the top
row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws
functions?
The answer might be obvious, but it is
not clear to me right now.
Tom Behler
Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from
10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but
Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a
single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10
machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you
could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be
able to use the top numbers along with a function key to
emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd
probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend
to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote:
Hello, everyone.
I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible
Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking,
checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling.
I do not expect a tablet to be nearly
as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I
currently use as my main computer, but would like to have
something adequate for the basic functions I described
above.
I currently am using Windows 10 as my
operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I
purchase today will contain Windows 11.
I have Microsoft 365, and the latest
version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main
internet browser.
I am looking for a tablet that will
have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may
not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth
keyboard that I can use if needed.
I’ve done a fair amount of research
already, andhave come up with the following possibility:
Surface Pro 8
13 inch touch screen
Intel 11th Generation Core
i7-1185G7
16GB memory
256 GB total storage
On sale for $959.99
This might be a bit of overkill in
terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than
I need, than purchase something that would be only
marginally suitable.
I’d be interested if this sounds
like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing.
And, I have a few more questions:
1. Since this tablet has no numpad,
how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can
you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on
the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by
by using the function and dlete key together.
2. I suspect there’s no application
key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift
F10?
3. Since there’s no standard
headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I
be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can
take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting
area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are
recommended?
4. I have changed operating systems
before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is
involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11?
5. Is there anything else I should
be thinking about?
Since this thread might not be of
interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you
please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic.
My private e-mail is:
tombehler@...
Thank you!
Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Chris: Do you, or does anyone else have that list of commands? I’m sure there’s a link to it on the FS web site somewhere, but I’m not exactly sure what I’d be looking for. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 11:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets The laptop layout uses the caps lock for insert, and different commands in many cases. Your read document command is called "say all" and is caps-lock plus a or cabslock+down arrow.
Yes, you'd have to memorize a whole nother set of commands. I'd rather carry around a laptop with a real keyboard; nothing made today is as heavy as the old Toshiba T1100+ I carried in college.
CH
On 1/28/2023 09:55, Tom Behler wrote: Chris: I understand the laptop layout option, but have a question. Say if you want to emulate the insert numpad 2 Jaws reading command to read a document, how would you do this on a tablet with no numpad? The other issue is that on the Surface Pro I’m looking at, the insert key is a toggle with the delete key being the other function. Just trying to make a cognitive connection here. Tom Behler Jaws has different keyboard layouts. The one we all use is the desktop layout. The laptop layout is designed to use the caps lock as the modifier and doesn't use the numeric pad.
The setting can be found under options/basic On 1/27/2023 22:27, Tom Behler wrote: If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Chris:
Do you, or does anyone else have that list
of commands?
I’m sure there’s a link to it on the FS web
site somewhere, but I’m not exactly sure what I’d be looking
for.
Tom Behler
The laptop
layout uses the caps lock for insert, and different commands
in many cases. Your read document command is called "say all"
and is caps-lock plus a or cabslock+down arrow.
Yes, you'd have to memorize a whole nother set of commands.
I'd rather carry around a laptop with a real keyboard; nothing
made today is as heavy as the old Toshiba T1100+ I carried in
college.
CH
On 1/28/2023 09:55, Tom Behler wrote:
Chris:
I understand the laptop layout option,
but have a question.
Say if you want to emulate the insert
numpad 2 Jaws reading command to read a document, how would
you do this on a tablet with no numpad?
The other issue is that on the Surface
Pro I’m looking at, the insert key is a toggle with the
delete key being the other function.
Just trying to make a cognitive
connection here.
Tom Behler
Jaws has
different keyboard layouts. The one we all use is the
desktop layout. The laptop layout is designed to use the
caps lock as the modifier and doesn't use the numeric pad.
The setting can be found under options/basic
On 1/27/2023 22:27, Tom Behler wrote:
If you can’t use the numbers on the top
row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws
functions?
The answer might be obvious, but it is
not clear to me right now.
Tom Behler
Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from
10. I know they moved the location of the start button,
but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of
a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and
10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you
could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely
be able to use the top numbers along with a function key
to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd
probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I
tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all
is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote:
Hello, everyone.
I’m in the market for a
Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me
for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web
when traveling.
I do not expect a tablet to be nearly
as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that
I currently use as my main computer, but would like to
have something adequate for the basic functions I
described above.
I currently am using Windows 10 as my
operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet
I purchase today will contain Windows 11.
I have Microsoft 365, and the latest
version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my
main internet browser.
I am looking for a tablet that will
have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may
not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth
keyboard that I can use if needed.
I’ve done a fair amount of research
already, andhave come up with the following possibility:
Surface Pro 8
13 inch touch screen
Intel 11th Generation Core
i7-1185G7
16GB memory
256 GB total storage
On sale for $959.99
This might be a bit of overkill in
terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more
than I need, than purchase something that would be only
marginally suitable.
I’d be interested if this sounds
like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing.
And, I have a few more questions:
1. Since this tablet has no
numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading
commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the
regular number on the main number row? I think the
insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete
key together.
2. I suspect there’s no
application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply
use shift F10?
3. Since there’s no standard
headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would
I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I
can take notes in a public place such as an airport
waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth
headphones are recommended?
4. I have changed operating
systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning
curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows
11?
5. Is there anything else I
should be thinking about?
Since this thread might not be of
interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you
please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic.
My private e-mail is:
tombehler@...
Thank you!
Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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I got it, Chris. I also found some notes on how to use Jaws on a computer without a numpad, so I’m getting there. Tom Behler
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 2:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Some Questions On Jaws-Compatible Windows Tablets It should all be on this page, the three column tables have both desktop and laptop versions.
https://www.freedomscientific.com/training/jaws/hotkeys/ On 1/28/2023 13:32, Tom Behler wrote: Chris: Do you, or does anyone else have that list of commands? I’m sure there’s a link to it on the FS web site somewhere, but I’m not exactly sure what I’d be looking for. Tom Behler The laptop layout uses the caps lock for insert, and different commands in many cases. Your read document command is called "say all" and is caps-lock plus a or cabslock+down arrow.
Yes, you'd have to memorize a whole nother set of commands. I'd rather carry around a laptop with a real keyboard; nothing made today is as heavy as the old Toshiba T1100+ I carried in college.
CH
On 1/28/2023 09:55, Tom Behler wrote: Chris: I understand the laptop layout option, but have a question. Say if you want to emulate the insert numpad 2 Jaws reading command to read a document, how would you do this on a tablet with no numpad? The other issue is that on the Surface Pro I’m looking at, the insert key is a toggle with the delete key being the other function. Just trying to make a cognitive connection here. Tom Behler Jaws has different keyboard layouts. The one we all use is the desktop layout. The laptop layout is designed to use the caps lock as the modifier and doesn't use the numeric pad.
The setting can be found under options/basic On 1/27/2023 22:27, Tom Behler wrote: If you can’t use the numbers on the top row to emulate Jaws commands, how do you do basic Jaws functions? The answer might be obvious, but it is not clear to me right now. Tom Behler Hello.
Well, I can give a couple of ideas.
First of all, windows 11 really isn't much different from 10. I know they moved the location of the start button, but Jaws doesn't care. Other than that, I can't think of a single difference I've run into, and I have both 11 and 10 machines around here. As far as the keyboard goes, you could always use the jaws laptop layout; you won't likely be able to use the top numbers along with a function key to emulate jaws commands.
As far as hardware spec goes, it sounds fine to me, I'd probably opt for less processor and more storage, but I tend to want to take it all with me, no matter how big all is.
CH
On 1/27/2023 18:57, Tom Behler wrote: Hello, everyone. I’m in the market for a Jaws-compatible Windows Tablet that I can take with me for note-taking, checking e-mail, and browsing the web when traveling. I do not expect a tablet to be nearly as robust and functional as the Windows Dell Laptop that I currently use as my main computer, but would like to have something adequate for the basic functions I described above. I currently am using Windows 10 as my operating system, and fully realize that any new tablet I purchase today will contain Windows 11. I have Microsoft 365, and the latest version of Jaws 2023. I also use Google Chrome as my main internet browser. I am looking for a tablet that will have a usable keyboard, although I realize that this may not involve a number pad. I do have a Logitec bluetooth keyboard that I can use if needed. I’ve done a fair amount of research already, andhave come up with the following possibility: Surface Pro 8 13 inch touch screen Intel 11th Generation Core i7-1185G7 16GB memory 256 GB total storage On sale for $959.99 This might be a bit of overkill in terms of Jaws requirements, but I’d rather have more than I need, than purchase something that would be only marginally suitable. I’d be interested if this sounds like a reasonable choice for what I’m needing. And, I have a few more questions: 1. Since this tablet has no numpad, how do you invoke the usual Jaws reading commands? Can you use the insert key, followed by the regular number on the main number row? I think the insert key is invoked by by using the function and dlete key together. 2. I suspect there’s no application key on the main keyboard; so, do you simply use shift F10? 3. Since there’s no standard headphone jack, and, I believe, only one USB port, would I be best to purchase a set of bluetooth earphones so I can take notes in a public place such as an airport waiting area if needed? If so, what bluetooth headphones are recommended? 4. I have changed operating systems before, and jus wonder how much of a learning curve is involved with moving from Windows 10 to Windows 11? 5. Is there anything else I should be thinking about? Since this thread might not be of interest to many people on the list, I’d ask that you please respond privately so as to minimize list traffic. My private e-mail is: tombehler@... Thank you! Dr. Tom Behler From Michigan
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Hi tom,
you do not need a list on the web, JAWS help is all you need.
The book "Hotkeys, Laptop Commands" has a list of commands available for you to explore.
Regards,
Nermin
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