shut down sound for windows 10
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Debby Hill
My desktop machine is such a monster there is no doubt when it shuts down. My Dell laptop--an Inspiron of some sort I think--plays one short single "eh" sound. It kind of sounds like the last blast from a bassoon. If I had perfect pitch like my sister, I could tell you what note it is! (smile)
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Debby
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 6:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound. Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement". Gerald Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Mario Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel. there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no? -------- Original Message -------- From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@att.net] Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more". But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that. On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound. Pastor Gil -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM To: JFW <jfw@groups.io> Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance. .
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I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound. Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement". Gerald Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Mario Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel. there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no? -------- Original Message -------- From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@att.net] Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more". But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that. On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound. Pastor Gil -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM To: JFW <jfw@groups.io> Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance. .
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David Ingram
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From: Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@live.ca>hi list members, I noticed now with the new version of windows 1803 that you have windows sounds only if you're using jaws 2018. I found that after updating to this version of windows 10 that if I were to use jaws version 16 that all my system sounds will not work no matter what.
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On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility.As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility. Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful, even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut down or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown, as the fans are the last thing to shut down. The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility. Pick your battles. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill
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Richard Turner
I was amazed!
And, Microsoft has hired someone to oversee the Narrator project to greatly increase its usefulness as a screen reader. Look for good changes in the Fall Windows 10 update. And in the future, Narrator may be as good as some stand-alone screen readers.
But, I know there are folks who will judge microsoft negatively because their pet feature isn't there. O well.
Richard
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." - Mark Twain
On Jul 31, 2018, at 6:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:
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Jonas Voll
I do not like other people making Decisions for myself! Free will, is what I want!
Jonas
Voll Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10
On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility. Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill SonicWall identified this message as clean. To manage your junk mail go to https://nospam.envisionus.com and logon with your domain userid and password. If you consider this email to be spam please forward it to 'spam@...' NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system.
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David Ingram
jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws 16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.
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Mario
I think MS does not want the user to totally shutdown Windows 10 in
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favor of providing continuous (never ending) updates.
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From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 6:51 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound. Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement". Gerald Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Mario Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel. there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no? -------- Original Message -------- From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@att.net] Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more". But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that. On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound. Pastor Gil -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM To: JFW <jfw@groups.io> Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance. . .
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Gerald Levy
But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows
10. The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown sound,
then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the point of
keeping some sounds while eliminating others?
Gerald
From: David Ingram
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws
version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of
your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws 16 will not work with
this latest update of windows 10. It actually does.
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Alan Robbins
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.
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Al
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound. Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement". Gerald Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Mario Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel. there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no? -------- Original Message -------- From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@att.net] Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more". But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that. On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound. Pastor Gil -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM To: JFW <jfw@groups.io> Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance. .
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cecropia64
It's not like they have to change the program or add any major
increase in size or anything. Just put the sounds back where they
used to be. I, personally, want to make my own choices and want
the sounds there. If I choose to disable them, it's my own
choice. But I'd like to have a choice to make and not have
someone else do the choice making for me.
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cecropia64
Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get answers if there are any to be had.
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On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote:
I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists.
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David Ingram
hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox?
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From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net>
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Aleeha Dudley
Hi all,
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I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one. The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first. Aleeha
On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@earthlink.net> wrote:
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Mario
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?
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From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:29 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 It's not like they have to change the program or add any major increase in size or anything. Just put the sounds back where they used to be. I, personally, want to make my own choices and want the sounds there. If I choose to disable them, it's my own choice. But I'd like to have a choice to make and not have someone else do the choice making for me. On 7/31/2018 10:11 AM, Gerald Levy wrote: But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows 10. The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others? Gerald *From:* David Ingram <mailto:dingram269@earthlink.net> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> *Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws 16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does. -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Voll Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM To: "main@jfw.groups.io" Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 I do not like other people making Decisions for myself! Free will, is what I want! JonasVoll Support Technician I Envision, Inc. 2301 S Water ST Wichita, KS67213 O: 316-425-7141 F: 316-267-4312 www.envisionus.com <http://www.envisionus.com>; Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research. *From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM *To:* main@jfw.groups.io *Subject:* Re: shut down sound for windows 10 On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility. Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful, even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut down or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown, as the fans are the last thing to shut down. The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility. Pick your battles. -- Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 /The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment./ ~ Dorothy Nevill SonicWall identified this message as clean. To manage your junk mail go tohttps://nospam.envisionus.com and logon with your domain userid and password. If you consider this email to be spam please forward it to 'spam@nospam.envisionus.com' *NOTICE:* This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system.
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Mario
you're right. and in addition, why do they disable some sounds even
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though the sounds are still there?
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From: Gerald Levy [mailto:bwaylimited@verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:11 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 But even with JAWS 2018, there is still no shutdown sound in Windows 10. The way I see it, if MS has decided to eliminate the shutdown sound, then it might aswell eliminate all system sounds. What’s the point of keeping some sounds while eliminating others? Gerald From: David Ingram Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:03 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 jaws version 16. If you're using jaws 2018 then you should be able to hear all of your system sounds with jaws. This doesn't mean that jaws 16 will not work with this latest update of windows 10. It actually does. -----Original Message----- From: Jonas Voll Sent: Jul 31, 2018 8:56 AM To: "main@jfw.groups.io" Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 I do not like other people making Decisions for myself! Free will, is what I want! Jonas Voll Support Technician I Envision, Inc. 2301 S Water ST Wichita, KS 67213 O: 316-425-7141 F: 316-267-4312 www.envisionus.com Envision: To improve the quality of life and provide inspiration and opportunity for people who are blind or visually impaired through employment, outreach, rehabilitation, education and research. From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 8:41 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 On Tue, Jul 31, 2018 at 09:16 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. As does anyone who pays the slightest bit of attention. The creation of Narrator, and the degree of ongoing development of same, marked a tectonic shift in Microsoft's attitude toward accessibility. Although I loved the shutdown sound, and see why it can be useful, even on a laptop there are easy ways to tell if a computer is shut down or not. Just place your hand near the fan exit vent and you will feel the stream of air, which is usually significantly warmer than any room temperature, cease flowing upon complete shutdown, as the fans are the last thing to shut down. The shutdown sound is a triviality in the world of accessibility. Pick your battles. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1803, Build 17134 The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment. ~ Dorothy Nevill SonicWall identified this message as clean.To manage your junk mail go to https://nospam.envisionus.com and logon with your domain userid and password.If you consider this email to be spam please forward it to 'spam@nospam.envisionus.com'NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system.
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Maria Campbell
I agree. It's very hard for me to check on shut down on my laptop. I feel no fan or drive vibration. It can't be that hard to incorporate, if they even think of it. The only thing I can do is try opening CD drive.
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On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?
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Mario
David, what does the version of JAWS being used have to do with hearing
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the sounds playing at certain system events in Windows 10?
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From: David Ingram [mailto:dingram269@earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, Jul 31, 2018 10:42 AM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 hi list members, what version of jaws are being used currently? If the answers is jaws 2018 or jaws 17 then you should hear all system sounds. I'currently using jaws version 16. This means that if you're using jaws 17 or 2018 with windows 10 version 1803 you should hear all system soundsI'm going to check to see whether windows 10 version 1803 does the same with firefox? -----Original Message----- From: cecropia64 <cecropia64@att.net> Sent: Jul 31, 2018 9:31 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 Maybe. But that's what these lists are for. To ask questions and get answers if there are any to be had. On 7/31/2018 10:17 AM, Alan Robbins via Groups.Io wrote: I wish I had a dollar for every time this thread starts up on this list as well as other lists. It seems to me there must be a reason Microsoft stopped having a shut down sound. Has anyone ever taken the time to research this or ask Microsoft? It would seem to me to be energy better spend than repeatedly asking this question on email lists. Al -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:16 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 I disagree with that statement about Microsoft not caring about accessibility. If this were so then why the major and continueing improvements of Narrator and if this statement was true then Apple also does not care about accessibility (which of course is not true) because the iPhone makes neither a startup sound nor a shutdown sound. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerald Levy Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 3:51 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 Taking away the shutdown sound in Windows 10 proves once again that MS really does not careabout accessibility, contrary to what some list members believe to the contrary. What possible advantage is there to having no audible means of confirming that your computer has completely shut down? On some laptops, the cooling fan is so weak that it is difficult to impossible to tell whether it is running just by feeling or placing your ear next to the case, so this may not be a reliable substitute for the shutdown sound. Maybe someone who is smarter than me can explain how eliminating the shutdown sound is an "improvement". Gerald Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Mario Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 8:50 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 in the meantime, it would be appreciated, I think by most blind and/or sighted users, to send feedback to Microsoft pleeding that the familiar Windows 7 shutdown sound be reenabled and that any wav file can be assigned as it was possible with earlier versions of Windows, i.e. via the sounds applett of the control panel. there might be a chance MS would consider it if there were compelling reasons such as for blind users who choose to completely shutdown their system and are using a laptop (or desktop) that does not have any means of testing to see if the system is truely shutdown. the more the reasons that are reasonable, the better the chance MS might do it. no? -------- Original Message -------- From: cecropia64 [mailto:cecropia64@att.net] Sent: Monday, Jul 30, 2018 7:35 PM EST To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 yup, me too. I'm gonna use Windows 7 until Microsoft says "no more". But by then I hope to have learned enough about Windows 10 to at least use it without too much of an issue. We shall see about that. On 7/30/2018 6:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote: So how can you tell for sure that your computer has shut down completely if there is no sound like in Windows 7 and earlier? This is yet another reason why I'm in no hurry to upgrade to Windows 10. Gerald -----Original Message----- From: Pastor Gil Pries Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 5:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 With Windows 10, there is no way to assign a shutdown sound. Pastor Gil -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Teresa Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 1:56 PM To: JFW <jfw@groups.io> Subject: shut down sound for windows 10 good afternoon list: how do I assign a sound when windows 10 shuts down? Thanks to all in advance. . .
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Gerald Levy
MS doesn't give a rat's ass what the public thinks. If it did, it would have replaced the much-despised ribbon menu structure with the more convenient and less cumbersome classic menu structure that most of its customers, sighted and blind alike, prefer. On the contrary, MS seems to go out of its way to frustrate and tick off its customers just to prove that they can do anything they damn well please and get away with it.
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Gerald
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From: Aleeha Dudley Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2018 10:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: shut down sound for windows 10 Hi all, I am a very infrequent poster on this list, but I needed to contribute on this one. The lack of a shutdown sound does NOT indicate a lack of accessibility You could always use a light detector app to determine if the screen is off, or place your ear close to the computer to hear the different sounds stop. Systems change. That’s a fact. The Mac, for example, does not make the startup sound on the new machines. It’s sad, but it’s true. In an age where people want faster operating systems and less noise from machines, Microsoft has to go with what the public wants, not a niche market. If you really think that Microsoft or any other company is stepping back in terms of accessibility, I’d strongly encourage you to do a bit of research into current accessibility developments first. Aleeha On Jul 31, 2018, at 9:42 AM, David Ingram <dingram269@earthlink.net> wrote:
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cecropia64
Guess that is what I was thinking as well. I understand all the input on the subject. I guess I just don't understand all the hoopla. What is the big deal? None as far as I can tell. But opinions are vast and everyone has one. Some are more in depth than others. Not everyone will be happy with all when it comes to accessibility. I guess I wish it was more uniform across the board.
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Stew
On 7/31/2018 10:54 AM, Mario wrote:
Cecropia64, I agree. if it's trivial to do, why can't MS do it?
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