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moderated Showing the leader in a table of contents
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Ann Byrne
In word 2016 I have set tab stops for a table of contents--6 inches, right aligned, .... as the leader. When I fill in information the titles align correctly, the page numbers align, but there are no little dot dot dots between the title and the beautifully aligned page number. Does JAWS just not display the leader? do I need to do something funky with the Word 2016 settings besides selecting the leader?
Thx, Ann
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Van Lant, Robin
Hi,
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I just did a table of content earlier using that first button on the References ribbon. I picked the first automatic option in the list. I have enough vision to see that the leading periods are there, even though JAWS is not reading them. Here is my speech history as I read down a portion of this table of contents: Table of contents link end Table of contents Internship Seekers 1 Table of contents link Sara Young 1 Table of contents link Linda Brandt 1 Table of contents link Amanda Thomas 1 Table of contents link Full-time position seekers 2 Table of contents Not sure if your table of contents is the same formatting, but hoepufly this helps. I did nothing to customize it from that first option on the Table of Contents creation button. Robin
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:22 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Showing the leader in a table of contents WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. In word 2016 I have set tab stops for a table of contents--6 inches, right aligned, .... as the leader. When I fill in information the titles align correctly, the page numbers align, but there are no little dot dot dots between the title and the beautifully aligned page number. Does JAWS just not display the leader? do I need to do something funky with the Word 2016 settings besides selecting the leader? Thx, Ann This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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Ann Byrne
Thanks for this. I really believe that JAWS used to read the leader ... probably in Word 2002. shows how long it has been since I tried this.
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With too little vision to check for dots, I would stinkin' like to be told if they are there.
At 07:45 PM 2/16/2021, you wrote:
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Van Lant, Robin
I see your point Ann, but I can also appreciate that I don’t' want to hear that extra verbiage when arrowing through the contents list. I wonder if there is a toggler of some keystroke that would list the formatting.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 7:06 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Showing the leader in a table of contents Thanks for this. I really believe that JAWS used to read the leader ... probably in Word 2002. shows how long it has been since I tried this. With too little vision to check for dots, I would stinkin' like to be told if they are there. At 07:45 PM 2/16/2021, you wrote: Hi, This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@key.com with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:05 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
With too little vision to check for dots, I would stinkin' like to be told if they are there.- It is entirely possible that, way back in the versions of Word available up through 2003, that the leaders were actually implemented as a series of period characters of sufficient length, but now they're not. I haven't done this, or played with it, but Word could now be using a graphic of dots of the appropriate width based on the length of the table item and the page number. There is probably a way to get something said, but the fact that you know things align correctly is a very, very strong suggestion that "something's in there" to force the alignment of the page numbers to actually occur. It would drive me mad were it to announce something like, "Dot, Dot, Dot, Dot," for the number of dots used in a given leader for each and every leader. If you actually have a way of knowing that the leader function is activated, you can be assured it's there. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Ann Byrne
You can set JAWS to speak only three repeated characters, no matter how many there are, so you wouldn't have to hear all of them.
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At 10:01 AM 2/17/2021, you wrote:
I see your point Ann, but I can also appreciate that I don’t' want to hear that extra verbiage when arrowing through the contents list. I wonder if there is a toggler of some keystroke that would list the formatting.
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Ann Byrne
But you don't know. What if you hit the wrong key? To ensure the integrity of my work, I want a way to know what I have written.
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At 10:42 AM 2/17/2021, you wrote:
On Tue, Feb 16, 2021 at 09:05 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 01:28 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
You can set JAWS to speak only three repeated characters- Which is great, if what's being used is a repeated character set. Believe it or not, I'm not questioning your choice, as what any given one of us wants/likes will differ. I'm just pointing out that how this is actually implemented "under the hood" matters as far as what's exposed to the screen reader to read. I also have absolute trust that when a given feature is turned on, and I'm using it, and all evidence is that it's working, that it is indeed working. There are many times that I have no desire to have anything announced, because it's auditory clutter. It's just a difference of desired behavior. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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That should have been, "something announced," not, "anything." I can't imagine not wanting to hear anything at all; it kinda defeats the purpose of a screen reader!
-- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Mike B
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Hi Robin,
You can change your speech and sound scheme on
the fly to get formatting. Press, Jaws key, Alt + S, to open the schemes
list. Note: Take notice of which scheme is highlighted so you can return
to it.
up / down arrow to the scheme you want and
press enter to switch. You might have to experiment with the schemes to
see which one will do what you want but, you have several choices. You can
even modify the schemes if necessary to get exactly what you want.
Stay safe and take care. Mike.
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Subject: Re: Showing the leader in a table of contents -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 7:06 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Showing the leader in a table of contents Thanks for this. I really believe that JAWS used to read the leader ... probably in Word 2002. shows how long it has been since I tried this. With too little vision to check for dots, I would stinkin' like to be told if they are there. At 07:45 PM 2/16/2021, you wrote: >Hi, >I just did a table of content earlier using that first button on the >References ribbon. I picked the first automatic option in the list. I >have enough vision to see that the leading periods are there, even >though JAWS is not reading them. Here is my speech history as I read >down a portion of this table of contents: > >Table of contents linkend Table of contents Internship Seekers 1 Table >of contents linkSara Young 1 Table of contents linkLinda Brandt 1 >Table of contents linkAmanda Thomas 1 Table of contents linkFull-time >position seekers 2 Table of contents > >Not sure if your table of contents is the same formatting, but hoepufly >this helps. I did nothing to customize it from that first option on the >Table of Contents creation button. > >Robin > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne >Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2021 4:22 PM >To: main@jfw.groups.io >Subject: Showing the leader in a table of contents > >WARNING: This email originated externally. >Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. > > >In word 2016 I have set tab stops for a table of >contents--6 inches, right aligned, .... as the leader. When I fill in >information the titles align correctly, the page numbers align, but >there are no little dot dot dots between the title and the beautifully >aligned page number. Does JAWS just not display the leader? do I need >to do something funky with the Word 2016 settings besides selecting the >leader? > >Thx, > >Ann > > > > > > >This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential >information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No >confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any >transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are >strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any >of this information. If you have received this communication in error, >please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its >entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. > >This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, >solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to >buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not >intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. >Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or >other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or >accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital >Markets Inc. >accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any >views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily >of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. > >The sender of this communication is a licensed securities >representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets >Inc. >Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association >(“KeyBank N.A.â€�). >Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets >Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. > >127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 > >If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or >services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No >Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. > > This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 01:31 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
But you don't know.- Well, I'd argue that. If you toggle on a feature for leader, and the feature is toggled on, the leader is there. It's no different than using a list in word, once you've turned on a list, and I'll use a bulleted list as the example, if I'm told I'm in that list when working I don't need the screen reader to tell me, for every item, what bullet shape is being used after I've initially chosen or set them. They're just there, and I know they're there because I am using the list feature. If there were no way of knowing whether a feature had been activated or not, then you have no idea what's there. But when a feature that has a defined behavior is activated, and you're using it, the whole idea is so that you don't have to double check what it automates - it's just there. And, again, what you stated at the outset about alignment allows you to infer that it's there, as if it weren't, the page numbers would certainly not align, whether a leader were in use or not. The table of contents feature reliably handles formatting for the various sections per the settings you've chosen. -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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Ann Byrne
And you realize that you can cheat ... and I can't (LOL). And although I'm a pretty good typist, I make mistakes that I want to know I made.
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At 12:33 PM 2/17/2021, you wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 01:28 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 03:38 PM, Ann Byrne wrote:
And although I'm a pretty good typist, I make mistakes that I want to know I made.- And I'm a mediocre to OK one, and love the parts I don't have to check because I'm not typing them. You are right, though, in that I can cheat in that I can see, but I also trust the automatic formatting features of Word, too, and when I tutor, once I have confidence the student actually knows how to activate or deactivate the various bits they need, I encourage them "to have faith" that the stuff is there that the feature should put there. I'd have a fit, though, if the things I actually must enter myself were not to be announced, as I never have anything near to complete faith in my own typing! -- Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042 One does not discover new lands without consenting to lose sight of the shore for a very long time. ~ André Gide
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