moderated seeking advice regarding web browsers
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Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
hi,
Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your unanimous opinions! when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people recommend for best use with Jaws. Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith
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David Goldfield
Keith, While Firefox is generally a terrific browser I don't recommend using it with JAWS due to its slow performance. On four different computers I have used Firefox has never worked well with JAWS since version 57 when that browser went through some changes. Any Chromium browser should work equally well, whether we're talking about Edge, Chrome, Brave or others. I personally prefer Brave due to the fact that it is very much focused on user privacy.
David Goldfield, Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist JAWS Certified, 2019 Subscribe to the Tech-VI announcement list to receive emails regarding news and events in the blindness assistive technology field. Email: tech-vi+subscribe@groups.io
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:57 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers
hi, Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your unanimous opinions! when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people recommend for best use with Jaws. Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith
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Michael Munn
I agree with David. Best regards Michael H. Munn Member: Georgia Association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind of Georgia Member: National association of Blind Students National Federation of the Blind Student of: Hadley Institute of the Blind
On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 10:20 PM David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
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Judy
Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:57 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers hi, Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your unanimous opinions! when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people recommend for best use with Jaws. Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith
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James English
I would have to say google chrome, although it's a bit buggy on some
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computers. IE is still the best accessibility-wise but Microsoft has decided nobody is allowed to use it from next year.
On 11/15/21, Judy <bunchkinbear@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby
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Steve Nutt
So do I because it syncs across my Android, iOS and PC.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Judy Sent: 15 November 2021 05:52 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:57 PM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers hi, Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your unanimous opinions! when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people recommend for best use with Jaws. Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith
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Steve Nutt
Wow, I don't like IE any more having used Chrome.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: 15 November 2021 10:34 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers I would have to say google chrome, although it's a bit buggy on some computers. IE is still the best accessibility-wise but Microsoft has decided nobody is allowed to use it from next year. On 11/15/21, Judy <bunchkinbear@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby
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James English
Hi Steve,
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I only like it more because of Chrome's odd love of crashing on this computer which I can't explain. It's a very modern i7 system with windows 10 and jaws 2021, but sometimes chrome will just exit without warning.
On 11/15/21, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
Wow, I don't like IE any more having used Chrome.
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Here's a vote against Chrome, not because it isn't a great browser, but because it is a personal browsing history vacuum for Google. It's also far from the only Chromium based browser with sync capabilities. The Microsoft Edge browser is Chromium-based with sync as are Vivaldi and Brave, both of which have a strong privacy focus (which can cause rare issues with certain sites, so you still need to be prepared to use Edge, Chrome, or Firefox).
As far as Firefox goes, and it's not like I use a screen reader extensively and constantly with any browser, the newer versions don't seem to be having a problem with NVDA. Web browsers as a class are one of the most fluid and dynamic classes of software in existence. What may have been true one week and one dot release ago may not be true today. It's a PITA to do repeat checking over time, but that's still worth doing for browsers you've used and liked, but may have changed away from due to performance issues or other misbehaviors when using a screen reader with them. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected. ~ William Plomer
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Mich Verrier
I laso use google crom how eer I have not ehrd about ms discontinuing the abillidey for people to use crome from next year. I don't use edge and hardly use firefox. From Mich.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: November 15, 2021 5:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers I would have to say google chrome, although it's a bit buggy on some computers. IE is still the best accessibility-wise but Microsoft has decided nobody is allowed to use it from next year. On 11/15/21, Judy <bunchkinbear@sbcglobal.net> wrote: Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby
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David Moore
I like Google Chrome better as well! The settings in Edge are not as easy to get to as in Chrome! I like to change my settings a lot! David Moore
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From: Mich Verrier
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 10:55 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers
I laso use google crom how eer I have not ehrd about ms discontinuing the abillidey for people to use crome from next year. I don't use edge and hardly use firefox. From Mich.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: November 15, 2021 5:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers
I would have to say google chrome, although it's a bit buggy on some computers. IE is still the best accessibility-wise but Microsoft has decided nobody is allowed to use it from next year.
On 11/15/21, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote: > Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:57 PM > To: jfw@groups.io > Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers > > hi, > Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 > versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your > unanimous opinions! > when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no > longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people > recommend for best use with Jaws. > Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith > > > > > > > > > >
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Steve Nutt
Strange. Have you tried clearing all browser history?
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: 15 November 2021 15:04 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers Hi Steve, I only like it more because of Chrome's odd love of crashing on this computer which I can't explain. It's a very modern i7 system with windows 10 and jaws 2021, but sometimes chrome will just exit without warning. On 11/15/21, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote: Wow, I don't like IE any more having used Chrome.
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Steve Nutt
Yes, they are to be fair.
Just go to edge://settings
All the best
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 15 November 2021 20:41 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers
I like Google Chrome better as well! The settings in Edge are not as easy to get to as in Chrome! I like to change my settings a lot! David Moore
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From: Mich Verrier
I laso use google crom how eer I have not ehrd about ms discontinuing the abillidey for people to use crome from next year. I don't use edge and hardly use firefox. From Mich.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: November 15, 2021 5:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers
I would have to say google chrome, although it's a bit buggy on some computers. IE is still the best accessibility-wise but Microsoft has decided nobody is allowed to use it from next year.
On 11/15/21, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote: > Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:57 PM > To: jfw@groups.io > Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers > > hi, > Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 > versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your > unanimous opinions! > when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no > longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people > recommend for best use with Jaws. > Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith > > > > > > > > > >
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Sharon S
Hi, I currently am using Edge and haven't come across any issues. Of course,
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I have Firefox on here as a backup and I have seriously looked at brave. I think once I move over to my new computer I will be installing Brave because I have heard many good reports about it. From Shaz. Canberra, Australia.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io Sent: Monday, 15 November 2021 10:57 AM To: jfw@groups.io Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers hi, Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your unanimous opinions! when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people recommend for best use with Jaws. Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith
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On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 06:41 AM, Steve Nutt wrote, regarding getting to the settings for MS-Edge:
Just go to edge://settings- Or just hit ALT + F, S, which is precisely what one does when in Chrome. What's funny is that in Edge, you can even type chrome://settings and you'll be taken to edge://settings. The converse is not true in Chrome. Brave and Vivaldi both follow that "auto-translate" behavior if you happen to enter chrome://settings as well. ALT + F, S appears to be the de facto standard command to open settings in 3 of the 4 Chromium-based browsers I have on this machine. Although it should work in Vivaldi, it doesn't, they have their own shortcut mapped, which is CTRL + F12. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected. ~ William Plomer
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On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 10:55 AM, Mich Verrier wrote:
ms discontinuing the abillidey for people to use crome from next year.- That's not what was said. Microsoft is retiring, as in completely retiring, Internet Explorer next year. Anyone who's still depending on IE for anything needs to get away from that, as it's not going to be available much longer. Less than a year at this point. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H1, Build 19043 It is the function of creative men to perceive the relations between thoughts, or things, or forms of expression that may seem utterly different, and to be able to combine them into some new forms--the power to connect the seemingly unconnected. ~ William Plomer
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Bill White
Hi, David. I didn't think the settings in Edge were as easy to get to as in Chrome, either, because I needed to press a "Main Menu" button, before I could get to the Settings Categories. What I discovered, Though, was that this was because Edge wasn't maximized. When I maximized Edge, I could press ALT plus F, followed by S, and the Settings Categories list was just a tab away, just as in Chrome.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 12:41 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers
I like Google Chrome better as well! The settings in Edge are not as easy to get to as in Chrome! I like to change my settings a lot! David Moore
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From: Mich Verrier
I laso use google crom how eer I have not ehrd about ms discontinuing the abillidey for people to use crome from next year. I don't use edge and hardly use firefox. From Mich.
-----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James English Sent: November 15, 2021 5:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers
I would have to say google chrome, although it's a bit buggy on some computers. IE is still the best accessibility-wise but Microsoft has decided nobody is allowed to use it from next year.
On 11/15/21, Judy <bunchkinbear@...> wrote: > Hi, I like google chrome the best. Judy & Libby > > -----Original Message----- > From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of > Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. via groups.io > Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2021 6:57 PM > To: jfw@groups.io > Subject: seeking advice regarding web browsers > > hi, > Thanks to those who answered my earlier question about windows 10 > versus Windows 11. I will be sticking with windows 10, thanks to your > unanimous opinions! > when I last used a PC, I was using Internet explorer. That is no > longer an option. I am curious as to which Web browsers people > recommend for best use with Jaws. > Thanks in advance for any insights. Keith > > > > > > > > > >
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Bill White
Hi, James. Have you tried uninstalling Chrome completely, then reinstalling it? What I mean by completely uninstalling Chrome is this:
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When you uninstall Chrome through either Control Panel>Programs and Features, or via Settings>Apps and Features, Windows leaves behind some folders and files that belong to Google Chrome. If you type into the "Run" dialog the following command, %userprofile%\AppData\local and remove the "Google" folder, without the quotes, you can get a completely clean reinstall of Chrome. Perhaps this could solve your Google Chrome intermittent crashing problem. Bill White billwhite92701@att.net
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of James English Sent: Monday, November 15, 2021 7:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: seeking advice regarding web browsers Hi Steve, I only like it more because of Chrome's odd love of crashing on this computer which I can't explain. It's a very modern i7 system with windows 10 and jaws 2021, but sometimes chrome will just exit without warning. On 11/15/21, Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote: Wow, I don't like IE any more having used Chrome.
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