moderated Replacement for Thunderbird?


Gene Warner
 

Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...


Chris Hill
 

Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH

On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...




Gene Warner
 

First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...

On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?
CH
On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...





 

What I can't figure out is why anyone who is not a typical beta user is upgrading to Thunderbird 102.  From the noted page: Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.

There could be quite a few changes before it hits the release channel.  Those choosing to use beta software need to understand what that entails.  I still have 91.11.0 and a check for updates from the help menu clearly indicates that's the latest version on the release channel.
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Gene Warner
 

Then 102 should be marked as a beta and not an official release which is how it is marked in their releases directory.

Gene...

On 7/10/2022 8:01 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
What I can't figure out is why anyone who is not a typical beta user is upgrading to Thunderbird 102 <https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.0/releasenotes/>. From the noted page: Thunderbird version 102.0 is only offered as direct download from thunderbird.net and not as an upgrade from Thunderbird version 91 or earlier. A future release will provide updates from earlier versions.
There could be quite a few changes before it hits the release channel. Those choosing to use beta software need to understand what that entails.  I still have 91.11.0 and a check for updates from the help menu clearly indicates that's the latest version on the release channel.
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:19 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Then 102 should be marked as a beta and not an official release which is how it is marked in their releases directory.
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But it's clear exactly what it is on the release notes page.

It's simple, really, if you are not being offered an update via the installed version, which is on the release channel, then anything you download is NOT a production release.

This is your doing.  At least own your own choices.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.

I never blamed anyone for my downloading and installing of version 102. And I took care of my mistake by downgrading. So I would say that I owned my mistake and fixed it!

So stop putting words in my mouth. You should take your own advice and own what comes out of your mouth!

Gene...

On 7/10/2022 8:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:19 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Then 102 should be marked as a beta and not an official release
which is how it is marked in their releases directory.
-
But it's clear exactly what it is on the release notes page.
It's simple, really, if you are not being offered an update via the installed version, which is on the release channel, then anything you download is NOT a production release.
This is your doing.  At least own your own choices.
--
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*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.
-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly noted.  Grow up!
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need cataract surgery ... on your mind!

 

Bill White

 

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Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?

 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.

-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly noted.  Grow up!
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


David Moore
 

I use the on line Gmail, and I can be more efficient than I can using any client!


On Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 10:11 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:

Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need cataract surgery ... on your mind!

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 6:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?

 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.

-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly noted.  Grow up!
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

Besides, who is to blame is beside the point. Whether I saw it now by mistakenly downloading 102 before I should have or whether I waited until Mozilla offered it through the update channel, the point was that I could see where Thunderbird was going and I didn't like it, so it is time to look for something to replace it with.

Throwing out blame was pointless and accomplished nothing.

Now can we just drop it and get back to the original question?

Gene...

On 7/10/2022 10:11 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need cataract surgery ... on your mind!
Bill White
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*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2022 6:58 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.
-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly noted.  Grow up!
--
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
**Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

Maybe its the settings I use but I find that in my case I'm just the opposite. I am much more efficient with an email client than with the GMail web site.

Its a pity that the old Outlook Express is no more. Although it had news group access that I didn't need, its email client was simple and easy and did everything I needed from an email client.

There something called OE classic but it is completely inaccessible through a screen reader, or at least it was the last time I tried it.

https://www.oeclassic.com

Gene...

On 7/10/2022 10:18 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the on line Gmail, and I can be more efficient than I can using any client!
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 10:11 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>> wrote:
Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is
horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need
cataract surgery ... on your mind!____
__ __
Bill White____
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billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>____
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[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>] *On Behalf
Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Sunday, July 10, 2022 6:58 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?____
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On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:____
If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying
nothing at all.____
-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly
noted.  Grow up!
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**Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
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__


Chris Hill
 

Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH

On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:
First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...











Curtis Delzer
 

HI, try Becky mail from

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm

I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.

On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:
First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...














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curtis@...


Tom X
 

Hi,


The part I like about Tbird is that it is simple to make a backup copy of the roaming, Thunderbird folder or just the profiles folder.


Having a copy of the profiles folder backed up every couple of weeks, has got me out of trouble numerous times.  .


Maybe other email clients also have this feature but Outlook 2013 certainly did not which is why that client is not used any more by me.


Tom

On 11/07/2022 2:08 pm, Curtis Delzer wrote:
HI, try Becky mail from

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm

I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.

On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:
First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...
















Curtis Delzer
 

You can copy Becky's "everything" folder which is under the  main "my documents folder by default.

all of your different profiles are stored within that main folder:

"C:\Users\admin\Documents\Becky"

On 7/10/2022 9:27 PM, Tom X via groups.io wrote:
Hi,


The part I like about Tbird is that it is simple to make a backup copy of the roaming, Thunderbird folder or just the profiles folder.


Having a copy of the profiles folder backed up every couple of weeks, has got me out of trouble numerous times.  .


Maybe other email clients also have this feature but Outlook 2013 certainly did not which is why that client is not used any more by me.


Tom


On 11/07/2022 2:08 pm, Curtis Delzer wrote:
HI, try Becky mail from

http://www.rimarts.co.jp/becky.htm

I came from Becky to t-bird, but there isn't any good and accessibility reasoning I used to keep with t-bird. Becky's filters are somewhat easier to use, and Becky is not free except the first 40 days, and if you wish the archive I'll make a link for you. There is a specialized help file for Becky, like Audacity, for example, which is quite comprehensive.

On 7/10/2022 7:37 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Different strokes, I guess.  I just messed with the address book, and for what little use I make of it, I guess it will be fine.  Most of what I need to do is go delete old stuff, and other than a little extra tabbing around, it is good enough.

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:50, Gene Warner wrote:
First there was this new Spaces button in the tab order that I would have preferred to be able to remove as I did not need it, but I could live with that.

What really did it for and caused me to go back to 91 was that the address book was completely different, so different that it wasn't a matter of just getting used to it, I found it much more difficult to manage. The simple list of contacts was gone, it was replaced with a drop down list. So I looked for options that might restore the address book to what I preferred, but could not find anything.

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 7:32 PM, Chris Hill wrote:
Hmmm, I'm running 102, and it seems basically the same to me.  What problems were you having?

CH


On 7/10/2022 18:29, Gene Warner wrote:
Hi everyone!

I recently upgraded Thunderbird to version 102 from version91 and wow! I did not like the changes at all, in fact I just finished downgrading it back to version 91.

The problem now is that I won't be getting any more updates, especially any security fixes that might come up. So now I am in the hunt for something to replace it. I don't need the kitchen sink thrown at me like Outlook does. I just need a simple and accessible email client that can do IMAP. I use GMail and want to keep my email on the server. Any recommendations?

I was also using Thunderbird's RSS capability  to monitor the podcasts for new episodes to download on my Victor Reader since I have it set up for manual downloading of podcast episodes, but that is for another topic.

Thanks!

Gene...

















--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...


Nermin
 

Hi Brian,


TB 102 is a regular version, no beta. At least I am not on any beta programme and was offered that version as an update from TB 91.


Regards,

Nermin


Gerald Levy
 


Well, good luck finding a replacement for Thunderbird, because if you are looking for a free email client that offers comparable accessibility and features, you will have a tough time finding one.  You could switch to the Windows 10 Mail app, but if you didn't like Thunderbird, you will almost certainly hate, hate, hate this email client.  Your only other option would be Outlook, which of course, isn't free, or some other paid client like Becky's Email, which I am not familiar with.  Happy searching.


Gerald



On 7/10/2022 10:23 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Besides, who is to blame is beside the point. Whether I saw it now by mistakenly downloading 102 before I should have or whether I waited until Mozilla offered it through the update channel, the point was that I could see where Thunderbird was going and I didn't like it, so it is time to look for something to replace it with.

Throwing out blame was pointless and accomplished nothing.

Now can we just drop it and get back to the original question?

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 10:11 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need cataract surgery ... on your mind!

Bill White

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*Subject:* Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?

On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying nothing at all.

-
No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly noted.  Grow up!
-- 

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

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dennis
 

ninite has it as official and that's where i got 102.

On 7/10/2022 7:33 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:19 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Then 102 should be marked as a beta and not an official release which is how it is marked in their releases directory.
-
But it's clear exactly what it is on the release notes page.

It's simple, really, if you are not being offered an update via the installed version, which is on the release channel, then anything you download is NOT a production release.

This is your doing.  At least own your own choices.
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dennis
 

same here.

On 7/10/2022 9:34 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Maybe its the settings I use but I find that in my case I'm just the opposite. I am much more efficient with an email client than with the GMail web site.

Its a pity that the old Outlook Express is no more. Although it had news group access that I didn't need, its email client was simple and easy and did everything I needed from an email client.

There something called OE classic but it is completely inaccessible through a screen reader, or at least it was the last time I tried it.

https://www.oeclassic.com

Gene...


On 7/10/2022 10:18 PM, David Moore wrote:
I use the on line Gmail, and I can be more efficient than I can using any client!


On Sun, Jul 10, 2022, 10:11 PM Bill White <billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>> wrote:

    Hi, Brian. Gene didn't have to deflect anything. Your aim is
    horrible. Maybe we're the ones who are sighted, and maybe you need
    cataract surgery ... on your mind!____

    __ __

    Bill White____

    __ __

    billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>____

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    *Subject:* Re: Replacement for Thunderbird?____

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    On Sun, Jul 10, 2022 at 08:41 PM, Gene Warner wrote:____

    If you don't have anything nice to say, you should try saying
    nothing at all.____

    -
    No, Gene.  And your deflections, and that's all they are, are duly
    noted.  Grow up!
    -- ____

    Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 ____

    **Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is
    complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
    *     ~ Lauren Bacall____

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