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moderated Reading pdfs with confidence


Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

The best reading experience for PDF files is in Chrome I believe.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 June 2020 19:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Tom Behler
 

Steve:

I use Google Chrome as my main web browser.

How do you get to the PDF reader in Chrome.

Right now, I either read PDF's through Adobe Acrobat DC, or convert them to
word documents in Microsoft 365.

Tom Behler

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi,

The best reading experience for PDF files is in Chrome I believe.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 June 2020 19:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

I'm a fan of opening them in Word by default, but Chrome is good also. I'm
not sure on what basis to choose one over the other.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi,

The best reading experience for PDF files is in Chrome I believe.

All the best

Steve

--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
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T: +44(0)1438-742286
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F: +44(0)1438-759589
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 June 2020 19:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Rahul Bajaj
 

Only problems in Chrome are:
A. Copying text directly is not possible. You have to do it through speech history.
B. More importantly, you cannot navigate the document in para-wise form. Either you must go line by line or say all. The paras are not cleanly presented, as they are in Adobe.

But still better than Adobe.

Rahul

On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I'm a fan of opening them in Word by default, but Chrome is good also. I'm
not sure on what basis to choose one over the other.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi,

The best reading experience for PDF files is in Chrome I believe.

All the best

Steve

--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
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T: +44(0)1438-742286
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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 June 2020 19:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

















 

Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Justin Williams
 

I remember hearing about a pdf converter which converts thme to word.

 

I can't remember the name.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Sharon
 

Copy text through speech history?
Can you elaborate on how to do so?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Only problems in Chrome are:
A. Copying text directly is not possible. You have to do it through speech history.
B. More importantly, you cannot navigate the document in para-wise form. Either you must go line by line or say all. The paras are not cleanly presented, as they are in Adobe.

But still better than Adobe.

Rahul
On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I'm a fan of opening them in Word by default, but Chrome is good
also. I'm not sure on what basis to choose one over the other.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi,

The best reading experience for PDF files is in Chrome I believe.

All the best

Steve

--
Computer Room Services
77 Exeter Close
Stevenage
Hertfordshire
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T: +44(0)1438-742286
M: +44(0)7956-334938
F: +44(0)1438-759589
E: steve@...
W: https://www.comproom.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 June 2020 19:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

















Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

With Microsoft 365, and probably with stand-alone Word versions for a while, opening in PDF is a free feature.  I used to use the SendTo menu to send documents to Word, now I’ve just made it the default.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

I remember hearing about a pdf converter which converts thme to word.

 

I can't remember the name.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 01:29 PM, Justin Williams wrote:
I remember hearing about a pdf converter which converts them to word.
Unless you have a really, really old version of Office, Word itself has been able to read in PDFs and save them out as MS-Word format it you so choose.  Many don't bother saving the converted result, but prefer to read the PDF in MS-Word.

The conversion is not always perfect, but it's generally pretty darned good if the PDF is not an ancient image-scanned PDF.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Bill White
 

Hi, Sharon. In order to copy text through speech history, you must first have JAWS read the text through Say All, then, once JAWS has read the text, use JAWS key plus SPACE, followed by the letter H.

This will take you to JAWS Speech History. Speech History will only save a few lines, however. Once in Speech History, CONTROL plus A will select all text within Speech History, and once selected, all the text within Speech History can be copied to the clipboard, and pasted into whichever application as desired, such as Notepad, Microsoft Word, or into an email message.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:33 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Copy text through speech history?
Can you elaborate on how to do so?
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Only problems in Chrome are:
A. Copying text directly is not possible. You have to do it through speech history.
B. More importantly, you cannot navigate the document in para-wise form. Either you must go line by line or say all. The paras are not cleanly presented, as they are in Adobe.

But still better than Adobe.

Rahul
On Jul 17, 2020, at 8:44 PM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I'm a fan of opening them in Word by default, but Chrome is good
also. I'm not sure on what basis to choose one over the other.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 10:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi,

The best reading experience for PDF files is in Chrome I believe.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: 24 June 2020 19:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

















Adrian Spratt
 

I tried to open a PDF file in Word 2016 the other day, but I got a message requiring a subscription fee.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

With Microsoft 365, and probably with stand-alone Word versions for a while, opening in PDF is a free feature.  I used to use the SendTo menu to send documents to Word, now I’ve just made it the default.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Justin Williams
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

I remember hearing about a pdf converter which converts thme to word.

 

I can't remember the name.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Mich Verrier
 

PDF to txt is the program that comes to mind from Mich


On Jul 17, 2020, at 1:29 PM, Justin Williams <justin.williams2@...> wrote:



I remember hearing about a pdf converter which converts thme to word.

 

I can't remember the name.

 

Justin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 05:44 PM, Adrian Spratt wrote:
I tried to open a PDF file in Word 2016 the other day, but I got a message requiring a subscription fee
Then something is wrong with your Office 2016 install.  This has been standard, non-subscription functionality since Office 2013 (I think, it may be as far back as 2010, but I don't think so).

I have Office 2016 and can open PDFs from within Word with no nags whatsoever beyond the warning (for which I have intentionally not checked the Don't show this message again checkbox) that Word will reformat the PDF file and the result may not be absolutely exact.

I can also bring up the context menu for a PDF file and choose Word from the apps in the Open with item.
 
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The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Klaus Vielhauer
 

Brian,


I did not like the PDF engine that comes with Edge, there for in Edge settings I have disabled PDF processing.

now PDF is automatically downloaded and I have manually open it with AKrobat DC reader.

So far I was not able that it is opened in Akrobat without download.

Klaus


On 7/17/2020 7:14 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Just curious if anyone has given new Chromium-based Edge an whirl with regard to reading PDFs?  Early reports in the Win10 for Screen Reader Users group were quite positive.  Even if you don't use it for anything else, it might be useful for PDFs if it does what you (some random you) are looking for.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 1909, Build 18363  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

I'm late to this, but the best reading experience for me is Chrome. You get
all the headings as well.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dean Martineau
Sent: 24 June 2020 21:38
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but
that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable
to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Steve Nutt
 

Yes, it also misses I's and L's if the font is a bit weird. I prefer Chrome for reading.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: 24 June 2020 21:43
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul
















Steve Nutt
 

QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul
















Rahul Bajaj
 

Steve, is there a way to read pdfs in chrome para-wise smoothly? Line by line and say all are laborious. It divides paras very unnaturally. Not smooth at all.

On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

























Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

This entire discussion continues to convince me, with perhaps some exceptions, that the best way to deal with PDFs, assuming you have Microsoft 365 on your system, is to set them up to open in Word. Word has no problem with paragraphs. The exception that I have found is a student textbook I opened in Word and which contained a myriad graphics which for me were entirely useless. I didn't try it in Adobe reader. But all the other PDFs I've been opening lately have been effortless to read in Word.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:26 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Steve, is there a way to read pdfs in chrome para-wise smoothly? Line by line and say all are laborious. It divides paras very unnaturally. Not smooth at all.
On Jul 23, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:

QRead is never updated though and there is no support for it.

All the best

Steve

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E: steve@...
W: https://www.comproom.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: 24 June 2020 22:07
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul

























 

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 07:42 AM, Dean Martineau wrote:
assuming you have Microsoft 365 on your system, is to set them up to open in Word.
And, to add to that, it need not be Office 365.  The ability to open PDF files within Word, where it converts them, has been around since at least Word 2013.  It may even have been available in Word 2010, but I no longer have a system with Office 2010 to double-check that on.
 
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