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moderated Reading pdfs with confidence


Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Bill White
 

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Sharon
 

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Tony
 

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Dean Martineau
 

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but
that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable
to Adobe Reader.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Rahul Bajaj
 

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul

On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but
that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable
to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul
















Sharon
 

Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul
















JM Casey
 

It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is that
it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't really have
many features and in some cases you may still be better off using Adobe. I
think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the type of books you would
read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

I have actually found that QRead works quite well for most PDF documents I have used it with, including many technical manuals. For me, it is usually my first choice to try when reading a PDF.

Pam


________________________________________
From: main@jfw.groups.io [main@jfw.groups.io] on behalf of JM Casey via groups.io [jmcasey=teksavvy.com@groups.io]
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is that
it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't really have
many features and in some cases you may still be better off using Adobe. I
think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the type of books you would
read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Bill White
 

Sometimes, you have to try something else instead of
Infer reading order from document (recommended)

This means choosing from one of the two remaining options,

Left-to-right, top-to-bottom reading order

Use reading order in raw print stream

Usually, if you choose one of the other two options, it renders the pdf
better than
Infer reading order from document

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Ann Byrne
 

K1000 does an excellent job.

At 04:06 PM 6/24/2020, you wrote:
Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good ideas. If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill
White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul



















Tim Ford
 

How would I make that Word setup in Windows 10?

Tim Ford

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean
Martineau
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but
that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable
to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Bill White
 

The easiest way is to find a pdf document among your documents. Arrow to
that document, but don't open it.

1. Press ALT plus ENTER for Properties.
2. Press SHIFT plus TAB once to get to the "Change" button, and press ENTER.
3. Press SHIFT plus TAB again to get to the list of apps you can associate
with PDF files.
4. Choose Microsoft Word from the list of apps.
5. TAB to the "Apply" button, and press ENTER.
6. Tab to the "OK" button, and press ENTER.

That's it. You have changed your default pdf reader to Microsoft Word.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tim Ford
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

How would I make that Word setup in Windows 10?

Tim Ford


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dean
Martineau
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered problems, but
that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I find it far preferable
to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Sharon
 

It will also read pretty large books.
For example, I do read study bibles with it, and they are pretty long.
But it does have its limitations.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is that
it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't really have
many features and in some cases you may still be better off using Adobe. I
think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the type of books you would
read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Sharon
 

Yes, that is another excellent choice.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 6:08 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

K1000 does an excellent job.
At 04:06 PM 6/24/2020, you wrote:
Again, qread takes care of all these problems, and is much more doable
than pdf.
Lots of times pdf files will have all the words run together without
spaces, but qread separates all the words.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:43 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

With notepad and qread, para-wise navigation is not possible. And
reading the document line by line or through say all are both not good
ideas.
If you open it in word, it can sometimes miss things. I have seen this
happen.

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 2:08 AM, Dean Martineau <topdot@...> wrote:

I have made Word my default PDF reader. I haven't encountered
problems, but that of course doesn't mean I won't encounter them. I
find it far preferable to Adobe Reader.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were
omitted causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to
select all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able
to bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I
fail to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get
around it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and
can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf
a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one
do?

Rahul



















JM Casey
 

It doesn't seem to track very well with my braille display, sadly. I usually
use it to open pdf, mobi or epub files, and then convert to good ole' plain
text and just read 'em in notepad.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It will also read pretty large books.
For example, I do read study bibles with it, and they are pretty long.
But it does have its limitations.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is that
it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't really have
many features and in some cases you may still be better off using Adobe. I
think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the type of books you would
read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul


Rahul Bajaj
 

I have QRead. However, like I said earlier, you cannot go para by para in it. It’s just line by line or say all. And those are not feasible for large docs, in which you need to skim through some things and read the rest with care.

Adobe Reader is mostly fine. Except for slight jumping and words being jumbled up sometimes. I am just worried about skating over content or going to the wrong place in the document by mistake. Can you confirm that the jump is generally only of 1 or 2 lines and only when turning pages?

Rahul

On Jun 25, 2020, at 8:19 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

It doesn't seem to track very well with my braille display, sadly. I usually
use it to open pdf, mobi or epub files, and then convert to good ole' plain
text and just read 'em in notepad.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It will also read pretty large books.
For example, I do read study bibles with it, and they are pretty long.
But it does have its limitations.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is that
it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't really have
many features and in some cases you may still be better off using Adobe. I
think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the type of books you would
read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul















Sharon
 

I do know that headings are displayed in bookshare books.
The find command is also very useful.
By tabbing you can find your position in the text, so you can kind of tell of you've skipped quite a bit and get back fairly easily.
I use it for all kinds of books--reference, textbooks, etc.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 12:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

I have QRead. However, like I said earlier, you cannot go para by para in it. It’s just line by line or say all. And those are not feasible for large docs, in which you need to skim through some things and read the rest with care.

Adobe Reader is mostly fine. Except for slight jumping and words being jumbled up sometimes. I am just worried about skating over content or going to the wrong place in the document by mistake. Can you confirm that the jump is generally only of 1 or 2 lines and only when turning pages?

Rahul
On Jun 25, 2020, at 8:19 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

It doesn't seem to track very well with my braille display, sadly. I
usually use it to open pdf, mobi or epub files, and then convert to
good ole' plain text and just read 'em in notepad.



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 9:16 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It will also read pretty large books.
For example, I do read study bibles with it, and they are pretty long.
But it does have its limitations.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is
that it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't
really have many features and in some cases you may still be better
off using Adobe. I think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the
type of books you would read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon
Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.
Sharon

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its
own accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to
another. and has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to
bring it back where I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried.
That I might miss some vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail
to notice the jump. Does anyone else face this? How do you get around
it? Converting every pdf into word is not very viable.. and can muff
up footnotes. Copy pasting it into word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page
word doc. And makes quick reading very hard. So what can one do?

Rahul















David Griffith
 

I agree that there is a problem with using Q Read  with jaws if you want to read by paragraph but you should be aware that this problem disappears with an alternative screenreader like Narrator.

If you use control down arrow in Q Read with Narrator running the content reads absolutely predictably and fine, at least it does here.

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rahul Bajaj
Sent: 25 June 2020 05:42
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

 

I have QRead. However, like I said earlier, you cannot go para by para in it. It’s just line by line or say all. And those are not feasible for large docs, in which you need to skim through some things and read the rest with care.

 

Adobe Reader is mostly fine. Except for slight jumping and words being jumbled up sometimes. I am just worried about skating over content or going to the wrong place in the document by mistake. Can you confirm that the jump is generally only of 1 or 2 lines and only when turning pages?

 

Rahul

> On Jun 25, 2020, at 8:19 AM, JM Casey <jmcasey@...> wrote:

>

> It doesn't seem to track very well with my braille display, sadly. I usually

> use it to open pdf, mobi or epub files, and then convert to good ole' plain

> text and just read 'em in notepad.

>

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon

> Sent: June 24, 2020 9:16 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

>

> It will also read pretty large books.

> For example, I do read study bibles with it, and they are pretty long.

> But it does have its limitations.

> Sharon

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey

> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 5:10 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

>

> It does work and was worth the purchase, but an important caveat is that

> it's really meant for very simple documents only. It doesn't really have

> many features and in some cases you may still be better off using Adobe. I

> think it's mostly designed for e-books, as in, the type of books you would

> read for pleasure -- and it works very well for that purpose.

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sharon

> Sent: June 24, 2020 3:28 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

>

> Purchase qread and read pdfs using that. It works way better than Adobe.

> Sharon

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj

> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 2:39 PM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

>

> Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own

> accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and

> has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where

> I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some

> vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does

> anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into

> word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into

> word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very

> hard. So what can one do?

>

> Rahul

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 


Russell Solowoniuk
 

Hi all,

I've had this beef with JAWS and reading PDF documents forever! In a long
PDF, when you press CTRL plus PageDown to go to the next page, the focus
ends up somewhere in the middle of the next page instead of at the top of
the page, so I must first give the CTRL plus Home command to go to the top
of the page before starting to read the page. I've written to FS about this
issue several times, but they never seem to bother fixing it. NVDA, on the
other hand, places focus at the top of the next page when pressing CTRL plus
PageDown, so it is possible to do. I guess FS doesn't think it's important
enough to worry about. Very frustrating!

Thanks,

Russell

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 4:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Sometimes, you have to try something else instead of
Infer reading order from document (recommended)

This means choosing from one of the two remaining options,

Left-to-right, top-to-bottom reading order

Use reading order in raw print stream

Usually, if you choose one of the other two options, it renders the pdf
better than
Infer reading order from document

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

When I have tried this in the past many spaces between words were omitted
causing run-on words.

Haven't tried it in a few years.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 1:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi, Rahul. Instead of reading the pdf in Word, Press CONTROL A to select
all, copy all the text into Notepad, and try reading it as text.

Bill White
billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rahul
Bajaj
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2020 11:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Reading pdfs with confidence

Hi. I open PDFs in Adobe Reader. JAWS sometimes jumps around of its own
accord in pdfs, especially when transitioning from one page to another. and
has to be redirected. Even jaws 2020. While I am able to bring it back where
I need to when it jumps, I remain quite worried. That I might miss some
vital info or internalize it wrongly if I fail to notice the jump. Does
anyone else face this? How do you get around it? Converting every pdf into
word is not very viable.. and can muff up footnotes. Copy pasting it into
word makes a 10 page pdf a 30 page word doc. And makes quick reading very
hard. So what can one do?

Rahul