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moderated reading pdf documents with jaws.


Patrick Murphy
 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


Glenn / Lenny
 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.
Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.
I would not use Word for a PDF.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


Dan Longmore
 

There are some formatting issues but we’re does fine opening PDFs and even saving them the PDFs


On Jul 15, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Glenn / Lenny <glennervin@...> wrote:


You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.
Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.
I would not use Word for a PDF.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


Dan Longmore
 

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if the column is truncated and the words are not visible.


Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

Word is my default PDF viewer with Microsoft 365 and JFW 2020. I would be interested in side-by-side comparisons that demonstrate why Word is such a bad tool. My only comparison was using Adobe Reader and Word to process a large table, and Word was significantly better.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.

Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.

I would not use Word for a PDF.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


Glenn / Lenny
 

Perhaps it does, I use an old Office, so I have never used a newer MS Word.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:46 PM
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Word is my default PDF viewer with Microsoft 365 and JFW 2020. I would be interested in side-by-side comparisons that demonstrate why Word is such a bad tool. My only comparison was using Adobe Reader and Word to process a large table, and Word was significantly better.

 

Dean

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 1:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

You can open it in a browser, like fire fox or Chrome or Edge.

Also, if you silence it in word or whatever, try using the Jaws cursor.

I would not use Word for a PDF.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 12:19 PM

Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 


Patrick Murphy
 

Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.


Justin Williams
 

Copy it into notpad.

Thanks,

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick
Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 4:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.


Ann Byrne
 

To be alerted when text is covered up in Excel, in quick settings (insert-v) check the box for cell text visibility detection.

At 03:18 PM 7/15/2020, you wrote:
Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.




Patrick Murphy
 

Thanks for that. It still reads the text, but at least, it tells me whether
or not it expands over the cell or it is cropped.

Regards,
Pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 23:21
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

To be alerted when text is covered up in Excel, in quick settings
(insert-v) check the box for cell text visibility detection.
At 03:18 PM 7/15/2020, you wrote:
Hi Dan,

Yes, this is exactly my problem.
The information is being read even if it cannot be seen.
I am using an old version of office, but i have the latest update for adobe
reader.
Is there any way that you know of, to have only those words read out that
are visible?
My problem is, that when i save something to send to someone else, i think,
that the formatting is all right, as jaws reads everything.
Its only when someone asks "where is my info" that i find out it is not
there.
I tried saving it as a web page, but this is of little use either.
I read somewhere on the web, that if you select the entire work sheet and
then paste it into word, it creates a table.
Yes it does, and jaws reads it out, but if there is too much text in the
table column, it is wrapped in a way, that the first line of text seems to
belong to the column above it.
Again, this can only be verified by someone who can see it.

pat

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dan
Longmore
Sent: Wednesday 15 July 2020 19:36
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

The screen reader will always read all of the text in an XL column even if
the column is truncated and the words are not visible.




Van Lant, Robin
 

My guess is that, while JAWS can read the cell contents to you, the cell width is actually not wide enough to show all the text you typed visually.  I’ve had this before when printing handouts for people.  Unfortunately, I cannot find a verbosity setting in JAWS to turn on a notification.  I used to have a setting turned on that would say “Clipped” when the text was cut off, but I wonder if that was back when I used Window Eyes, because I’m not finding a setting to toggle for that.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

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Zel Iscel
 

That’s interesting because in excel, I don’t get Jaws to read me everything in the cell if the row height or width is too small for the text. I press alt and H, then Jaws o then i to increase the row height and Alt h then o then w to increase the width. After that all the text in the cell is read out.

 

In PDF and Word docs, Jaws reads whatever is in the cell regardless of whether the text fits or not.

 

Cheers

Zel

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Disability Specialist

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, 18 July 2020 6:44 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

My guess is that, while JAWS can read the cell contents to you, the cell width is actually not wide enough to show all the text you typed visually.  I’ve had this before when printing handouts for people.  Unfortunately, I cannot find a verbosity setting in JAWS to turn on a notification.  I used to have a setting turned on that would say “Clipped” when the text was cut off, but I wonder if that was back when I used Window Eyes, because I’m not finding a setting to toggle for that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: reading pdf documents with jaws.

 

Hi,

 

I am using excel and ms word.

When i save files as pdf, jaws reads out text even if it cannot be seen.

I had my son look at a particular document, and this is basically what he told me.

 

I had 8 cells of excel merged.

In this i had “if you have any questions in relation to this, please contact the company using the details above”.

When i look at it in excel, jaws reads out the entire thing.

When i save it as a pdf, jaws reads out the entire thing.

However, when my son looks at the pdf, he only sees the text as far as the word “using”.

Everything after this is truncated.

With regard to word, if i create a table, and things are not properly presented in the columns, jaws just reads it as if everything is ok.

For example, if there is too much text in a column of a table, to the eye, it looks like it is “pushed” up.

At least, thats the way my son explained it to me.

However, as i said, jaws reads it just fine in word and as a pdf.

I suppose, basically what i am trying to get at here, is:

Does anyone know of a way, to have jaws just read out what someone with sight would actually see?

To have jaws speaking text that is hidden from the eye, is causing problems.

 

Regards,

 

pat

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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