moderated problem with Google Chrome


Kevin Meyers
 

Hello, I will be on a web page using Google Chrome. Out of the clear blue Chrome started showing various key strokes. Such as back with left arrow, forward with right arrow, print, inspect, etc. I can move to a different window and then back and the screen is gone. As soon as I start to move around the screen comes back. I uninstalled chrome and downloaded a new exe file and installed it. Problem still exists. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What can be done to stop this from occurring?


Bill White
 

Hi, Kevin. Yes, I have seen this problem in the latest version of Chrome. What is happening is that somehow, when you try to invoke some keystroke, it is bringing up the context menu which shows options for back, forward, etc. I think we are going to have to wait until feedback reaches the folks that put out the new versions of Chrome, and a new version is released.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: problem with Google Chrome

 

Hello, I will be on a web page using Google Chrome. Out of the clear blue Chrome started showing various key strokes. Such as back with left arrow, forward with right arrow, print, inspect, etc. I can move to a different window and then back and the screen is gone. As soon as I start to move around the screen comes back. I uninstalled chrome and downloaded a new exe file and installed it. Problem still exists. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What can be done to stop this from occurring?


Kevin Meyers
 

Thanks!

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 3:33 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

 

Hi, Kevin. Yes, I have seen this problem in the latest version of Chrome. What is happening is that somehow, when you try to invoke some keystroke, it is bringing up the context menu which shows options for back, forward, etc. I think we are going to have to wait until feedback reaches the folks that put out the new versions of Chrome, and a new version is released.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 1:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: problem with Google Chrome

 

Hello, I will be on a web page using Google Chrome. Out of the clear blue Chrome started showing various key strokes. Such as back with left arrow, forward with right arrow, print, inspect, etc. I can move to a different window and then back and the screen is gone. As soon as I start to move around the screen comes back. I uninstalled chrome and downloaded a new exe file and installed it. Problem still exists. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What can be done to stop this from occurring?


Nicholas Stevens (Mweb)
 

I’ve been experiencing the exact same issue since the Chrome update installed on my computer.

To resolve the issue temporarily, I have re-installed an earlier version of chrome.


Mich Verrier
 

I have incounterd this only if I  hit the windows 10 key. From Mich.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: October 1, 2022 4:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: problem with Google Chrome

 

Hello, I will be on a web page using Google Chrome. Out of the clear blue Chrome started showing various key strokes. Such as back with left arrow, forward with right arrow, print, inspect, etc. I can move to a different window and then back and the screen is gone. As soon as I start to move around the screen comes back. I uninstalled chrome and downloaded a new exe file and installed it. Problem still exists. Has anyone else encountered this problem? What can be done to stop this from occurring?


Nicholas Stevens (Mweb)
 

Hi members,

Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?

I have tried rolling back to an earlier version of Chrome but every time I open Chrome it automatically pushes out the latest update.

Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.

Regards

Nicholas Stevens


 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:45 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:
Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?
-
No.  And I don't say this in a snarky way, but we're now in the age of virtually every piece of software in "as a service" mode, where automatic updating is the norm, and it's not going away.

Yes, this poses occasional issues, I won't deny, but in the case of web browsers you (the generic you) should have basic skills with at least two, preferably three, as there have been occasions for as long as I've been working in the screen reader world where a given screen reader and a given browser (or website in a given browser) just do not play well together.

There are times when you're going to have to punt to your second choice.  It's a fact of cyberlife in the 21st century.

That's why having basic skill with an alternate screen reader is essential, too, as sometimes it's necessary to use an alternative in a pinch.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Gene Warner
 

Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating. I know because I did it to Edge. I'll look up how I did it and post it here.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 7:08 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:45 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:
Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?
-
No.  And I don't say this in a snarky way, but we're now in the age of virtually every piece of software in "as a service" mode, where automatic updating is the norm, and it's not going away.
Yes, this poses occasional issues, I won't deny, but in the case of web browsers you (the generic you) should have basic skills with at least two, preferably three, as there have been occasions for as long as I've been working in the screen reader world where a given screen reader and a given browser (or website in a given browser) just do not play well together.
There are times when you're going to have to punt to your second choice.  It's a fact of cyberlife in the 21st century.
That's why having basic skill with an alternate screen reader is essential, too, as sometimes it's necessary to use an alternative in a pinch.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*
    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Gene Warner
 

I did this to Edge so I can't be 100% sure about the names or locations, but they should be very close to what you need to look for.

These instructions assume you know your way around Windows so they are not step by step instructions.

First in the Services section of Computer Management, you need to stop and disable these three services: (some of them may not be running so just disable those)

Google Chrome Elevation Service (GoogleChromeElevationService)
Google Chrome Update Service (chromeupdate)
Google Chrome Update Service (chromeupdatem)

You should record the startup option for each, you might need them later if you want to update the browser.

Then in File Explorer go to:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Google

In there you will find a folder named "ChromeUpdate". copy it to a zip file, then delete it.

Optionally reboot or restart Windows.

Now if you ever want to update the browser, just undo these changes, restart, and you are good to go.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 4:09 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:
Hi members,
Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?
I have tried rolling back to an earlier version of Chrome but every time I open Chrome it automatically pushes out the latest update.
Any help in this regard would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Nicholas Stevens


 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 08:18 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating.
-
And having read your post, I can't argue that it can be done, but I'm not going to teach anyone to do that sort of under the hood tweaking.

If you want to do it, fine.  But if it can't be accomplished in the normal user interface then, from my perspective, it can't be done (and shouldn't be done).  As a repair tech by trade, a well as an AT specialist, I say, "That way lies madness," without a trace of hesitation.  Most users will never recall that they've done this over time, and there's a very high probability that they won't or can't ever undo it.  That can lead to some very, very bad results, far worse than temporary accessibility problems with a web browser.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


James Homuth
 

Depending on the website, you can work around this temporarily by using the JAWS cursor to click on the thing you can't click on the usual way. I was able to do this, for example, on Reddit just now.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 8:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating. I know because I did it to Edge. I'll look up how I did it and post it here.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 7:08 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:45 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:

Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?

-
No. And I don't say this in a snarky way, but we're now in the age of
virtually every piece of software in "as a service" mode, where
automatic updating is the norm, and it's not going away.

Yes, this poses occasional issues, I won't deny, but in the case of
web browsers you (the generic you) should have basic skills with at
least two, preferably three, as there have been occasions for as long
as I've been working in the screen reader world where a given screen
reader and a given browser (or website in a given browser) just do not
play well together.

There are times when you're going to have to punt to your second
choice. It's a fact of cyberlife in the 21st century.

That's why having basic skill with an alternate screen reader is
essential, too, as sometimes it's necessary to use an alternative in a
pinch.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be
happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Gene Warner
 

Brian;

I am sick and tired of being scolded by you any time I try to help someone in a way that you don't agree with. It is not your place to dictate to others what kind of information they provide, nor is it your place to dictate to someone what they do with their computer or how they should do whatever it is they want to do.

Besides, that is what taking notes is for, if you are smart you will keep notes on how you've set up your computer and on how you've resolved problems or anything else that you might need to duplicate or to undo. Microsoft One Note is perfect for this, so is notepad if you don't have Microsoft Office.

I am asking the list owner to give you a warning about your behavior on this list and to take action as he or she sees fit to put an end to the way you treat others and their attempts to help when someone asks for assistance.

I sincerely wish that groups.io had a mute user option.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 9:12 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 08:18 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating.
-
And having read your post, I can't argue that it can be done, but I'm not going to teach anyone to do that sort of under the hood tweaking.
If you want to do it, fine.  But if it can't be accomplished in the normal user interface then, from my perspective, it can't be done (and shouldn't be done).  As a repair tech by trade, a well as an AT specialist, I say, "That way lies madness," without a trace of hesitation.  Most users will never recall that they've done this over time, and there's a very high probability that they won't or can't ever undo it.  That can lead to some very, very bad results, far worse than temporary accessibility problems with a web browser.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*
    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 11:23 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
I sincerely wish that groups.io had a mute user option.
-
As do I.  You are one of the most tiresome individuals I've ever had the misfortune to encounter in my years on these groups.

My track record stands for itself, and I am very proud of it.  Were a group owner to ask me to leave, I would do so.  None have.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


James Homuth
 

Gentlemen,

If there is an issue, take it to me privately. If you can't take it to me privately, I will remove your ability to take it publicly.

James,
List Admin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io; main+owner@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

Brian;

I am sick and tired of being scolded by you any time I try to help someone in a way that you don't agree with. It is not your place to dictate to others what kind of information they provide, nor is it your place to dictate to someone what they do with their computer or how they should do whatever it is they want to do.

Besides, that is what taking notes is for, if you are smart you will keep notes on how you've set up your computer and on how you've resolved problems or anything else that you might need to duplicate or to undo.
Microsoft One Note is perfect for this, so is notepad if you don't have Microsoft Office.

I am asking the list owner to give you a warning about your behavior on this list and to take action as he or she sees fit to put an end to the way you treat others and their attempts to help when someone asks for assistance.

I sincerely wish that groups.io had a mute user option.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 9:12 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 08:18 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating.

-
And having read your post, I can't argue that it can be done, but I'm
not going to teach anyone to do that sort of under the hood tweaking.

If you want to do it, fine. But if it can't be accomplished in the
normal user interface then, from my perspective, it can't be done (and
shouldn't be done). As a repair tech by trade, a well as an AT
specialist, I say, "That way lies madness," without a trace of
hesitation. Most users will never recall that they've done this over
time, and there's a very high probability that they won't or can't
ever undo it. That can lead to some very, very bad results, far worse
than temporary accessibility problems with a web browser.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be
happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Nermin
 

Hi,


In his message, Gene clearly stated that you need to know what you're doing if you want the Chrome updates to stop and you need to be aware of it or note it down for future reference.


If anyone wants to use that workaround to keep a version of Chrome that works with JAWS until a later update fixes the underlying issue, then that's their choice and responsibility.

Anyone who is not tech-savvy enough won't even dream of touching the registry or disabling services, unless they are given precise directions and assured that that won't harm their system otherwise.


Also, not everyone wants to deal with 2 or 3 screen readers on their system, even though I agree they provide for a great toolbox if anything does not work correctly with the defaults you're used to.

Understand that there are a lot of people, even to this day, who believe that a PC is a necessity rather than a great resource, sohave the fear of breaking things or learning new screen reader commands.

They may be merely interchangeable concepts to you, but some people just memorise sequences rather than concepts, and understanding that is important.


The fact that Gene and you are taking this to a personal level, and gene sees criticism and attacks whenever he reads a post from you, is a different story and is something you both need to figure out or live with, ignore, whatever.

That pattern can be exhausting and begs for the delete key.


Regards,

Nermin


Kevin Meyers
 

That didn't work as nothing shows up on the screen when I use jaws cursor, route Jaws to PC or route PC to Jaws.

-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 9:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

Depending on the website, you can work around this temporarily by using the JAWS cursor to click on the thing you can't click on the usual way. I was able to do this, for example, on Reddit just now.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 8:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating. I know because I did it to Edge. I'll look up how I did it and post it here.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 7:08 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:45 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:

Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?

-
No. And I don't say this in a snarky way, but we're now in the age of
virtually every piece of software in "as a service" mode, where
automatic updating is the norm, and it's not going away.

Yes, this poses occasional issues, I won't deny, but in the case of
web browsers you (the generic you) should have basic skills with at
least two, preferably three, as there have been occasions for as long
as I've been working in the screen reader world where a given screen
reader and a given browser (or website in a given browser) just do not
play well together.

There are times when you're going to have to punt to your second
choice. It's a fact of cyberlife in the 21st century.

That's why having basic skill with an alternate screen reader is
essential, too, as sometimes it's necessary to use an alternative in a
pinch.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be
happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


James Homuth
 

I did say on some websites. I found a few where that didn't work as well, unfortunately.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kevin Meyers
Sent: October 3, 2022 10:06 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

That didn't work as nothing shows up on the screen when I use jaws cursor, route Jaws to PC or route PC to Jaws.

-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of James Homuth
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 9:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

Depending on the website, you can work around this temporarily by using the JAWS cursor to click on the thing you can't click on the usual way. I was able to do this, for example, on Reddit just now.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 8:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: problem with Google Chrome

Actually there is a way to prevent auto updating. I know because I did it to Edge. I'll look up how I did it and post it here.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 7:08 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 06:45 PM, Nicholas Stevens (Mweb) wrote:

Is there a way to prevent google Chrome from updating?

-
No. And I don't say this in a snarky way, but we're now in the age of
virtually every piece of software in "as a service" mode, where
automatic updating is the norm, and it's not going away.

Yes, this poses occasional issues, I won't deny, but in the case of
web browsers you (the generic you) should have basic skills with at
least two, preferably three, as there have been occasions for as long
as I've been working in the screen reader world where a given screen
reader and a given browser (or website in a given browser) just do not
play well together.

There are times when you're going to have to punt to your second
choice. It's a fact of cyberlife in the 21st century.

That's why having basic skill with an alternate screen reader is
essential, too, as sometimes it's necessary to use an alternative in a
pinch.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be
happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/