On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:

If you’re using a laptop without a NumPad:

Left Mouse Button / Click   =   CAPS LOCK+8 

Right Mouse Button / Click  =  CAPS LOCK+9 

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But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation.  And whether it’s JAWS or any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.

Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10, both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a physical right mouse button click.  There’s really no point in introducing any uncertainty when it’s just not necessary.

Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues surrounding the various choices are clear.  That’s an informed choice.—

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On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:

If you're using a laptop without a NumPad:

Left Mouse Button / Click   =   CAPS LOCK+8 

 

Right Mouse Button / Click  =  CAPS LOCK+9 

 

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But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation.  And whether it's JAWS or any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.

Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10, both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a physical right mouse button click.  There's really no point in introducing any uncertainty when it's just not necessary.

Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues surrounding the various choices are clear.  That's an informed choice.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Yeah. It’s the left click situation taht’s a little bit trickier. Maybe especially for those of us who don’t have a laptop – actually in a situation now where I don’t even know where my physical mouse is as somehow when assembling my new desk/worksation I seem to have misplaced it. Of course it’s not the sort of thing that would even occur to me as I can go weeks without even thinking about a  mouse, but then, boom, suddenly you find yourself at a point where one might be useful and it’s, oh no, where is that blasted thing? I suspect some blind folks don’t even have one.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 04:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:
If you're using a laptop without a NumPad:
Left Mouse Button / Click   =   CAPS LOCK+8
Right Mouse Button / Click  =  CAPS LOCK+9
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But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation.  And whether it's JAWS or any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.
Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10, both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a physical right mouse button click.  There's really no point in introducing any uncertainty when it's just not necessary.
Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues surrounding the various choices are clear.  That's an informed choice.
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Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

I can’t get them selected though… When I hold down shift and press the down arrow all Jaws says is that space is selected

Okay, the problem is that when I bring up the context menu the option to remove an entry doesn’t show up even though I was told by others who us Microsoft 365 that the option is there

By far and away the most reliable method is either using the applications/context menu key if your keyboard happens to have one, or SHIFT + F10 if it does not.  Neither of these involve any emulation and Windows recognizes both.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Yeah. It’s the left click situation taht’s a little bit trickier.
Maybe especially for those of us who don’t have a laptop – actually in
a situation now where I don’t even know where my physical mouse is as
somehow when assembling my new desk/worksation I seem to have
misplaced it. Of course it’s not the sort of thing that would even
occur to me as I can go weeks without even thinking about a mouse,
but then, boom, suddenly you find yourself at a point where one might
be useful and it’s, oh no, where is that blasted thing? I suspect some
blind folks don’t even have one.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 04:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 03:59 PM, Mike B. wrote:

If you're using a laptop without a NumPad:

Left Mouse Button / Click = CAPS LOCK+8

Right Mouse Button / Click = CAPS LOCK+9

-
But, again, this relies on JAWS emulation. And whether it's JAWS or
any other screen reader, mouse button emulation is very frequently hit or miss.

Best practice is the applications/context menu key, or SHIFT + F10,
both of which are native Windows commands that are analogous to a
physical right mouse button click. There's really no point in
introducing any uncertainty when it's just not necessary.

Each can do as he or she sees fit, but only once the issues
surrounding the various choices are clear. That's an informed choice.

--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall

Never knew about this command; I don’t have a number pad
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 3:41 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
Well one keyboard command that might help, maybe you did this too, and it is for knowing what exactly has been selected:
shift + insert + zero (number pad) & 2.
Glenn
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*From:*Madison Martin <mailto:Madison.Martin2000@...>
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:*Friday, August 05, 2022 3:35 PM
*Subject:*Re: preforming a right click
I can’t get them selected though… When I hold down shift and press the down arrow all Jaws says is that space is selected
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 3:23 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
Madison,
Being context sensitive, I wonder if the item you want to perform an action on, is no longer selected.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
*From:*Madison Martin <mailto:Madison.Martin2000@...>
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:*Friday, August 05, 2022 3:21 PM
*Subject:*Re: preforming a right click
Okay, the problem is that when I bring up the context menu the option to remove an entry doesn’t show up even though I was told by others who us Microsoft 365 that the option is there
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 5, 2022 2:36 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
By far and away the most reliable method is either using the applications/context menu key if your keyboard happens to have one, or SHIFT + F10 if it does not.  Neither of these involve any emulation and Windows recognizes both.
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Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
**Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I suspect some blind folks don’t even have one.
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If that's the case, and we're not talking about a laptop, that would almost certainly be because they threw it away, which is a very bad idea.
I don't know of a single person, blind or not, who doesn't have at least a few occasions where an assistant becomes involved and when most sighted people need to work they have to have a mouse.
I've also never understood why instructors for blind tech do not teach how to "hobble" a mouse such that a real left and right click are available when they are needed, and no emulation works.  It's so simple (and I'm presuming an optical mouse - roller ball mice have been a thing of the past for a long while now):  Put a piece of tape over the laser port underneath, and once you know what it feels like it's impossible to mistake (and there's usually only one "big hole" in the bottom of a mouse).  Once that's done, no amount of moving the mouse will cause the mouse pointer to move, but you still have real left and right click.  If you do this with a small piece of cardboard and tape it can be easier to remove when that might be needed.
In the case of a laptop mouse pad, that's done simply by masking off the track pad area with a piece of cardboard that is at least as thick as a manila folder or, preferably, the back of your average legal pad. Finger touches cannot be detected through this, but the hard left and right mouse buttons are still available (or the left and right push corners where actual separate hard buttons are not present).
Knowing how to create and use a "neutered"/"hobbled" mouse or mouse pad can solve a lot of annoyance.
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Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:31 PM, JM Casey wrote:

They are a pretty loud minority. [Sighted keyboard shortcut users]

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Key word:  minority.   Second key word: loud.

It doesn't change the fact that they're a tiny, tiny portion of the sighted user base.  And we all know, and not just in computing, how a number of tiny, tiny minorities can be very, very loud.  Sometimes that's a positive, others, not so much.
 
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 04:24 PM, Karen Reynolds wrote:

Is there somewhere we can go to find these Windows commands?

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A simple web search on [Windows Keyboard Shortcuts] almost always returns Microsoft's own page documenting them all as the first result.  If it's not the first one, I've never seen it not occur somewhere in the top five.

There used to be separate pages depending on the version of Windows, but in recent years it's a page where you will most likely see the latest version of Windows in a selection dropdown at the top, and where you simply choose another version if you want it's keyboard shortcuts instead.

Most of the core keyboard shortcuts have remained the same for decades now.  There's been the rare occasion where an existing one is changed, but even when that happens it tends to be one of the later ones added as Windows has marched along, not one of the ones we all know and love that have been around since Windows 3.1.
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Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall

Brian, for what it is worth JAWS screen curtain helps a lot with avoiding the mouse. If it is on and I bump my mouse, it says, "Screen shade on. Right click to turn off."
I have done the cardboard thing in the past. Several years ago there was a feature some laptops included for a while with a physical switch to turn off your track pad. I loved that.

Hi.

If you're using a numeric keypad for your JAWS control, it's the key to the left of the JAWS key.

I'm not sure how to do it with the laptop setup.

Kevin, Valerie and Jilly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, August 5, 2022 2:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Oh! I almost forgot, if num lock is turned off, you can also do a right click by pressing the star key or asterisk key on the numeric key pad.

Gene...


On 8/5/2022 2:05 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

Hi all,

Can anyone tell me how to do a right click using Jaws? Someone told me
that it’s alt enter but I tried that and I don’t think it worked.
Since I don’t have any vision I’ve never had to use a mouse so I’ve
never had to learn how to do the functions of a mouse using Jaws. I
have multiple entries of this account when I go into my folder list in
Outlook; I find this rather annoying as I don’t have that with the
other account that I have connected to Outlook so I’d really like to
get rid of the other entries for this account as whenever I open
Outlook it opens the inbox for one of the other entries instead of
this inbox which is rather annoying. I asked on another list and I was
told by multiple people that there’s an option to remove these other
entries but when I bring up the context menu the remove option doesn’t
show up so someone suggested that I try doing a right click to see if
that brings up the option. Someone suggested to call the Microsoft
Disability help desk but since I know that other visually impaired
people can access the remove option I think that I should be able too
as well without calling them for help; if anyone has any other ideas
of how I could try and access this option then I’d love to hear them
as long as it isn’t to remove and add my account again as I did that
once as I accidently removed it when removing another account and when
I added it again all of my contacts were gone so I’m not going through
that again. Using latest versions of Jaws, Microsoft 365 and Windows
11; thanks for any suggestions that anyone can provide me!

Madison