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moderated narrated power points and JAWS


Cynthia Bruce
 

Hi All,

 

I am using JAWS 2020, and my new university employer is requiring that I complete training modules in a couple of different areas. The on line modules were created by the e-learning branch of our institution, and they seem to use narrated power points a lot. I am sure it is possible that I am missing something, but I have tried to access these multiple times and can’t get beyond the introductory slide. The screen just seems to be blank. I used Chrome since tis is what they recommended, but I have tried others using other browsers.

 

Is there a way to move through these, or am I out of luck?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


 

Are you able to download the presentations and run them in native PowerPoint?

I have found over the years that the web-based readers are sometimes problematic.  I try to avoid using browser-based readers for MS-Office documents (regardless of the Office program) whenever possible.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Cynthia Bruce
 

It doesn’t look like I can – they are fully embedded in the on line platform.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2020 11:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Are you able to download the presentations and run them in native PowerPoint?

I have found over the years that the web-based readers are sometimes problematic.  I try to avoid using browser-based readers for MS-Office documents (regardless of the Office program) whenever possible.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


 

Do you have an example that can be viewed without needing to be logged in to something?  Having a working (or non-working) example is the only way I can do any digging around.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Cynthia Bruce
 

Sadly, no, these all require a password. I have reported it to the university, so we will see what they have to say.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2020 11:40 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Do you have an example that can be viewed without needing to be logged in to something?  Having a working (or non-working) example is the only way I can do any digging around.

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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 2004, Build 19041  

The purpose of education is not to validate ignorance but to overcome it.
       ~ Lawrence Krauss


Van Lant, Robin
 

My company does something very similar for many of it’s courses.  I’ve had a conversation with the training team to note that the slides need to be made accessible and they have done some improvements in labelling buttons for the  buttons that advance the slides and some of the interactive elements.  There are still challenges with some o the things I’m supposed to complete on a slide. 

 

Now, to help you potentially, since you have an immediate need.  You can try to use control end to work you way from the end of the slide backwards to see if any elements might be a button to advance the slide.  Also try using Insert F5 or Insert f7 and even Insert Z to turn on Quick keys to see if that makes anything more visible

 

I had one required class that was ridiculously inaccessible. I ended up having an administrative assistant sit at my desk and drive the mouse to click on the buttons.  While you probably don’t hae that option, maybe you could do a web-conference with someone who could click the buttons for you or tell you where to move your pointer to. 

 

If the above ideas don’t work, I’d advise you try AIRA or Be My Eyes, if you have a smart phone to do this. I did this for one course where I couldn’t’ find the button to advance the slide.  This may still not work well, since the button could move on each slide, but it could work.  Be My Eyes is free.  AIRA offers 5 mins per day for free and also has a agreement with Freedom Scientifi, so that might get you some free time.  If you need additional time, you might request reimbursement as an accommodation from your company, since the online class is not accessible a this time.

 

You need to let them know that the course designers need to better label the element’s on the PowerPoint.  I empathise with you. Our online learning system is awkward and it takes me longer to get things done as I bumble around. 

 

If I think of anything else, I’ll let you know. 

 

Robin Van Lant

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 7:39 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Hi All,

 

I am using JAWS 2020, and my new university employer is requiring that I complete training modules in a couple of different areas. The on line modules were created by the e-learning branch of our institution, and they seem to use narrated power points a lot. I am sure it is possible that I am missing something, but I have tried to access these multiple times and can’t get beyond the introductory slide. The screen just seems to be blank. I used Chrome since tis is what they recommended, but I have tried others using other browsers.

 

Is there a way to move through these, or am I out of luck?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia

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Zel Iscel
 

What do you mean by “narrated powerpoints”?

 

 

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Zel Iscel

Disability Specialist

Inclusive World

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2020 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Hi All,

 

I am using JAWS 2020, and my new university employer is requiring that I complete training modules in a couple of different areas. The on line modules were created by the e-learning branch of our institution, and they seem to use narrated power points a lot. I am sure it is possible that I am missing something, but I have tried to access these multiple times and can’t get beyond the introductory slide. The screen just seems to be blank. I used Chrome since tis is what they recommended, but I have tried others using other browsers.

 

Is there a way to move through these, or am I out of luck?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Cynthia Bruce
 

Ha, good question, and I’m not convinced I can answer it well because I have never created one. So, Robin can probably explain better.

 

Essentially, it seems to be a series of power point slides that have a recorded narration. There are also buttons embedded in the slide sometimes to take you to other activities. Right now, I only hear the narration. I can’t read the text on the slide and cant navigate to any of the buttons to either go to activities or advance to the next slide.

 

Thanks, Robin, for your helpful comments – I will check them out.

 

Cynthia

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: October 8, 2020 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: narrated power points and JAWS

 

What do you mean by “narrated powerpoints”?

 

 

image001.jpg

 

Zel Iscel

Disability Specialist

Inclusive World

Mobile: 0413813885

Email: zel@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2020 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Hi All,

 

I am using JAWS 2020, and my new university employer is requiring that I complete training modules in a couple of different areas. The on line modules were created by the e-learning branch of our institution, and they seem to use narrated power points a lot. I am sure it is possible that I am missing something, but I have tried to access these multiple times and can’t get beyond the introductory slide. The screen just seems to be blank. I used Chrome since tis is what they recommended, but I have tried others using other browsers.

 

Is there a way to move through these, or am I out of luck?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Ekstrand, Pamela A. -ND
 

Hi Cynthia,

 

I just had to complete a course for my job that sounds somewhat similar to what you and Robin describe.  I did use AIRA to assist in finding the button to navigate to the next screen.  Actually, once I maximized the particular window where the course contents were, I was able to navigate without many issues after that.  I was also able to access the imbedded buttons that brought up additional information using JAWS.

 

I have another one of these courses due by next week, so I don’t know if my experience will be different with that one.  These courses seem to notoriously have accessibility issues.

 

Pam

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, October 8, 2020 2:18 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Ha, good question, and I’m not convinced I can answer it well because I have never created one. So, Robin can probably explain better.

 

Essentially, it seems to be a series of power point slides that have a recorded narration. There are also buttons embedded in the slide sometimes to take you to other activities. Right now, I only hear the narration. I can’t read the text on the slide and cant navigate to any of the buttons to either go to activities or advance to the next slide.

 

Thanks, Robin, for your helpful comments – I will check them out.

 

Cynthia

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: October 8, 2020 2:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: narrated power points and JAWS

 

What do you mean by “narrated powerpoints”?

 

 

image001.jpg

 

Zel Iscel

Disability Specialist

Inclusive World

Mobile: 0413813885

Email: zel@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cynthia Bruce
Sent: Thursday, 8 October 2020 9:39 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: narrated power points and JAWS

 

Hi All,

 

I am using JAWS 2020, and my new university employer is requiring that I complete training modules in a couple of different areas. The on line modules were created by the e-learning branch of our institution, and they seem to use narrated power points a lot. I am sure it is possible that I am missing something, but I have tried to access these multiple times and can’t get beyond the introductory slide. The screen just seems to be blank. I used Chrome since tis is what they recommended, but I have tried others using other browsers.

 

Is there a way to move through these, or am I out of luck?

 

Thanks,

 

Cynthia


Mark Fisher
 

Hi
Unfortunately eLearning developers and accessibility don't always go hand in hand at the moment. I assume the online courses are Scorm compliant as most HR learning systems would require this for ensuring course completion and tracking etc. We just need to continue to encourage eLearning developers to take into account the needs of people with disability when crating the learning items. That has been my experience. Not sure if pausing the naration and using PictureSmart would help at all - I haven't tried that approach. Sorry I can't   provide any other practical solutions.

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Mark Fisher
Principal - HR Systems
Water Corporation