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more Jaws problems from my list...


Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

Never discussed the processor but FYI… it is an I7.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I think Rick says it’s an I3, but I can’t remember if he said which generation of I3.

Rick, did you try Eloquence?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Curtis Delzer
 

Well I don't like the "breathing" which is like Darth Vader, :) but he can talk fast. Samantha needs to stop smoking. Alison is OK, Karen Australian, is excellent, but not for going real fast. The other male Ossie voice is quite nice as well.

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/3/2019 7:21 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Richard Turner
 


Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?
Richard


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On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Rick Mladek
 

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.

 

I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem

 

I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running

 

The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.

 

You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Rick Mladek
 

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

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On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Richard Turner
 


I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.
Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?
Or NVDA or Narrator?
I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.
Richard


Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59


The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker



On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


marvin kotler
 

With one who has a hearing problem, I still favor eloquence.  Have a lot of trouble with vocalize express.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 4:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Rick Mladek
 

Hi,

 

Jaws 2018 was perfect and as I stated, when 2019 was released, the lag thing was the issue. The problem with spell checker and the java script problems have been around for quite some time, more than 3 versions back I believe.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.

Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?

Or NVDA or Narrator?

I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Curtis Delzer
 

I doubt that narrator handles hardware synths? would love to be wrong wrong wrong. :)

Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA

On 5/3/2019 2:26 PM, Richard Turner wrote:


I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.
Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?
Or NVDA or Narrator?
I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.
Richard


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On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 


Randy Barnett
 

Unless you have completely disconnected the triple talk and used Eloquence then you cant say it is not the triple talk. Be leave me I am the last person that will push you toward new and away from old if the old is the better choice.
But from a PC repair perspective this is just one of the simple tests that one does to pinpoint the real issue. If you arent willing to do this simple test there really isnt any way to help further. Not being a hard a$$ about it. Thats just the way it is with trouble shooting this kind of thing. smiley face
BTW: Is Office 365 doing the same things as Office 10?

On 5/3/2019 1:38 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.

 

I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem

 

I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running

 

The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.

 

You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 



Randy Barnett
 

Have you done a repair of Jaws? open the run command and type the file path to the jaws 2019 install file than a space then /repair
example:
D:\OneDrive\Utilities\J2019.1810.64-any.exe /repair
If you right click on the jaws install file then select copy as path it is much easier.

On 5/3/2019 3:00 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi,

 

Jaws 2018 was perfect and as I stated, when 2019 was released, the lag thing was the issue. The problem with spell checker and the java script problems have been around for quite some time, more than 3 versions back I believe.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.

Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?

Or NVDA or Narrator?

I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 



Rick Mladek
 

Randy,

 

I am CCNA Certified. I know what I am doing. I am seeking possible Jaws corrections. With the problem mentioned, Elequence also does the same, lags/sluggish with MS programs/apps, is nearly impossible to spell check (F7) and the horrible java problems. Get over your thoughts of elequence Vs. any external syn. It is not the external syn…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Unless you have completely disconnected the triple talk and used Eloquence then you cant say it is not the triple talk. Be leave me I am the last person that will push you toward new and away from old if the old is the better choice.

But from a PC repair perspective this is just one of the simple tests that one does to pinpoint the real issue. If you arent willing to do this simple test there really isnt any way to help further. Not being a hard a$$ about it. Thats just the way it is with trouble shooting this kind of thing. smiley face

BTW: Is Office 365 doing the same things as Office 10?

On 5/3/2019 1:38 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.

 

I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem

 

I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running

 

The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.

 

You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Rick Mladek
 

First thing attempted…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:51 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Have you done a repair of Jaws? open the run command and type the file path to the jaws 2019 install file than a space then /repair

example:

D:\OneDrive\Utilities\J2019.1810.64-any.exe /repair

If you right click on the jaws install file then select copy as path it is much easier.

On 5/3/2019 3:00 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Hi,

 

Jaws 2018 was perfect and as I stated, when 2019 was released, the lag thing was the issue. The problem with spell checker and the java script problems have been around for quite some time, more than 3 versions back I believe.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

I'm glad to hear the Triple Talk is supported. I would think being a hardware synth there would be less lag than with a software synth unless Jaws did something to change the way it deals with hardware synths.

Does Jaws 2018 behave the same way?

Or NVDA or Narrator?

I'm late coming to the thread, so that may have already been asked and answered.

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 1:41 PM, Rick Mladek <hmladek@...> wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

I did bring this up with the triple-talk people, Access Technologies, they said their drivers are just fine and yes, I did remove their existing drivers and re-installed them recently.

 

Thanks for the suggestion…

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 3:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

Maybe the Triple Talk drivers need updating?

Richard

 

Check out my web site at: www.turner42.com

“The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.  There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." --Douglas Adams, from Life, The Universe and Everything, p.59

 

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have any." -- Alice Walker

 


On May 3, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <sieghard@...> wrote:

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Dan Longmore
 

As an Apple user,in my opinion, VoiceOver already has voices far superior to JAWS syns and Eloquence. 

I know this is all subjective so just chiming in.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I wonder if people ever suggested it to Apple. I’ll write an email to accessibility@... and do so, maybe  you should too, if enough people asked you never know. I’m sure it would be easy enough for Apple to do this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I would love to see eloquence in the iPhone.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


Randy Barnett
 

It was just a test to eliminate an issue. but the attitude is not going to help you get answers...
If you have reinstalled everything, eliminated the triple talk and did a repair of jaws 2019. Checked all video sound and chip set drivers  then at this point you can go back to 2018 or call FS. There isn't any reason for the issues you are having.
of course you could just dump MS office and go with another office suite and e-mail client. I don't know why people put up with all these issues when there are alternatives out there.

On 5/3/2019 6:09 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

Randy,

 

I am CCNA Certified. I know what I am doing. I am seeking possible Jaws corrections. With the problem mentioned, Elequence also does the same, lags/sluggish with MS programs/apps, is nearly impossible to spell check (F7) and the horrible java problems. Get over your thoughts of elequence Vs. any external syn. It is not the external syn…

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Randy Barnett
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:46 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Unless you have completely disconnected the triple talk and used Eloquence then you cant say it is not the triple talk. Be leave me I am the last person that will push you toward new and away from old if the old is the better choice.

But from a PC repair perspective this is just one of the simple tests that one does to pinpoint the real issue. If you arent willing to do this simple test there really isnt any way to help further. Not being a hard a$$ about it. Thats just the way it is with trouble shooting this kind of thing. smiley face

BTW: Is Office 365 doing the same things as Office 10?

On 5/3/2019 1:38 PM, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have recently done a complete reinstall to all as mentioned.

 

I have plenty of ram, processor and hardware is not the problem

 

I have gone into task manager and msconfig. Nothing running that does not need to be running

 

The problem is Jaws, not the synthesizer egg: triple-talk vs elequence.

 

You seem to not understand and you continuously push elequence. If no other suggestions, end the topic and yes, please lets move on…

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 2:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

You asked for suggestions and me and at least one other person suggested to try Eloquence, but you are not interested in trying it. There is no reason why typing in Outlook on an I7 PC with 8 Gb of RAM should be sluggish unless something else is going on. Trying Eloquence is just one thing you could do to see if it makes a difference or not. I won’t try to come up with further suggestions if you already decided they won’t work, maybe it’s time for a completely fresh install of Windows, Office and Jaws. The only time this ever happened to me was for a bit last year on my I3 system which I think is a sixth generation and it also happened to my sighted employees when Jaws wasn’t running. This seems to have resolved itself, the system still isn’t super fast, but I can type just fine in Outlook.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:03 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hi all,

 

The hardware is not the problem. This began with Jaws version 2019.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

 

What processor does your computer have?  Check in system in control panel and it will tell you.

 

 

On 5/3/2019 05:26, Rick Mladek wrote:

I have spoken to some very successful pc repair people I know and all tell me this is not a Ram issue. The 8 GB I have is more than enough after their peek at resources being allocated through task manager etc. Their lack of knowledge with Jaws has them and I truly believing this is some sort of a Jaws issue. The java script problem on web pages, The difficulty with spell checker within Outlook, The sluggishness within most if not all Microsoft programs. When Jaws is turned off, there is no lag or sluggishness for those able to see the monitor and use the mouse. It is Jaws through and through. Now what lol… To get Jaws to fix the problem, the company that is, or to find one to script a resolution… For most if not all of us… and so it goes.

 

Thanks again,

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Ingram
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 5:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Rick, are you able to get more ram for your system?  If so try it to see if that might also fix your problem.  What harm can increasing the ram could do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Mladek
Sent: May 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

I do not use double-talk… I use triple-talk lol lol lol

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 12:36 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I did make a suggestion, but you never said if you tried it and given how set you are in your ways with Double Talk I assume you didn’t try it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rick Mladek
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Hey all,

 

Past the synthesizer / jaws issues, any suggestions with the other points?

 

Rick

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 12:05 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

It is comparatively low quality, the sample rate is 11 KHZ, but this is good enough for me and many others and means in part that Eloquence uses a minimum of resources.

The sound of the Vocalizer voices is great but they slow down my system appreciably.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: May 2, 2019 10:09 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 



 

For any power user of a computer who needs and wants to work fast and requires the most responsiveness there is little which beat Eloquence. Maybe some hardware synthesizers are equal to Eloquence in speed and responsiveness, but Eloquence has achieved this while also adding better speech quality. Is it human sounding? Absolutely not, but the problem is that the more human sounding a synthesizer is the less pleasant is it to listen to it at high speed. Alexa, the Google Home voice as well as SIRI along with several of the high-end voices from Vocalizer, Neospeech and other companies sound great, but they only do so at normal human speaking speed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

As an Apple user,in my opinion, VoiceOver already has voices far superior to JAWS syns and Eloquence. 

I know this is all subjective so just chiming in.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I wonder if people ever suggested it to Apple. I’ll write an email to accessibility@... and do so, maybe  you should too, if enough people asked you never know. I’m sure it would be easy enough for Apple to do this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I would love to see eloquence in the iPhone.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

 

 

 


David & his pack of dogs
 

Funny you mentioned that.  Because for the sighted my JAWS reads too fast for them to understand it.  The VIP or blind, it is too slow.  The thing is, I live with 2 sighted people and to listen to JAWS at a high speed then listening to them is like driving a racing car around a track then it slams into 30 Mph(50 Kms) to much for my meager brain to take. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: May 5, 2019 7:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

For any power user of a computer who needs and wants to work fast and requires the most responsiveness there is little which beat Eloquence. Maybe some hardware synthesizers are equal to Eloquence in speed and responsiveness, but Eloquence has achieved this while also adding better speech quality. Is it human sounding? Absolutely not, but the problem is that the more human sounding a synthesizer is the less pleasant is it to listen to it at high speed. Alexa, the Google Home voice as well as SIRI along with several of the high-end voices from Vocalizer, Neospeech and other companies sound great, but they only do so at normal human speaking speed.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Longmore
Sent: Saturday, May 4, 2019 7:42 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

As an Apple user,in my opinion, VoiceOver already has voices far superior to JAWS syns and Eloquence. 

I know this is all subjective so just chiming in.

Dan

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I wonder if people ever suggested it to Apple. I’ll write an email to accessibility@... and do so, maybe  you should too, if enough people asked you never know. I’m sure it would be easy enough for Apple to do this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of marvin kotler
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 7:28 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

I would love to see eloquence in the iPhone.

Marv wb6hxb

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 10:21 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

He might be better at talking fast compared to some others, I personally don’t like Alex at all and while Samantha High Quality is pretty acceptable to me on the phone, I’d know for sure Steve Jobs made it to heaven if Apple were to offer Eloquence on the iPhone.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Delzer
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:55 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

One thing, the best IOS voice is Alex who can really talk fast even if a human sounding synthesizer. Too bad there isn't a windows version of IOS Alex.

 
Curtis Delzer 
HS
W B 6 H E F
Rialto, CA
 

On 5/2/2019 7:08 AM, Chris Hill wrote:

Actually, I strongly believe it is what you get used to.  I didn't like vocalizer at first, but I run it all the time now ad I'm used to it.  The thing that really helps is that I run it on my phone as well, so it is the same everywhere.  I grew up on the Votrax, artic and Braille'n speak.  I never cared for eloquence, especially the version that comes with jaws since it sounds like the low quality telephone-bandwidth version.

 

 

On 5/2/2019 09:01, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

I can definitely see how people who are used to using Eloquence or something like DoubleTalk at fairly high rates will not like Tom, Samantha or other human sounding voices. I am the same way, I have been using Eloquence for over 20 years and the human sounding voices just don't sound good when you run them very fast. Then it's like one of these ads where some guy at the end reads a bunch of restrictions very fast and in a monotone sort of voice and it just sounds weird. I think Eloquence to me is simply the gold standard when it comes to synthetic voices, you can run it fast and I find it much clearer and easier to listen to then something like DoubleTalk or eSpeak. I should mention that I started using computers during a time when it was all hardware synthesizers, I never had DecTalk or DoubleTalk but started out in 1989 with Jaws and the "Accent" synthesizer.

Below is a demo I found of Accent, I hadn't heard that thing in decades, but it instantly sounded familiar:

 

Accent synthesizer speech demo

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Hill
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 6:50 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

 

Yes.  You can get used to a different synthesizer, if it fixes your problem . The vocalizer Tom voice is quite responsive on my 5-year-old core i5 system.

 

 

 

On 5/2/2019 08:23, Rick Mladek wrote:

> Move to the modern age? Ditch the Triple talk?

> -----Original Message-----

> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

> Chris Hill

> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 9:04 AM

> To: main@jfw.groups.io

> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

> Modern systems aren't going to be strained by a speech synthesizer,

> most cpu's are idling a lot of the time anyway.  I suspect the issue

> is that some webpages are putting out text strings that look similar

> to tripple talk commands.  Might be time to move to the more modern age.

> On 5/2/2019 07:44, Rick Mladek wrote:

>> I am shy of software synthesizers as offered with Jaws. The triple

>> talk, being a peripheral, so to speak, is less strain on the system

>> in regards to resources. This is a triple talk issue and both sides

>> blame the

> other...

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of

>> John Covici

>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 7:28 AM

>> To: main@jfw.groups.io

>> Subject: Re: more Jaws problems from my list...

>> 

>> Does this speaking these strange characters happen with other

>> synthesizers or just the tripple talk?  I have had some websites

>> where the tripple talk does not work, but other synths do work.

>> 

>> On Thu, 02 May 2019 06:42:41 -0400,

>> Rick Mladek wrote:

>>> Hi All,

>>> 

>>> To begin, I thank you all for helping Zel and me with the

>>> sluggishness of

>> Jaws due to not disabling the graphics accelerator option. This did

>> show a great amount of improvement but I still notice some

>> sluggishness, but not as bad, in MS Xcell.

>>> Now, let?s work on a couple more issues I have with Jaws.

>>> 

>>> First, I could be going down through a website one line at a time

>>> when

>> Jaws begins to read some sort of java script. It just continues to

>> read so many characters of all kinds. Including letters, numbers and

>> symbols as punctuation marks etc. It is reading at a very high speed,

>> as well and it is difficult to hear all characters read aloud.

>>> There is no way to stop this and I either have to do a hard shut

>>> down

>> since the pc now becomes frozen while Jaws goes crazy or I turn off

>> my external synthesizer and jaws and then go through a process of

>> turning all back on in a special sequence.

>>> I use: Windows 10, Jaws 2019 latest update and a triple-talk USB

>>> external

>> synthesizer. My pc has 8 GB of ram and has plenty of amount when I

>> put a test on the system with many programs open and functioning

> simultaneously.

>>> Is there a setting or a hopeful fix to prevent this from happening?

>>> This

>> is very difficult when I am going over code received from colleagues

>> and my pc goes senile on me.

>>> Next, when I hit F7 to do a spell check, Jaws practically goes to

>>> sleep. I

>> hit escape or tab over to the original outlook message and copy paste

>> into a Microsoft Word document to do the spell/grammar check.

>>> Any thoughts on this baffling issue?

>>> 

>>> I hope to hear of all your thoughts regarding these problems addressed.

>>> 

>>> Thanks to all,

>>> 

>>> Rick

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> --

>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:

>> How do

>> you spend it?

>> 

>>            John Covici wb2una

>>            covici@...

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>