moderated Managing the cognitive load of listening


Soronel Haetir
 

Not sure about font but this could be achieved through markup, I
simply doubt you are going to get many writers/publishers interested.
Also, different fonts would be maddening to the sighted so is very
likely a non-starter.

On 9/20/22, Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:
I always have wished story writers would use something to denote a male
speaker and a female speaker, so we could set a synthesizer to read one sort

of text with a female TTS and the other with a male TTS.
I've wondered if they used a different font for the text of the dialog, if

Jaws could be set to read one font with a different TTS than the other.
Glenn
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 8:33 AM
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Hi Mike,

I'm with you, and I don't like different voices in any context, because
they
cause unnecessary pauses, albeit they are short ones.

But as you say, it is completely personal this.

All the best

Steve

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: 17 September 2022 21:23
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Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening

Mark

This is really a very personal question; and it's not so much a JAWS
question; but one using a screen reader in general.
I take it that you are new at this; and the best suggestion I can make is
play around and see what you are most comfortable with.
Your use of the word cognative suggests to me that you are overthinking all
of this.
Some people like reading fast; others prefer regular speech rates.
Some prefer one voice for everything; and others may assign a different
voice for different things.
In short, it takes time to become comfortable using a screen reader as a
way to deal with the pc screen.
Personally, I try not to overdo adjustments and customization -- but that's
me.



















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Soronel Haetir
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Mike Pietruk
 

Glenn

While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question
about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!!
So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good
idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.


K0LNY
 

Well what made me think of this, was some years back, a local news station
switched back and forth between a guy and gal reading the news, and I
noticed how it really kept my attention.
Glenn

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Glenn

While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question
about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!!
So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good
idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.


K0LNY
 

Actually, there is some president for this anyway,
In many fiction audio books I have read, the male reader will often alter
their voice to sound like the other gender, or sometimes a child.
Glenn

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Glenn

While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question
about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!!
So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good
idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.


Mike Pietruk
 

Glenn

I see where you are coming from; but another problem also occurs to me.
In today's politically correct world where gender identity issues rear its
head, some authors and publishers rather not deal with the fallout such
labeling might bring upon them.


Mike Pietruk
 

True, and I've heard this done quite effectively and I like it.
However, in context of your question, this is a decision by the reader of
the book and not based by author/publisher coding things.
It is only time that some audio book narrator somewhere will be taken to
task for their interpretation of things.


K0LNY
 

I guess if any publishers are concerned about that, it has never been
enforced in the world of audio books.
Glenn

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From: "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening


Glenn

I see where you are coming from; but another problem also occurs to me.
In today's politically correct world where gender identity issues rear its
head, some authors and publishers rather not deal with the fallout such
labeling might bring upon them.


K0LNY
 

I doubt that anyone would call out a reader on this in my opinion, I mean, a
woman naturally has a higher pitch voice, and all though that isn't always
the case, it almost always is.
So for that reason, I doubt a reader of a book would have to stop doing
that.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening


True, and I've heard this done quite effectively and I like it.
However, in context of your question, this is a decision by the reader of
the book and not based by author/publisher coding things.
It is only time that some audio book narrator somewhere will be taken to
task for their interpretation of things.


K0LNY
 

Actually, I think back to when I read print.
And a slightly different font for the genders would not have been
distracting.
But as mentioned already, it probably wouldn't be a font change, but some
sort of markup that only would be there in electronic text.
Glenn

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I guess if any publishers are concerned about that, it has never been
enforced in the world of audio books.
Glenn
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:40 PM
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Glenn

I see where you are coming from; but another problem also occurs to me.
In today's politically correct world where gender identity issues rear its
head, some authors and publishers rather not deal with the fallout such
labeling might bring upon them.


Lori Lynn
 

I've read several books recently that used multiple readers. Although this isn't always practical, it is interesting.

Lori Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:22 PM
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Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening

Well what made me think of this, was some years back, a local news station switched back and forth between a guy and gal reading the news, and I noticed how it really kept my attention.
Glenn
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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 12:01 PM
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Glenn

While you might wish that, when my sighted wife responded to my question about this, she thought I was off my rocker <grin>!!
So, asking JAWS to deal with this in the way you suggest (which is a good
idea) is beyond the practical technology at this moment at least.


Mike Pietruk
 

Glenn

Sadly, we're living in an age where the "never" is no longer a "never" for
so many things.
I'm thankful that I'm retired and don't have to be in a work environment
where you walk on eggshells in how you react and deal with people.
Real human interaction is often impossible as, in return, others are
careful in what they say and do with you.
If someone really didn't like me, I'd rather I knew that as it makes
responding far simpler.

So, I'll bet that book narrators these days are given guidelines on many
things no one, a generation or 2 back, would have thought of.


K0LNY
 

That is what I like about not working for the government anymore, where
political correctness had to constantly be observed.
Now if someone doesn't like what I say, well, it's just too bad, I won't
have to worry about getting a poor yearly review over it.
Glenn

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Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2022 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: Managing the cognitive load of listening



Glenn

Sadly, we're living in an age where the "never" is no longer a "never" for
so many things.
I'm thankful that I'm retired and don't have to be in a work environment
where you walk on eggshells in how you react and deal with people.
Real human interaction is often impossible as, in return, others are
careful in what they say and do with you.
If someone really didn't like me, I'd rather I knew that as it makes
responding far simpler.

So, I'll bet that book narrators these days are given guidelines on many
things no one, a generation or 2 back, would have thought of.


Mike Pietruk
 

Glenn

This goes back 45-50 years ago, before political correction became a
mantra of the era.
When I complained to my dad as to how certain people dealt with me, his
answer was a blunt honest one:
"it's better to know how someone feels about you rather them hiding it."
And, I grew to understand his point that if you have someone's true
feelings, you can better respond.
Like your comments, I suspect that a lot of the younger generation will
not agree with me.