hi,
I am new to the list. I am running the latest jaws. I wanted to see if I could make vlc media player a bit more accessible but first I had to find the play button and other controls. I went into script utility mode but in short it seems like the only cursor that can find those is the touch cursor and they are unlabeled buttons but you can't tab to them. The jaws scan cursor doesn't find them even with graphics set to all. I want to make a script that will let me press tab and cycle through the normally untabbable buttons. 
last, in windows11 notepad I have a bit of an issue because I want to make a user script so when I press control shift n, it reads the status line. The touch cursor can see it but it doesn't say status bar, the jaws cursor and invisible cursor just say blank. So why is it that the jaws scan cursor activate in vlc, but not in notePad and is there any way to force the jaws scan cursor to activate when an application is loaded maybe an autoStart function that tells jaws the app I am running should use it? If jaws scan were active in notepad I could more easily make a script to read the bottom line of the window. And script utility mode in notepad is not showing me the status bar or any toolbars or buttons either. 

Hey.

Can’t help really, but I do think a VLC script is a cool idea, even if it’s just for your personal use. I personally am not that bothered by the buttons there as everything has a key-press associated with it. However it’s the dialogues within VLC, like the all perferences page, that have become exceedingly difficult to use. Not sure what happened as VlC used to be a lot more friendly and yes, you could even tab between the buttons on the main screen if you wanted to.

hi,
I am new to the list. I am running the latest jaws. I wanted to see if I could make vlc media player a bit more accessible but first I had to find the play button and other controls. I went into script utility mode but in short it seems like the only cursor that can find those is the touch cursor and they are unlabeled buttons but you can't tab to them. The jaws scan cursor doesn't find them even with graphics set to all. I want to make a script that will let me press tab and cycle through the normally untabbable buttons. 
last, in windows11 notepad I have a bit of an issue because I want to make a user script so when I press control shift n, it reads the status line. The touch cursor can see it but it doesn't say status bar, the jaws cursor and invisible cursor just say blank. So why is it that the jaws scan cursor activate in vlc, but not in notePad and is there any way to force the jaws scan cursor to activate when an application is loaded maybe an autoStart function that tells jaws the app I am running should use it? If jaws scan were active in notepad I could more easily make a script to read the bottom line of the window. And script utility mode in notepad is not showing me the status bar or any toolbars or buttons either. 

hi,
I am new to the list. I am running the latest jaws. I wanted to see if I could make vlc media player a bit more accessible but first I had to find the play button and other controls. I went into script utility mode but in short it seems like the only cursor that can find those is the touch cursor and they are unlabeled buttons but you can't tab to them. The jaws scan cursor doesn't find them even with graphics set to all. I want to make a script that will let me press tab and cycle through the normally untabbable buttons. 
last, in windows11 notepad I have a bit of an issue because I want to make a user script so when I press control shift n, it reads the status line. The touch cursor can see it but it doesn't say status bar, the jaws cursor and invisible cursor just say blank. So why is it that the jaws scan cursor activate in vlc, but not in notePad and is there any way to force the jaws scan cursor to activate when an application is loaded maybe an autoStart function that tells jaws the app I am running should use it? If jaws scan were active in notepad I could more easily make a script to read the bottom line of the window. And script utility mode in notepad is not showing me the status bar or any toolbars or buttons either. 

Hey.

Can’t help really, but I do think a VLC script is a cool idea, even if it’s just for your personal use. I personally am not that bothered by the buttons there as everything has a key-press associated with it. However it’s the dialogues within VLC, like the all perferences page, that have become exceedingly difficult to use. Not sure what happened as VlC used to be a lot more friendly and yes, you could even tab between the buttons on the main screen if you wanted to.

hi,
I am new to the list. I am running the latest jaws. I wanted to see if I could make vlc media player a bit more accessible but first I had to find the play button and other controls. I went into script utility mode but in short it seems like the only cursor that can find those is the touch cursor and they are unlabeled buttons but you can't tab to them. The jaws scan cursor doesn't find them even with graphics set to all. I want to make a script that will let me press tab and cycle through the normally untabbable buttons. 
last, in windows11 notepad I have a bit of an issue because I want to make a user script so when I press control shift n, it reads the status line. The touch cursor can see it but it doesn't say status bar, the jaws cursor and invisible cursor just say blank. So why is it that the jaws scan cursor activate in vlc, but not in notePad and is there any way to force the jaws scan cursor to activate when an application is loaded maybe an autoStart function that tells jaws the app I am running should use it? If jaws scan were active in notepad I could more easily make a script to read the bottom line of the window. And script utility mode in notepad is not showing me the status bar or any toolbars or buttons either. 

I would also like to make a script so when I fast forward and rewind through a file jaws will read the current time so if I am 8 minutes into a 2 hour long mp3 I will know that. But I can't find any script functions letting me script the jaws scan cursor. 
Jaws and NVDA and narrator are the same. lets just say they are not very smart. I hope to see a day where jaws could upon when you open a new application, analyse the screen to see what is happening when you navigate the application and automatically read what may catch a sighted person's eye such as changing status lines and things. And in more difficult applications with lots of unlabeled buttons or graphics Jaws would, without any or little input from the user first try labeling the buttons or unknown controls or unknown windows using conventional methods but it would do this automatically by analyzing the application without you having to script it. If it could not determine what the unidentified window or control is through conventional means it would then auto-OCR and try and figure it out that way. If it still can't figure out what's going on and what unknown windows and controls are on screen, it would use a more advanced cloud service and if it still can't it would send a special screen shot and report to sighted people who would label the controls and send their labels to an A-I training model server so jaws could recognise similar applications and unknown windows and controls and such in the future. For specialized things you could still turn Jaws A-I mode off and resort to conventional scripting if you wanted to.I wish screen readers were smart, like my alexa device, learning over time what I like and don't like, or in Jaws case, and this goes for other screen readers as well, automatically learn about the applications I am using and read what catches a sighted user's eye and automatically teach itself about unknown windows, graphics, controls, even inaccessible video game screens and menus to try and  make them as accessible as possible. 

yes but in notepad in windows11 the status line is non-standard and the jaws and invisible cursors can't see it, only the touch cursor can see it.

I would also like to make a script so when I fast forward and rewind through a file jaws will read the current time so if I am 8 minutes into a 2 hour long mp3 I will know that. But I can't find any script functions letting me script the jaws scan cursor. 
Jaws and NVDA and narrator are the same. lets just say they are not very smart. I hope to see a day where jaws could upon when you open a new application, analyse the screen to see what is happening when you navigate the application and automatically read what may catch a sighted person's eye such as changing status lines and things. And in more difficult applications with lots of unlabeled buttons or graphics Jaws would, without any or little input from the user first try labeling the buttons or unknown controls or unknown windows using conventional methods but it would do this automatically by analyzing the application without you having to script it. If it could not determine what the unidentified window or control is through conventional means it would then auto-OCR and try and figure it out that way. If it still can't figure out what's going on and what unknown windows and controls are on screen, it would use a more advanced cloud service and if it still can't it would send a special screen shot and report to sighted people who would label the controls and send their labels to an A-I training model server so jaws could recognise similar applications and unknown windows and controls and such in the future. For specialized things you could still turn Jaws A-I mode off and resort to conventional scripting if you wanted to.I wish screen readers were smart, like my alexa device, learning over time what I like and don't like, or in Jaws case, and this goes for other screen readers as well, automatically learn about the applications I am using and read what catches a sighted user's eye and automatically teach itself about unknown windows, graphics, controls, even inaccessible video game screens and menus to try and  make them as accessible as possible. 

Ah. Interesting; did not know that and I guess thast’ one of the other small but still somehow significant things that’s changed about ntoepad in Windows 11, which I won’t be getting until this computer expires, probably.

This seems like something Freedom Scientific or whatever they call themselves now will be wanting to fix. Notepad is after all a core windows component. Maybe this is coming in a future update. You should probably write them to let you know you’ve noticed it’s no longer working as it should.

yes but in notepad in windows11 the status line is non-standard and the jaws and invisible cursors can't see it, only the touch cursor can see it.

On Sat, Apr 23, 2022 at 01:26 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

only the touch cursor can see it.

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And this is going to become more and more common in the "new universal apps" interface.  There's some of it already under Windows 10 for stuff that was either new, or rewritten pretty much afresh for Windows 10.

Using the touch cursor [JAWS] and object navigation [NVDA analogous function] will be increasing with time.
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Ah. Interesting; did not know that and I guess thast’ one of the other small but still somehow significant things that’s changed about ntoepad in Windows 11, which I won’t be getting until this computer expires, probably.

This seems like something Freedom Scientific or whatever they call themselves now will be wanting to fix. Notepad is after all a core windows component. Maybe this is coming in a future update. You should probably write them to let you know you’ve noticed it’s no longer working as it should.

yes but in notepad in windows11 the status line is non-standard and the jaws and invisible cursors can't see it, only the touch cursor can see it.

Hello. Was this post written by you? If not would you please reference the source URL?

Ah. Interesting; did not know that and I guess thast’ one of the other small but still somehow significant things that’s changed about ntoepad in Windows 11, which I won’t be getting until this computer expires, probably.

This seems like something Freedom Scientific or whatever they call themselves now will be wanting to fix. Notepad is after all a core windows component. Maybe this is coming in a future update. You should probably write them to let you know you’ve noticed it’s no longer working as it should.

yes but in notepad in windows11 the status line is non-standard and the jaws and invisible cursors can't see it, only the touch cursor can see it.

Am 24.04.2022 um 15:11 schrieb Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>:

two things, I bought the script-writing tutorial and second I also own leasey and leasey does what I want with vlc.