Moderated jaws and pdf documents.
thanks to you all for the replies.
my problems are not with ocr, or anything like that.
to put it simply, i have to use adobe pdf reader, latest version.
i am quite happy with it.
the problem is that it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
if i leave it for a minute or so after opening a document, its is ok.
i am using jaws 2021.
anyone else who looks at it, can scroll up and down no problem.
its a jaws problem as usual!!
as suggested in an earlier post, i did set the reading from top to bottom, and from left to right.
this made no difference.
these documents are being sent out to other people, and are being encrypted with a program called pdf-encrypt.
this program is free.
regardless, whether they are encrypted or not, the same problem exists.
i have to assume, that people reading them only have pdf reader.
as a result, using other programs etc, is not an option.
i feel, as the topic starter, that we have wandered off on a tangent here with ocr, other programs etc.
please dont think that i am ungreatful, i appreciate everyone's help.
i just need to bring this discussion back to the original question which is why does pdf reader keep jumping back to the top of a document.
regards and thanks,
patrick
Hi Patrick,
Yes we did go on a big tangent, apologies for that.
And yes, I also have that trouble with some PDF docs jumping to the beginning when I switch to another window or stop reading for a while. I wonder if it’s the way they’re designed as it doesn’t happen to me all the time.
There are a lot of accessibility elements that aren’t considered when designing a PDF document, such as the document order, tagging, etc. I wonder if this has anything to do with the behaviour of Jaws when reading a PDF document in Adobe Reader.
Cheers
Zel
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Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.
hi,
thanks to you all for the replies.
my problems are not with ocr, or anything like that.
to put it simply, i have to use adobe pdf reader, latest version.
i am quite happy with it.
the problem is that it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
if i leave it for a minute or so after opening a document, its is ok.
i am using jaws 2021.
anyone else who looks at it, can scroll up and down no problem.
its a jaws problem as usual!!
as suggested in an earlier post, i did set the reading from top to bottom, and from left to right.
this made no difference.
these documents are being sent out to other people, and are being encrypted with a program called pdf-encrypt.
this program is free.
regardless, whether they are encrypted or not, the same problem exists.
i have to assume, that people reading them only have pdf reader.
as a result, using other programs etc, is not an option.
i feel, as the topic starter, that we have wandered off on a tangent here with ocr, other programs etc.
please dont think that i am ungreatful, i appreciate everyone's help.
i just need to bring this discussion back to the original question which is why does pdf reader keep jumping back to the top of a document.
regards and thanks,
patrick
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.I've found ABBYY FineReader to be very good at processing PDF files containing images of pages, such as old journal papers. The OCR accuracy and format recognition are both impressive.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
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On Oct 17, 2022, at 8:22 AM, Jason White via groups.io <jason@...> wrote:
On 12/10/22 06:02, Zel Iscel wrote:I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.I've found ABBYY FineReader to be very good at processing PDF files containing images of pages, such as old journal papers. The OCR accuracy and format recognition are both impressive.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
I have experienced this a lot with PDFs, too, and I think also with web pages. My work around is to set a temporary placemarker before I leave the PDF. When I come back, I hit K and pick up right where I left off. I never really thought about saying it was a JAWS issue; I just took it at face value since there isn’t a physical cursor to come back to as in Word.
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Hi Patrick,
Yes we did go on a big tangent, apologies for that.
And yes, I also have that trouble with some PDF docs jumping to the beginning when I switch to another window or stop reading for a while. I wonder if it’s the way they’re designed as it doesn’t happen to me all the time.
There are a lot of accessibility elements that aren’t considered when designing a PDF document, such as the document order, tagging, etc. I wonder if this has anything to do with the behaviour of Jaws when reading a PDF document in Adobe Reader.
Cheers
Zel
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Sent: Monday, 17 October 2022 2:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.
hi,
thanks to you all for the replies.
my problems are not with ocr, or anything like that.
to put it simply, i have to use adobe pdf reader, latest version.
i am quite happy with it.
the problem is that it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
if i leave it for a minute or so after opening a document, its is ok.
i am using jaws 2021.
anyone else who looks at it, can scroll up and down no problem.
its a jaws problem as usual!!
as suggested in an earlier post, i did set the reading from top to bottom, and from left to right.
this made no difference.
these documents are being sent out to other people, and are being encrypted with a program called pdf-encrypt.
this program is free.
regardless, whether they are encrypted or not, the same problem exists.
i have to assume, that people reading them only have pdf reader.
as a result, using other programs etc, is not an option.
i feel, as the topic starter, that we have wandered off on a tangent here with ocr, other programs etc.
please dont think that i am ungreatful, i appreciate everyone's help.
i just need to bring this discussion back to the original question which is why does pdf reader keep jumping back to the top of a document.
regards and thanks,
patrick
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If they're really mostly or entirely text, like articles, and not highly formatted with things like tables, that conversion to Word is generally quite good. I haven't played around enough with PDFs that have complex formatting like the use of tables, figures with alt text, etc., to know whether those would be handled gracefully or not.
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