moderated jaws and pdf documents.


Patrick Murphy
 

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Bill White
 

Hi, Patrick. I have this same trouble sometimes with pdf documents. I have found that, if possible, it is best to open the document, select the entire document, and copy the content into a Microsoft Word file. This allows viewing of the contents of the document without having to deal with the Adobe interface.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

 

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Mike Pietruk
 

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading
vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your
reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt
or .rtf file.


Zel Iscel
 

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file.


Curtis Chong
 

Hello:

 

I find that setting the reading options to read from left to right instead works better for me. Give that a try.

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 12:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

 

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Ann Byrne
 

To my surprise, I find that MS edge reads .pdf's better than Adobe, at least for me.

At 01:57 AM 10/12/2022, you wrote:
Hi, Patrick. I have this same trouble sometimes with pdf documents. I have found that, if possible, it is best to open the document, select the entire document, and copy the content into a Microsoft Word file. This allows viewing of the contents of the document without having to deal with the Adobe interface.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Steve Nutt
 

I don’t use Acrobat at all now, I prefer reading PDFs in Chrome.

 

All the best


Stve

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: 12 October 2022 12:50
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

 

Hello:

 

I find that setting the reading options to read from left to right instead works better for me. Give that a try.

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 12:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

 

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Steve Nutt
 

Yep Chrome does as well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: 12 October 2022 13:10
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

To my surprise, I find that MS edge reads .pdf's better than Adobe, at least
for me.
At 01:57 AM 10/12/2022, you wrote:
Hi, Patrick. I have this same trouble sometimes with pdf documents.
I have found that, if possible, it is best to open the document, select
the entire document, and copy the content into a Microsoft Word file.
This allows viewing of the contents of the document without having to
deal with the Adobe interface.

Bill White

<mailto:billwhite92701@...>billwhite92701@...

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Patrick Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2022 11:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf
reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it
keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous
page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Karen Reynolds
 

Hi Patrick,

I have the same problem sometimes. I have found that changing the reading order to left to right top to bottom helps sometimes.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 2:15 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

 

hi,
i am having an issue with jaws 2021 and the latest version of adobe pdf reader.
for some reason, it keeps jumping back to the top of the page.
there is only one page in the document.
this does not happen if the document has multiple pages.
if, after the document is loaded, i start to scroll through it, it keeps jumping back.
if i sit and wait for about a minute, it works fine most of the time.
i have set the various options, infer reading from document, continous page etc.
nothing makes any difference.
any ideas?

regards,

patrick


Bill White
 

I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that,
once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy
it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read
your document, only to scan it and turn it into text.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I
have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I
can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via
groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading
vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your
reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or
.rtf file.


Zel Iscel
 

Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at all.
So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF files in these browsers.
So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them in Adobe Acrobat.

I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that, once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file.


Bill White
 

Hi, Zel. A trick I found when Adobe doesn't want to open a document when
using a screen reader.
1. Set Adobe Acrobat DC as your default pdf reader.
2. Press ENTER on the pdf file you want to open.
3. Press CONTROL plus K to open Adobe Preferences.
4. Press ESCAPE to close Adobe Preferences.
5. Now the dialog should come up asking how you want to read the pdf
document (left to right reading order etc.
6. TAB to the Start button, and press ENTER. The document should now be
rendered in accessible form, or if empty, give you the option to OCR scan
with JAWS.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond
when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at
all.
So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF
files in these browsers.
So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very
difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at
the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them
in Adobe Acrobat.

I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via
groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that,
once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy
it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read
your document, only to scan it and turn it into text.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I
have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I
can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via
groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading
vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your
reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or
.rtf file.


Van Lant, Robin
 

Like you, Zel, I'm finding it takes a really long time for the accessibility options dialog to appear in newly opened pdfs in Adobe. At my company, I tried to set my default to Adobe for PDFs, but some of our HR files still open in Edge. When needed, I now save the PDF file to my documents folder and select the convenient OCR option from the context menu. JAWS Will then OCR the file without ever having to actually open the file in a browser or Adobe. I find this vastly faster than waiting for adobe to process the file, only to then tell me that I have to use convenient OCR on it.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

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Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at all.
So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF files in these browsers.
So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them in Adobe Acrobat.

I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that, once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file.

























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Van Lant, Robin
 

Bill, I'm eager to try your trick. I've been going to the edit menu to select accessibility options there, but that can still be really slow. I'm guessing that Adobe is still processing the file in the background, so it's just not ready to give me accessibility options, but the wait seems ridiculously long.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 11:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

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Hi, Zel. A trick I found when Adobe doesn't want to open a document when
using a screen reader.
1. Set Adobe Acrobat DC as your default pdf reader.
2. Press ENTER on the pdf file you want to open.
3. Press CONTROL plus K to open Adobe Preferences.
4. Press ESCAPE to close Adobe Preferences.
5. Now the dialog should come up asking how you want to read the pdf
document (left to right reading order etc.
6. TAB to the Start button, and press ENTER. The document should now be
rendered in accessible form, or if empty, give you the option to OCR scan
with JAWS.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond
when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at
all.
So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF
files in these browsers.
So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very
difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at
the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them
in Adobe Acrobat.

I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via
groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that,
once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy
it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read
your document, only to scan it and turn it into text.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I
have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I
can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via
groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading
vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your
reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or
.rtf file.































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This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc.

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Robin,

You might want to consider another option:  Using Tracker Software’s PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR Process Image Scanned PDFs

I only wish PDF-Xchange Viewer were completely accessible but, alas, it's not, but it's perfectly accessible for this purpose, and very fast for short (read, under 50 pages) documents.  I've used it to process documents of several hundred pages that were originally imaged scanned, and its OCR accuracy is very, very good.  I've had clients who wanted to OCR in languages other than English, Spanish, German, and French (the default four that "come with") and they have language packs available at no cost for something like 25 or 30 languages.

In any case, the advantage being that the text layer gets saved with the PDF if you follow that tutorial (Disclosure: I wrote it) and then, if you so choose, you can open that PDF in any of the versions of Word from 2013 and later and have the text come right in.

I'm not a huge fan of the OCR features of any of the screen readers except for "quick and dirty" use on the fly.  Dedicated tools work better, in my experience, and even though it's a bit more tedious it's a "one and done" affair for any given PDF file.  This all started when I had a couple of clients who were graduate students who were constantly being handed old image-scanned PDFs as part of their course reading.  I suggested to them that after doing the above, they send the resulting OCRed file back to their professor and ask that it be used going forward so that no other blind student will need to do what they did again.  Most were pretty good about having the original image-scanned files in their course archives replaced by the OCRed versions when those were supplied to them.
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John Covici
 

I find that just activating the menu for a second gives me the reader
dialog pretty quickly.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:03:22 -0400,
Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote:

Bill, I'm eager to try your trick. I've been going to the edit menu to select accessibility options there, but that can still be really slow. I'm guessing that Adobe is still processing the file in the background, so it's just not ready to give me accessibility options, but the wait seems ridiculously long.






-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 11:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments.


Hi, Zel. A trick I found when Adobe doesn't want to open a document when
using a screen reader.
1. Set Adobe Acrobat DC as your default pdf reader.
2. Press ENTER on the pdf file you want to open.
3. Press CONTROL plus K to open Adobe Preferences.
4. Press ESCAPE to close Adobe Preferences.
5. Now the dialog should come up asking how you want to read the pdf
document (left to right reading order etc.
6. TAB to the Start button, and press ENTER. The document should now be
rendered in accessible form, or if empty, give you the option to OCR scan
with JAWS.

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond
when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at
all.
So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF
files in these browsers.
So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very
difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at
the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them
in Adobe Acrobat.

I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via
groups.io
Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that,
once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy
it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read
your document, only to scan it and turn it into text.

Bill White

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Hi there,
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.
The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I
have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me.
Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I
can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge.

Cheers
Zel

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via
groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

Patrick

I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading
vehicle.
The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your
reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program.
And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or
.rtf file.































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Van Lant, Robin
 

Thanks, Brian.  Thankfully, I do have Kurzweil on my laptops and I don’t think I want to tackle asking to have another converter added to my work laptop. Typically a  rough OCR scan is sufficient to get my head around documents for work. I use Kurzweil if I need tables and such in the PDF.

 

 

 

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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2022 10:24 AM
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Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.

 

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Robin,

You might want to consider another option:  Using Tracker Software’s PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR Process Image Scanned PDFs

I only wish PDF-Xchange Viewer were completely accessible but, alas, it's not, but it's perfectly accessible for this purpose, and very fast for short (read, under 50 pages) documents.  I've used it to process documents of several hundred pages that were originally imaged scanned, and its OCR accuracy is very, very good.  I've had clients who wanted to OCR in languages other than English, Spanish, German, and French (the default four that "come with") and they have language packs available at no cost for something like 25 or 30 languages.

In any case, the advantage being that the text layer gets saved with the PDF if you follow that tutorial (Disclosure: I wrote it) and then, if you so choose, you can open that PDF in any of the versions of Word from 2013 and later and have the text come right in.

I'm not a huge fan of the OCR features of any of the screen readers except for "quick and dirty" use on the fly.  Dedicated tools work better, in my experience, and even though it's a bit more tedious it's a "one and done" affair for any given PDF file.  This all started when I had a couple of clients who were graduate students who were constantly being handed old image-scanned PDFs as part of their course reading.  I suggested to them that after doing the above, they send the resulting OCRed file back to their professor and ask that it be used going forward so that no other blind student will need to do what they did again.  Most were pretty good about having the original image-scanned files in their course archives replaced by the OCRed versions when those were supplied to them.
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Brian,
It appears that the “Editor” version is the only supported version now, the “Viewer” version is deprecated and last updated in June 2018.  I have lobbed an email to their sales team since the website is not overly clear if you can use the software for free for a period of time or with limited functionality.  There is a “download for free” link and right next to it is the “buy now” link.
Jim Weiss

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On Oct 14, 2022, at 12:23 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Robin,

You might want to consider another option:  Using Tracker Software’s PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR Process Image Scanned PDFs

I only wish PDF-Xchange Viewer were completely accessible but, alas, it's not, but it's perfectly accessible for this purpose, and very fast for short (read, under 50 pages) documents.  I've used it to process documents of several hundred pages that were originally imaged scanned, and its OCR accuracy is very, very good.  I've had clients who wanted to OCR in languages other than English, Spanish, German, and French (the default four that "come with") and they have language packs available at no cost for something like 25 or 30 languages.

In any case, the advantage being that the text layer gets saved with the PDF if you follow that tutorial (Disclosure: I wrote it) and then, if you so choose, you can open that PDF in any of the versions of Word from 2013 and later and have the text come right in.

I'm not a huge fan of the OCR features of any of the screen readers except for "quick and dirty" use on the fly.  Dedicated tools work better, in my experience, and even though it's a bit more tedious it's a "one and done" affair for any given PDF file.  This all started when I had a couple of clients who were graduate students who were constantly being handed old image-scanned PDFs as part of their course reading.  I suggested to them that after doing the above, they send the resulting OCRed file back to their professor and ask that it be used going forward so that no other blind student will need to do what they did again.  Most were pretty good about having the original image-scanned files in their course archives replaced by the OCRed versions when those were supplied to them.
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 07:31 AM, Jim Weiss wrote:
It appears that the “Editor” version is the only supported version now, the “Viewer” version is deprecated and last updated in June 2018.
-
Yes, it's deprecated, but it still downloadable and works and since there's nothing "cyber-connected" about it, I still use it and recommend it.  They've been calling it "discontinued" for heading in to 5 years now, but it's actually gotten an update or two during that period.

I do not use PDF-XChange Editor, which is what they replaced it with and for which there is a free and a paid version.  Accessibility may have gotten better under Editor, but it wasn't in 2018 and 2019.
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Rahul Bajaj
 

Hi,

After years of frustration with Adobe, I keep its use at a minimum now. My default PDF reader is a free blindness-specific app called Bookworm. I don't want to jinx it, but it works rather well. And for tables in PDFs, I still use Adobe. For OCR-ing PDFs that are image-based, I use ABBYY Fine Reader 14.

Rahul

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 07:31 AM, Jim Weiss wrote:
It appears that the “Editor” version is the only supported version now, the “Viewer” version is deprecated and last updated in June 2018.
-
Yes, it's deprecated, but it still downloadable and works and since there's nothing "cyber-connected" about it, I still use it and recommend it.  They've been calling it "discontinued" for heading in to 5 years now, but it's actually gotten an update or two during that period.

I do not use PDF-XChange Editor, which is what they replaced it with and for which there is a free and a paid version.  Accessibility may have gotten better under Editor, but it wasn't in 2018 and 2019.
--

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