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[Bulk] JAWS and Negativity

Dave...
 

Spence,

You're absolutely right. However many of these aspects that you cite have
been part of JAWS a few major revisions back.

However the more irritating point is that in subsequent major and minor
revisions, that functions and applications that used to work stop working.

Follow that with the focus tends to be adding new whiz-bang features instead
of fixing what they broke.

Well you have to understand that I get a little testy about that.

No doubt JAWS is very helpful and very necessary -- but also very critical
to our lives and jobs and it cannot be compromised with sloppy software
quality control.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Spencer McLean" <smclean@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 13:42
Subject: [Bulk] Re: JAWS and Negativity


Wooops. I meant Shift+JAWSKey+V. CTRL+JAWSKey+V is actually nto very
helpful at all. *Snicker*


On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Spencer McLean wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its
future.
Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all
the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't
the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's
obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part
is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit
and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I
raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that
wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...

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Luis Difut
 

I agree!

-----Original Message-----
From: jfw-bounces@... [mailto:jfw-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of Farfar on Laptop
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 5:09 PM
To: The Jaws for Windows support list.
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: JAWS and Negativity

Spence,

You're absolutely right. However many of these aspects that you cite have
been part of JAWS a few major revisions back.

However the more irritating point is that in subsequent major and minor
revisions, that functions and applications that used to work stop working.

Follow that with the focus tends to be adding new whiz-bang features instead

of fixing what they broke.

Well you have to understand that I get a little testy about that.

No doubt JAWS is very helpful and very necessary -- but also very critical
to our lives and jobs and it cannot be compromised with sloppy software
quality control.

Dave Carlson
From my Dell Latitude 630, currently not nearly close enough for my comfort
to my Audio Recording and Mixing Studios, San Francisco Bay Area. But I'll
try to remedy that situation.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Spencer McLean" <smclean@...>
To: <jfw@...>
Sent: Thursday, August 18, 2011 13:42
Subject: [Bulk] Re: JAWS and Negativity


Wooops. I meant Shift+JAWSKey+V. CTRL+JAWSKey+V is actually nto very
helpful at all. *Snicker*


On Thu, 18 Aug 2011, Spencer McLean wrote:

Hi Everyone:

Since joining this list about a week ago, I've noticed a great deal
of negativity about JAWS. I don't want to downplay its problems
-- it has a few. And it seems like many on this list have encountered more
difficulties than I have which, naturally, puts one in a gloomier frame of
mind, not only with regard to the application itself but also to its
future.
Yes, JAWS's pricetag is waaay too high, its scripts are meager, its
glitchiness is frustrating, its documentation is lackluster, its tendency
not to do what you set it to do is legendary... But... It has some pretty
awesome features as well.

- navigating via SelectAGraphic/Paragraph/Heading features have
- revolutionized the way I read webpages. Experience with these can get me
- to the content faster than sighted people, provided that I'm at least
- passingly familiar with the website in question. SelectAParagraph is
- probably my favorite feature in JAWS. Go to any News site, click on an
- article and tell me that SelectAParagraph doesn't rock. You avoid all
the
- mess and get right to the targeted content. For me, it's almost replaced
- placemarkers which were never reliable anyway given the rate at which
- webpages are redesigned.

- Personalized settings for webpage? Fantastic! I hate inline frames. If
- there are any Slate Magazine fans on this list, having to bump over that
- stupid Facebook inline frame to read articles drove me bunkers until I
- found out how to turn that off in CTRL+JAWSKey+V. And Slate. Com isn't
the
- only site that puts that Facebook inline in inconvenient places. And for
- those like me who've been all-but-driven to madness by SayAll's
obsessive
- need to vocalize Same-Page links on Wikipedia pages, you can turn that
- off under the Links branch in personalized settings. And the best part
is
- that you can customize these settings for individual websites.

- Finally, some of the navigation keys are pretty sweet. Visited links is
- the most useful, for me. Going right to that spot you typically visit
and
- hitting enter, so click. Going right to placemarkers on webpages that
- don't update a lot? Nice. Jumping to lines on a page? Paging through
- paragraphs? I use them all to get through the mess.

My intention is not to chastise. Like I mentioned above, JAWS has
its problems and its important to point them; I recognize that. So for all
of you who've held Freedom Scientific to account over JAWS's issues, I
raise
my glass to you. But it has some pretty amazing navigational features as
well and I don't want that to be forgotten in the din.

Cheers,
Spence

PS: Does anyone know if the JAWS developers have any intentions of
implementing that Voiceover-in-Safari feature for the Mac which keeps all
webpage menus closed until you click on them to open them? If that
wouldn't
clean up web browsing for Jaws in IE or Firefox...

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