moderated Jaws and fusion?


Ann Byrne
 

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann


Milton Ota
 

Hello Ann,

I believe it should place an icon on the desktop.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and fusion?

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does
the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS
so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann


Curtis Chong
 

Personally, I strongly suggest running ZoomText and JAWS as two separate
programs and not to start Fusion. User experience indicates there are still
some problems with the Fusion interface.

Best,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

Hello Ann,

I believe it should place an icon on the desktop.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and fusion?

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does
the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS
so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann


Joe
 

I use Fusion for personal use and for training. I would be interested in
what problems have been found. It has not been my experience that Fusion has
any major problems. And it is helpful to have all three products on my
desktop so I can switch as needed.
Joe
Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer

Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT
Phone: 616.951.2142

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

Hello Ann,

I believe it should place an icon on the desktop.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and fusion?

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does
the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS
so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann


Abraham Sweiss
 

Fusion is a screen magnifier which uses jaws for the screen reader functions.
This means that one starting up fusion, you’ll have access to all of the jaws functionality.

Thanks,abraham

On Aug 10, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann






Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

JAWS and ZoomText work fine. In previous versions, people have reported
problems when Fusion (the combination of the two in one icon) was running. A
few years ago, when I was configuring machines for the people with whom I
worked, I would start JAWS and ZoomText separately so that the features of
both would be available to people. When I tried to work with Fusion, it was
not unusual for things to hang. It seems that today, this is no longer the
case based on what you are saying. That is a terrific improvement.

Best regards,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joe
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:12 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

I use Fusion for personal use and for training. I would be interested in
what problems have been found. It has not been my experience that Fusion has
any major problems. And it is helpful to have all three products on my
desktop so I can switch as needed.
Joe
Picture of Owl with Mortar Board and Computer

Dr. Joe L. Todd CVRT
Phone: 616.951.2142


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:00 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

Hello Ann,

I believe it should place an icon on the desktop.

----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and fusion?

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does
the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS
so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann


 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 08:49 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText.
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This student needs to be asked:  Why are you doing this?

Fusion is the fusion of JAWS and ZoomText in one package.  There is no logical reason to be running JAWS or ZoomText independently on the same machine where Fusion is installed, as it's both rolled into one.  It also involves a significant amount of cost for ZoomText (or Fusion, if she doesn't use "the JAWS part") that's an unnecessary expenditure.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

 

If one acquires Fusion there is a transition path that is very useful to know about if we know that vision will continue to fail. At the beginning the student starts using magnification but can, with guidance, gradually migrate to using both speech and magnification and, eventually, speech alone.

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 08:49 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText.

-
This student needs to be asked:  Why are you doing this?

Fusion is the fusion of JAWS and ZoomText in one package.  There is no logical reason to be running JAWS or ZoomText independently on the same machine where Fusion is installed, as it's both rolled into one.  It also involves a significant amount of cost for ZoomText (or Fusion, if she doesn't use "the JAWS part") that's an unnecessary expenditure.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

Curtis,

Nothing you said is in any way an answer to the question.  If someone is gradually losing vision, yes, it is possible that ZoomText came first, and Fusion came later.  But by the time Fusion enters the picture, if it comes second, it makes the need for ZoomText disappear, as ZoomText functions are part of Fusion.

I cannot imagine keeping both on a single machine unless the purpose of that machine was to demonstrate each.  I wouldn't keep a separate JAWS on a machine with Fusion, either.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Glenn / Lenny
 


Sounds like the subject should be:
confusion
instead.
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

Curtis,

Nothing you said is in any way an answer to the question.  If someone is gradually losing vision, yes, it is possible that ZoomText came first, and Fusion came later.  But by the time Fusion enters the picture, if it comes second, it makes the need for ZoomText disappear, as ZoomText functions are part of Fusion.

I cannot imagine keeping both on a single machine unless the purpose of that machine was to demonstrate each.  I wouldn't keep a separate JAWS on a machine with Fusion, either.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Curtis Chong
 

Hello Brian:

 

The point of fact is that when you install Fusion you get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package, and both programs are installed when you install Fusion. At least, that was the way it was when I first started working with Fusion.

 

Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package? What has changed?

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:47 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

Curtis,

Nothing you said is in any way an answer to the question.  If someone is gradually losing vision, yes, it is possible that ZoomText came first, and Fusion came later.  But by the time Fusion enters the picture, if it comes second, it makes the need for ZoomText disappear, as ZoomText functions are part of Fusion.

I cannot imagine keeping both on a single machine unless the purpose of that machine was to demonstrate each.  I wouldn't keep a separate JAWS on a machine with Fusion, either.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:
Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?
-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Curtis Chong
 

Brian:

 

You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

Hi Ann,

I'm running Fusion 2020 and it definitely installed icons on my desktop for
Fusion, ZoomText, and JAWS. I assume your student can activate JAWS but I've
never used Tandem so I can't comment on that.

Alan Lemly

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 7:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and fusion?

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with zoomText. Does
the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her desktop? Can she activate JAWS
so we can use tandem?

Thx,

Ann


 

Curtis and Brian,

 

I have great respect for the many helpful posts you’ve both contributed on this and other lists. But unless you are currently using Fusion, I’d suggest you not comment on how well Fusion functions based on what others have said. With Fusion 2020, I have access to both magnification and the full set of JAWS commands. One running Fusion can certainly close it down and run JAWS or ZoomText independently. I find that iTunes for Windows seems more accessible with ZoomText for the activities I do with it so I will close Fusion and run ZoomText before opening iTunes.,

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 10:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

Brian:

 

You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:
But unless you are currently using Fusion, I’d suggest you not comment on how well Fusion functions based on what others have said.
-
Alan, all due respect, but "what others have said" is all any of us have to go on in many of these topics.

I get what it is you're saying, but it was the lack of clarity on exactly what Fusion is, and is not, putting on the desktop that, in my opinion, started all this.  If I only commented on things I'm absolutely up-to-the-moment current with rather than basing much on years of experience (though not with Fusion) I'd be able to comment on very little.  Body of knowledge should, and does, count for something, particularly when the thing under discussion has some very static features that have been around "forever."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


David Diamond
 

What is Fusion?  I’ve heard of JAWS of course and zoomtext, but have no idea how Fusion works. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: August 10, 2022 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

Brian:

 

You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

Brian,

 

Actually, Ann’s original post was very specific as to her Fusion question. The confusion seemed to arise when others who don’t use the program started speculating  on how the program installs and operates. My recollection is that those were the posts causing the lack of clarity.

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 11:13 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 11:29 AM, Alan Lemly wrote:

But unless you are currently using Fusion, I’d suggest you not comment on how well Fusion functions based on what others have said.

-
Alan, all due respect, but "what others have said" is all any of us have to go on in many of these topics.

I get what it is you're saying, but it was the lack of clarity on exactly what Fusion is, and is not, putting on the desktop that, in my opinion, started all this.  If I only commented on things I'm absolutely up-to-the-moment current with rather than basing much on years of experience (though not with Fusion) I'd be able to comment on very little.  Body of knowledge should, and does, count for something, particularly when the thing under discussion has some very static features that have been around "forever."
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Curtis Chong
 

Greetings:

 

Let us now return to the original question, in case somebody needs a reminder.🙂

 

“Does the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her  [the student’s]) desktop?  Can she activate JAWS so we can use tandem?”

 

The specific answer to the questions are “yes,” and Yes.” The Fusion license will activate for full function of JAWS, ZoomText, and Fusion.

 

I think that should put this to rest.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 6:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws and fusion?

 

I will be working with a student who is running fusion with

zoomText.  Does the fusion install place a JAWS icon on her

desktop?  Can she activate JAWS so we can use tandem?

 

Thx,

 

Ann

 

 

 

 

 


 

David,

 

You can check out this link and I expect it will tell you everything you want to know about Fusion:

 

https://www.freedomscientific.com/products/software/fusion/

 

Alan Lemly

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 12:24 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

What is Fusion?  I’ve heard of JAWS of course and zoomtext, but have no idea how Fusion works. 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: August 10, 2022 8:02 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

Brian:

 

You can run JAWS and/or ZoomText as separate programs under your Fusion license, and you get both in any case. So, as a user, you can choose to run Fusion, JAWS, ZoomText, or any combination.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2022 8:58 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws and fusion?

 

On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 10:51 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Are you now saying that when Fusion is installed, you don’t get both JAWS and ZoomText as a part of the package?

-
No, I said precisely what you have:  Fusion is JAWS and ZoomText rolled into one.  But the last time I dealt with Fusion I thought I recalled there being a "Grand Unified Interface" from which you could choose, essentially, to use classic JAWS functions, classic ZoomText functions, or both at the same time.

That is why I find it confusing to see the phrasing, "running fusion with zoomText."   To me, that implies Fusion is installed, and ZoomText is installed as a separate thing, which makes zero sense to me.  If you're running Fusion you're running Fusion.  You may use whichever of the classic JAWS or ZoomText functions you wish, but you are not "running ZoomText" with Fusion, you are using the magnification features/side of Fusion.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall