On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the iPhone microphone or external.
On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos  on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.
On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Curtis!
I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.
Gene...
On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would
have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that
can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other
end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that
one app could be used for any app you want to record.

But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for
sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that
feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer
session.

When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira'
and 'Call Aira with message'.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a
recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us
to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if
they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our
computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder
to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I
cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It
used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more
even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to
myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had
I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2022 10:53 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi Glenn!

The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would
have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that
can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other
end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that
one app could be used for any app you want to record.

But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for
sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that
feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer
session.

When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira'
and 'Call Aira with message'.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:47 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Hi Gene,
I think Apple is trying to keep it safe from hacking, and that is why it is
so locked down.
I do like the way Android is easy to access, and root and all that.
However using both, I think the Android gestures are harder to use than the
IOS platform.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Glenn!
What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.
As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.
Gene...
On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:55 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Hi Gene,
But the problem with that is that recordings aren't accessible via plugging
in the iPhone, like videos and pictures.
I don't know if another app's video can be accessed in the dism folder or
not, that is the hundred thousand dollar question.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Glenn!
The problem I see with that is that every app you'd want to record would
have to add that capability. What might be better is a separate app that
can do the recording for you, then you just tell the person on the other
end that you are recording the session for later reference. Then that
one app could be used for any app you want to record.
But still, what you suggest is a good idea, they already do that for
sending a message to the agent before the connection is made. I use that
feature to let the agent know that the session will be a Team Viewer
session.
When you enable the message feature, you get two buttons, 'Call Aira'
and 'Call Aira with message'.
Gene...
On 7/7/2022 1:45 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I had actually suggested that they make two buttons, one to contact a
volunteer with a recording, and one to call a volunteer without a
recording.
And a message could pop up on the volunteer's screen that the call is
recorded for later reference by the caller.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Curtis!

I don't disagree with you, I've just never had the need to record an
Aira or Be My Eyes session or anything else while away from home.

Gene...

On 7/7/2022 1:29 PM, Curtis Delzer wrote:

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it
onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us
to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this
out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer
would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I
let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if
they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our
computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder
to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC,
but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I
cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It
used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more
even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned
in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to
myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had
I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

Maybe so, but I am already looking at a bit of a learning curve as I
adapt to Android and unlearn what iOS has taught me. But I'll get there
and from my memories, I'll ultimately be happier for it. I have never
liked Apple's walled garden approach, and I don't think it's about
security, they want to force you to have to use iTunes to transfer data
to and from your phone because maybe you'll buy your music from it. You
should read "After Steve" by Tripp Mickle.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:47 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Hi Gene,
I think Apple is trying to keep it safe from hacking, and that is why it
is
so locked down.
I do like the way Android is easy to access, and root and all that.
However using both, I think the Android gestures are harder to use than
the
IOS platform.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

What I don't understand is, why can't Apple be like Android and design
their phone to look like an external drive so you don't need any custom
software to put content on it or to retrieve your data off it.

As for me, I have been hearing that as long as I don't need or want to
use Braille on my phone, Android is now just as accessible as iOS, so I
am now looking at Android phones and will be dumping Apple. Before I
lost my vision, I preferred Android anyway, I only switched to iOS
because at the time I lost my vision iOS was far more accessible than
Android.

Gene...


On 7/7/2022 1:33 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us
to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if
they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash
drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your
photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for
all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:


Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our
computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple
iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder
to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco
Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed
empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I
cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It
used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more
even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to
myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had
I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...