moderated JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Gene Warner
 

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself, but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


Mike B.
 


Hi Gene,
 
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the Lightning to USB data / charging cable:
 
1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your iPhone.
 
2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E,  find Apple iPhone and press enter.
 
3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM, folder.
 
4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to, and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to the computer.
Stay safe & take care.  Mike.
 
 
 
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
Subject: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Gene Warner
 

Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy! Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...

On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the Lightning to USB data / charging cable:
1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your iPhone.
2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E,  find Apple iPhone and press enter.
3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM, folder.
4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to, and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi everyone!
I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.
Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.
So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.
I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.
Thanks!
Gene...


Glenn / Lenny
 

I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...

On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Mike!
Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!
After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.
I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.
Getting off my soapbox now...
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Glenn / Lenny
 

If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...













Gene Warner
 

Hi Mike!

Yipee! It works! You are the man!

With my iPhone SE 2022, this is what I found:

\Iphone\internal storage\dcim\

then a whole bunch of folders which I figured out were one folder for each month that I took a photo:

201901__
201903__
201904__
201906__
201907__
201908__
201909__
201910__
201912__
202003__
202006__
202008__
202009__
202011__
202101__
202104__
202105__
202106__
202108__
202201__
202202__
202203__
202205__
202206__
202207__
folders.txt


Not exactly the cleanest or easiest way, but if it gets my photos off the phone, I'll take it!

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Gene...

On 7/4/2022 2:29 PM, Gene Warner via groups.io wrote:
Hi Mike!
Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy! Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!
After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was nothing else available.
I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional accessibility statement like that.
Getting off my soapbox now...
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E,  find Apple iPhone and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM, folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to, and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Gene Warner
 

I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...

On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Glenn!
I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...













Glenn / Lenny
 

Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





















Gene Warner
 

Hi Glenn!

I understand now. In my case 99% of the time I need to make a recording of an Aira or Be My Eyes session, I'm at home at my desk, so I just use a voice recorder which allows me to copy off it recordings to my computer, which I do primarily as a backup.

But yeah, if I was out and about, it would be nice to have the option of recording a session on the phone and be able to copy them off to my computer later, come to think of it, Aira doesn't provide a way to record their sessions either.

Have you tried using a separate app to do the recording? It may not be as convenient as doing it within the Be My Eyes app, but if it works, it would still be on the phone instead of a separate device.

And as for copying my photos off the phone, the last time I tried it without iTunes or iCloud, Windows recognized the phone but you could not access it without Apple's software, and I had never heard that that had changed. And knowing how Apple is in love with their closed garden, I didn't think that they would ever open it up even a little bit.

Gene...

On 7/4/2022 3:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





















Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. Apple does make accessibility a priority for its users, when using Apple products. But they cannot possibly assure that apps for Windows will be accessible. If you were using a Mac, the app would most certainly be accessible to you.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 10:41 AM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...


Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. Do you realize that if Apple supported accessibility for all platforms, they would not only need to make their products accessible to Apple IOS,and Windows, but also Android and linux? with all the platforms out there, this would be almost impossible, and with every iteration of the software, they would need to test all the platforms to make sure nothing was broken in the translation between platforms. I don't think this is reasonably feasible.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Bill White
 

Hi again, Gene. Not only would Apple need to make their products accessible to the Apple computer operating systems, Apple IOS, Android, Linux, and Windows, but then, someone would argue that if these software versions weren't available in English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc, they wouldn't be accessible to everyone. When and where does it end?

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Gene Warner
 

Hi Bill!

I can understand that, but if Apple were as committed to the accessibility of their products as they want us to believe, they could certainly test their software for Windows as well as their iCloud web site on a Windows based PC just like everybody else!

The point is that they specifically choose not to, as I am sure that they have received plenty of complaints about this very thing and apparently have chosen not to do anything about it because it is still a problem.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter anymore, all I wanted is a way to get my photos off the phone and now I have that, so I consider the whole thing closed until its time to get a new phone. And then I will make my thoughts clear by voting with my wallet!

Gene...

On 7/4/2022 3:55 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. Apple does make accessibility a priority for its users, when using Apple products. But they cannot possibly assure that apps for Windows will be accessible. If you were using a Mac, the app would most certainly be accessible to you.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 10:41 AM
To: JAWS support list
Subject: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi everyone!
I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.
Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.
So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.
I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.
Thanks!
Gene...


Gene Warner
 

Yeah but their software for Windows is only one platform. And as global as they are, I'll bet their software and web sites are already available in a number of languages.

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinions and I am entitled to mine.

And I am done with this.

Gene...

On 7/4/2022 4:13 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi again, Gene. Not only would Apple need to make their products accessible to the Apple computer operating systems, Apple IOS, Android, Linux, and Windows, but then, someone would argue that if these software versions weren't available in English, Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, etc, they wouldn't be accessible to everyone. When and where does it end?
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Monday, July 4, 2022 11:29 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?
Hi Mike!
Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!
After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.
I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.
Getting off my soapbox now...
Thanks!
Gene...
On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...





Mark Fisher
 

Hi

I must be lucky - I've had no problems downloading photos after logging into iCloud on my PC. If anything, I've found it a lot easier than what I used to do with plugging in the iPhone.  It could be a little more accessible and having a little vision helps.
--
Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation of Western Australia


Darren Tomblin
 

Hi just wondering if anyone has tried using passwords from iCloud I’ve done all the steps but when I tried to insert one there’s none

73,
Darren Tomblin KC9JJJ

On Jul 5, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@...> wrote:

Hi

I must be lucky - I've had no problems downloading photos after logging into iCloud on my PC. If anything, I've found it a lot easier than what I used to do with plugging in the iPhone.  It could be a little more accessible and having a little vision helps.
--
Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation of Western Australia


Gene Warner
 

Hi Darren!

I encountered that problem too, I'd have to go through the login process several times before it would work.

Hi Mark!

I'd say you are lucky. Unlike you I found transfering my photos directly off the phone much easier than dealing with Apple's web site.

At this point I am so annoyed with the lie that is Apple's accessibility statement that I can no longer support them by using any of their products. So I am now researching Android phones as well as the Blind Shell 2, especially now that you can use it for Aira. Apple can pound sand for all that I care about them any more.

Gene...

On 7/5/2022 12:18 PM, Darren Tomblin wrote:
Hi just wondering if anyone has tried using passwords from iCloud I’ve done all the steps but when I tried to insert one there’s none
73,
Darren Tomblin KC9JJJ

On Jul 5, 2022, at 7:52 AM, Mark Fisher <fishsilv@...> wrote:

Hi

I must be lucky - I've had no problems downloading photos after logging into iCloud on my PC. If anything, I've found it a lot easier than what I used to do with plugging in the iPhone.  It could be a little more accessible and having a little vision helps.
--
Mark Fisher
Manager - People Systems
Water Corporation of Western Australia


Curtis Delzer
 

I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out, but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the, DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...
























--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...


Glenn / Lenny
 

All I've ever found to be accessible to a PC is pictures and videos.
That would be great if audio files could be copied out like pictures.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Delzer" <curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2022 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I wonder if the makers of "just press record" for the iPhone could be
persuaded to record the audio directly or, maybe it does already. Just
press record is great for on-the-fly audio recording with either the
iPhone microphone or external.

On 7/4/2022 12:27 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Gene,
Rather than using a second device for recording the session, it would be
nice for Be My Eyes, or another such app, to allow us to record it onto
the
iPhone and save it.
I've always known about plugging the phone into the computer allows us to
copy out the photos and videos, and I'm glad you finally found this out,
but
now that you know this, wouldn't you like to know it is there for your
apps
recordings as well?
Like I mentioned, it would be nice to do this without another device for
recording.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 2:21 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


I guess I don't really understand what you are getting at, for this
simple and accessible technique for getting photos off the iPhone, why
bother recording it? Just spread the word. I will admit that I have
recorded sessions with Aira, primarily because I am asking them to read
information off of something that I will want to transcribe into One
Note later and when I do that I always tell the agent that I'm recording
the session because as I understand it, it isn't entirely legal to
record someone without their knowledge or consent.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 3:05 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
If Be My Eyes added the feature to record our Be My Eyes sessions as a
video, we could plug our phones into the computer and copy them off the
phone to keep on the computer for later use.
For those who didn't know that plugging your phone into your computer
gives
you access to the pictures and videos on the phone.
Thus, if that app allowed us to save them, we could access them.
Many Blind folks only use their phone's camera for the Blindness apps.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Glenn!

I'm confused, what does recording Be My Eyes sessions have to do with
iCloud accessibility and getting my photos off of my iPhone? I'm not
criticizing, I'm just curious.

Gene...


On 7/4/2022 2:35 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I gave the suggestion to the makers of the Be My Eyes app that we be
given
the option to record the assistance, and of course the volunteer would
be
informed that it was recorded.
This way we can plug the phone into the computer and get the video off
the
phone for later reference.
This would be useful when having technology read to us for labeling of
the
controls.
I have recorded assistance before with a separate recorder, and I let
the
volunteers know I'm recording it.
Others who use Be My Eyes might let the makers of this app know if you
would
want this feature as well, as they would put a priority on this if they
thought others wanted it as well.

Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2022 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: JAWS and Apple's iCloud?


Hi Mike!

Oh man! If that works with my iPhone SE 2022, I will be so happy!
Finally an accessible way to get my photos off my phone!

After some googling around I discovered that Sandisk makes a flash drive
that they call iXpand which plugs into an iPhone to transfer your photos
onto, then you plug it into a USB port on your computer to copy the
photos to your computer. I was considering this approach if there was
nothing else available.

I called Apple support about this accessibility problem an their
position was that "Yes, they are committed to full accessibility for all
of their products", but what isn't said is that that commitment only
applies as long as you are using nothing but Apple products. Insert a
non Apple product and nothing is guaranteed. To me that is not
accessibility, to me accessibility should be platform agnostic. That
being said, my next phone will be an Android phone and Apple can pound
sand for all that I care! I simply cannot support a conditional
accessibility statement like that.

Getting off my soapbox now...

Thanks!
Gene...


On 7/4/2022 1:56 PM, Mike B. wrote:

Hi Gene,
Here's how we transfer photos from our SE2020 iPhones to our computers
running iOS14.8 and both Windows 7 & 10 operating systems using the
Lightning to USB data / charging cable:

1. Plug the iPhone into the PC using the lightning / USB cable, and
single finger double tap the Trust device option that pops up on your
iPhone.

2. Open Explorer with the keystroke, Windows key + E, find Apple iPhone
and press enter.

3. Select and open a folder named, Internal Storage, and open the,
DCIM,
folder.

4. The only folder I have here is, you may have more, 100Apple, and
this
is where my pictures are stored.
Now copy / paste this folder to a flashdrive or whatever you want to,
and you've successfully moved / saved a copy of your picture folder to
the computer.
Stay safe & take care. Mike.

Stay safe and take care. Mike.
PSA Folks: You can still get gas for under a dollar fifty at Taco Bell!
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Gene Warner <mailto:genewarner3@...>
*To:* JAWS support list <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:* Monday, July 04, 2022 10:40 AM
*Subject:* JAWS and Apple's iCloud?

Hi everyone!

I am trying to transfer all of my photos from my iPhone to my PC, but
so
far haven't had any luck. First, using Edge I logged into my Apple ID
then went to my iCloud drive with no problems. Then when I tried to
select my photos so I could download them, my iCloud drive seemed empty
even though it was reporting having something like 78 photos. I even
tried using the touch cursor but still had no luck.

Then I was told that I should install iCloud for Windows and it would
download my photos for me, so I did. Now I not only find that I cannot
access anything on my iCloud drive, the app won't stay loaded. It used
to have a notification area icon but that never shows up any more even
though all three startup programs that Apple installed are turned in
the
Windows 10 settings program.

So what do I do now? I know I could just email the pictures to myself,
but with almost 80 photos, that would be quite tedious.

I thought Apple was committed to full accessibility for all of their
products and I know that iCloud for Windows is an Apple product. Had I
known that Apple would make it this difficult, I'd have emailed the
photos to myself as soon as I took them.

Thanks!
Gene...

























--
Curtis Delzer
H.S.
K6VFO
Rialto, CA
curtis@...