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Jaws 17 Lagging


Maria Campbell
 

Of course FS is no longer run by the blind for the blind as in the Henter Joyce days.


Maria Campbell
lucky1@...

When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix
On 5/28/2016 6:48 PM, Tony wrote:

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  

If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.

I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.

My rant for the week.

Tony\



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.

      
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.

















Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Maria, you do in fact make a good point. *smile*

Cindy

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Maria Campbell
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 5:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

 

Of course FS is no longer run by the blind for the blind as in the Henter Joyce days.

 

Maria Campbell
lucky1@...
 
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace.
--Attributer to Jimmi Hendrix

On 5/28/2016 6:48 PM, Tony wrote:

Actually, Jaws has become more of a problem than it used to be.  Back when
it was somewhere in the single digit release (I started with version 0 and
had a low 4 digit serial) I was able to do just about anything I needed with
Jaws.  Even graphics were mostly easy to work with.  Unfortunately, web and
software developers of today aren't willing to spend the three minutes it
would take to properly tag a webpage for accessibility.  And most of them
are proud they saved the boss that three minutes.  
 
If you can get to someone with the authority to correct the problem they
don't want to hear about it or where to find the accessibility
documentation.  Many sites that were a breeze three years ago, and workable
a year ago, are now margin at best.  Some sites that have not changed in the
past few years are likewise less accessible due to "improvements" made to
Jaws.
 
I haven't had any contact with Freedom Scientific in years but in the
distant past they would implement someone's brainstorm and not worry about
the side effects.  I once asked one of the techs how to read a progress bar.
He said to cut out a strip in a piece of cardboard, place it on the screen,
and use a light detector.  The job would have been completed before I got
the cardboard properly aligned.
 
My rant for the week.
 
Tony\
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 4:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
 
Well, that's like comparing apples and oranges. Apples developed their own
screen reading software. I guess I feel that as long as FS and the others
keep at it, there's hope. Was the time we didn't get things until
obsolescence had set in. I won't say I don't get impatient; I do, but it is
still worlds better than it was, and it will continue to be even though it
might be at a snail's pace.
CL
 
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:59 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
 
My suspicion is that such problems are going to become a lot more common,
not less. Since Microsoft will update the OS as they feel like it, things
are going to get broken in the normal development process, and we can look
forward to more downtime. Folks on the Apple side of things have dealt with
this for years, where an application will stop working after an upgrade. I
can just hope that your prediction that it'll get easier will bear out,
despite my apprehensions.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 3:01 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging
 
Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@...> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
 
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message. 
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.
 
 
I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and it came up immediately.
 
Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't be so many different versions to deal with.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Don Moore <donmoore@...>
 

Hi Nicole,

I am using Windows 10, JAWS 17 (latest build) and Office 2013. The
only slowness I find is with Outlook 2013, where JAWS is slow to respond
when I press Control y to go to a particular folder and when I press Shift
Control v to move messages to a particular folder. However, if I press Shift
Control I to go back to the inbox, JAWS responds immediately. I called FS
about this slowness and was told that this is normal, but it's funny that I
never experienced this before upgrading to Windows 10.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Cindy Ray <cindyray@...>
 

Actually, I find it slow when I search in Word, when I use Outlook, and it
seems there was one other places. I think I've had better luck with 13 than
16 though.
Cindy

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Hi Nicole,

I am using Windows 10, JAWS 17 (latest build) and Office 2013. The
only slowness I find is with Outlook 2013, where JAWS is slow to respond
when I press Control y to go to a particular folder and when I press Shift
Control v to move messages to a particular folder. However, if I press Shift
Control I to go back to the inbox, JAWS responds immediately. I called FS
about this slowness and was told that this is normal, but it's funny that I
never experienced this before upgrading to Windows 10.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Nicole Massey <nyyki@...>
 

I think the reason why it jumps out at me is because this didn't happen in
15, and I did the upgrade to 17 a couple of days ago and it was obvious to
me as soon as I started doing my normal routine. I've also noticed that
sometimes it gives me a "blank" instead of the first letter of a response in
Outlook.
This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don Moore
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 11:11 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Hi Nicole,

I am using Windows 10, JAWS 17 (latest build) and Office 2013. The
only slowness I find is with Outlook 2013, where JAWS is slow to respond
when I press Control y to go to a particular folder and when I press Shift
Control v to move messages to a particular folder. However, if I press Shift
Control I to go back to the inbox, JAWS responds immediately. I called FS
about this slowness and was told that this is normal, but it's funny that I
never experienced this before upgrading to Windows 10.

Don

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nicole
Massey
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 12:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Jaws 17 Lagging

Okay, I just upgraded to Jaws 17 from Jaws 15. I'm running Windows 7 on a
Dell dual core machine.
I've managed to not have any of the annoying Jaws freeze problems in Outlook
that I had in 15 so far. However, I'm noticing that Jaws 17 seems slower. It
doesn't respond as quickly when reading things. Is this a known issue, or
something I'm dealing with because I'm running Windows 7? It slows down
things like clearing the junk email folder each morning, and it seems more
sluggish.


Jason White
 

Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

And as it did for me with JAWS 16.

They evidently fixed the bug.


Gene Stevens
 

I've had no issues with lag. I'm running the latest build of Win 10 and Jaws 17.0.1539 on a 64 bit Dell desktop with 4 Gig of RAM.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason White via Groups.io
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 8:37 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging

Nicole Massey <nyyki@gypsyheir.com> wrote:
This is a bit annoying, but it's nowhere as annoying as the system locking
up like it did all the time with Jaws 15.

And as it did for me with JAWS 16.

They evidently fixed the bug.


Dave...
 

Sorry I'm not compliant with the "standard" system configuration. If that's
my sin, then I'll just have to carry it with me to Hades.

Dave Carlson
Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason White via Groups.io" <jason=jasonjgw.net@groups.io>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2016 01:00 PM
Subject: Re: Jaws 17 Lagging


Dave Carlson <dgcarlson@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Exactly the same issues with the find, links list, and other JAWS dialogs.
It won't come up right away, and trying again results in that message.
Wait
15 to 20 seconds next time to see if it ultimately works.

I just tried Insert-F7 here (Windows 10, JAWS 17, latest update - Firefox)
and
it came up immediately.

Once most people are running Windows 10, and most peoples' systems are up to
date, it will be much easier to report and track down bugs, since there
won't
be so many different versions to deal with.