moderated issue with reading a pdf


Madison Martin
 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Gene Warner
 

It could be that instead of generating a PDF from the original document that was used to make the manual, they just scanned in a manual and saved the images in the PDF file. If they did that you'll need to go to the file in File Explorer, then use JAWS+Space,O,D to have JAWS OCR the file.

Gene...

On 11/18/2022 6:50 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Hi all,
I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.
Madison


Curtis Chong
 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Madison Martin
 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Karen Reynolds
 

Hi,

Open Word, go to open file. Go to the file you want to open. Press enter and wait. A dialog box will pop up telling you that word is converting the pdf to word. Tab to Okay and press it. It might take awhile depending on how large the pdf is.

 

The issue with doing this is that if there are a lot of graphics, it reads that and even tells you how large they are among other things. If I’ve tried changing in Adobe the accessibility setting to read left to right and top to bottom and it is still not reading it, I close it and use the OCR to Word instead. It seems to clear out the graphics stuff and leave just the text most of the time. Honestly though, I open pdf files on a daily basis and rarely run into this problem. I do have to often tell it how to read it though. For some reason even though that is set as the default in accessibility it doesn’t always seem to keep that as default. Something must override it.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Madison Martin
 

It’s not showing up in in the list of documents even though it’s saved in the documents folder under file explorer..

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: November 19, 2022 10:34 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi,

Open Word, go to open file. Go to the file you want to open. Press enter and wait. A dialog box will pop up telling you that word is converting the pdf to word. Tab to Okay and press it. It might take awhile depending on how large the pdf is.

 

The issue with doing this is that if there are a lot of graphics, it reads that and even tells you how large they are among other things. If I’ve tried changing in Adobe the accessibility setting to read left to right and top to bottom and it is still not reading it, I close it and use the OCR to Word instead. It seems to clear out the graphics stuff and leave just the text most of the time. Honestly though, I open pdf files on a daily basis and rarely run into this problem. I do have to often tell it how to read it though. For some reason even though that is set as the default in accessibility it doesn’t always seem to keep that as default. Something must override it.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 11:56 AM, Madison Martin wrote:
It’s not showing up in in the list of documents even though it’s saved in the documents folder under file explorer.
-
Did you switch the File Type dropdown in the MS-Word Open dialog to PDF?  It won't show up by default, only the MS-Word native format does.  If you want to open any other file type that MS-Word can open, you must select it from the File Type dropdown.

Under Word 2016, PDF, All Files, or All Word Documents choices should allow PDF files to show in the list of files in the Open dialog.  PDF makes it easiest to get rid of all other "clutter" to find what you're looking for.

I believe the default is Word Documents, which will only show files ending in the DOTX extension.  Even older Word Document formats, like DOC, don't show up unless you switch to one of them specifically, or to the All Word Documents or All Files File Type.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly.  Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy.

         ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian


Curtis Chong
 

Hello:

 

Find the file in File Explorer. Copy to Clipboard with CTRL+C.

 

Now, open Word into a blank document. Press CTRL+F12 to bring up Open. Press CTRL+V to paste. Press Enter.

 

Word will now bring up a dialog letting you know that it is converting a PDF file.

 

The problem, as has been said, is that all the graphics are kept, but if there is any readable text in the PDF, the text will be 100% accurate.

 

Best regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Madison Martin
 

Okay, how do I get to the file type drop-down?

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 19, 2022 11:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 11:56 AM, Madison Martin wrote:

It’s not showing up in in the list of documents even though it’s saved in the documents folder under file explorer.

-
Did you switch the File Type dropdown in the MS-Word Open dialog to PDF?  It won't show up by default, only the MS-Word native format does.  If you want to open any other file type that MS-Word can open, you must select it from the File Type dropdown.

Under Word 2016, PDF, All Files, or All Word Documents choices should allow PDF files to show in the list of files in the Open dialog.  PDF makes it easiest to get rid of all other "clutter" to find what you're looking for.

I believe the default is Word Documents, which will only show files ending in the DOTX extension.  Even older Word Document formats, like DOC, don't show up unless you switch to one of them specifically, or to the All Word Documents or All Files File Type.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly.  Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy.

         ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian


Madison Martin
 

Okay, I got a message saying that it’s having trouble opening the PDF because it exceeds the maximum page size supported by Word. Seems strange but I guess there’s nothing that I can do about it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 19, 2022 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hello:

 

Find the file in File Explorer. Copy to Clipboard with CTRL+C.

 

Now, open Word into a blank document. Press CTRL+F12 to bring up Open. Press CTRL+V to paste. Press Enter.

 

Word will now bring up a dialog letting you know that it is converting a PDF file.

 

The problem, as has been said, is that all the graphics are kept, but if there is any readable text in the PDF, the text will be 100% accurate.

 

Best regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Curtis Chong
 

Suggest using Adobe’s Acrobat Reader software at least to open the PDF. Warning, it will take some time if the document is exceedingly large.

 

Curtis

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

Okay, I got a message saying that it’s having trouble opening the PDF because it exceeds the maximum page size supported by Word. Seems strange but I guess there’s nothing that I can do about it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 19, 2022 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hello:

 

Find the file in File Explorer. Copy to Clipboard with CTRL+C.

 

Now, open Word into a blank document. Press CTRL+F12 to bring up Open. Press CTRL+V to paste. Press Enter.

 

Word will now bring up a dialog letting you know that it is converting a PDF file.

 

The problem, as has been said, is that all the graphics are kept, but if there is any readable text in the PDF, the text will be 100% accurate.

 

Best regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


Karen Reynolds
 

Sounds like you either need to use the Jaws OCR or open it in Adobe or a web browser.

 

Karen

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 2:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

Okay, I got a message saying that it’s having trouble opening the PDF because it exceeds the maximum page size supported by Word. Seems strange but I guess there’s nothing that I can do about it.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 19, 2022 11:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hello:

 

Find the file in File Explorer. Copy to Clipboard with CTRL+C.

 

Now, open Word into a blank document. Press CTRL+F12 to bring up Open. Press CTRL+V to paste. Press Enter.

 

Word will now bring up a dialog letting you know that it is converting a PDF file.

 

The problem, as has been said, is that all the graphics are kept, but if there is any readable text in the PDF, the text will be 100% accurate.

 

Best regards,

 

Curtis Chong

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2022 9:16 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

How do I open it in Word? When I saved it the only two file type options that came up were

PDF and all file type.

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: November 18, 2022 7:27 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

I suggest opening the PDF either with Microsoft Word or with Acrobat Reader. This will tell you whether there is any readable text in the file. Worst case, subject the PDF to JAWS Convenient OCR.

 

Kindly,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Madison Martin
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 4:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: issue with reading a pdf

 

Hi all,

I just downloaded the user manual for my external keyboard but I can’t get jaws to read it; all it keeps saying is automatic zoom. I know that pdfs normally have options for zooming in/out but after you get past this you can often read the document. Any ideas as to how I can get Jaws to read this one? I downloaded it off of the website using Firefox as my browser and then saved it on my USB stick and when it opened it opened in Firefox. Using latest versions of Firefox, Jaws and Windows 11. Thanks for any help that anyone can provide me.

Madison


 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 02:12 PM, Madison Martin wrote:
Okay, how do I get to the file type drop-down?
-
Madison,

It is the next control beyond the File Name edit box.

I strongly suggest you start exploring dialog boxes when someone indicates to you that something is a part of one.  A few seconds of tabbing around will cycle you through all the controls in a dialog box, which you should make a habit of having looked at, at least once, when you're first using them.  There are always controls you need every once in a while that it really helps to know that they're there, and that's how you learn about what's there.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly.  Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy.

         ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian


JM Casey
 

And, I would add to this, that something like the save or open file dialogues in Windows, are the same, or almost the same, in nearly every programme. It’s a standard setup. So familiarise yourself with things like that, and you’ll be good for almost any programme going forward, not just Adobe or Word or whatever.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: November 19, 2022 07:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: issue with reading a pdf

 

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 02:12 PM, Madison Martin wrote:

Okay, how do I get to the file type drop-down?

-
Madison,

It is the next control beyond the File Name edit box.

I strongly suggest you start exploring dialog boxes when someone indicates to you that something is a part of one.  A few seconds of tabbing around will cycle you through all the controls in a dialog box, which you should make a habit of having looked at, at least once, when you're first using them.  There are always controls you need every once in a while that it really helps to know that they're there, and that's how you learn about what's there.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 19045  

If you cannot or will not imagine the results of your actions, there’s no way you can act morally or responsibly.  Little kids can’t do it; babies are morally monsters — completely greedy. Their imagination has to be trained into foresight and empathy.

         ~ Ursula LeGuin, 2005 Interview in The Guardian