Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS 2021? The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like smileys and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS 2021? The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like smileys and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I tried editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the "Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS 2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I tried editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the "Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS 2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew, and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct", and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then
take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file
from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would
do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

Annabelle,
I just used Jaws dictionary manager to change it to "shushing", as a test.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?


I wonder how I would change the pronunciation of characters like "🫢", "🤫",

"🤬", and the like? For example, I want "🤫" to say something like "Shushing

Face". Would I put something like:
symbol109=U+1f92b 11111111 Shushing Face

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then
take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file
from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line
that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having
to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would
do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things
like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian,
Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 10:12 AM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


Annabelle,
I just used Jaws dictionary manager to change it to "shushing", as a test.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?


I wonder how I would change the pronunciation of characters like "🫢", "🤫",
"🤬", and the like? For example, I want "🤫" to say something like "Shushing
Face". Would I put something like:
symbol109=U+1f92b 11111111 Shushing Face

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then
take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file
from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would
do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian, Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

Hey Glenn!
I've tried that before, but I'm thinking of doing this in the "Eloq.sbl"
file, as it worked before in previous versions of JAWS.

On 07/01/2022 10:12 AM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


Annabelle,
I just used Jaws dictionary manager to change it to "shushing", as a
test.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?


I wonder how I would change the pronunciation of characters like "🫢",
"🤫",
"🤬", and the like? For example, I want "🤫" to say something like
"Shushing
Face". Would I put something like:
symbol109=U+1f92b 11111111 Shushing Face

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",

and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make
a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then

take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a
single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file

from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line
that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character
I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing
the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to
read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having
to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would

do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS
like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things
like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian,
Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 2:20 PM Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:


One note, I do suggest making changes in the user file rather than
default because changes to the default can be lost any time you update
to a new jaws build.

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Glenn!
I've tried that before, but I'm thinking of doing this in the "Eloq.sbl"
file, as it worked before in previous versions of JAWS.

On 07/01/2022 10:12 AM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


Annabelle,
I just used Jaws dictionary manager to change it to "shushing", as a
test.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?


I wonder how I would change the pronunciation of characters like "🫢",
"🤫",
"🤬", and the like? For example, I want "🤫" to say something like
"Shushing
Face". Would I put something like:
symbol109=U+1f92b 11111111 Shushing Face

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl", "Eloqmain.dct",

and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory. make
a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes, then

take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a
single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl file

from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line
that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character
I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing
the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to
read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without having
to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that would

do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS
like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things
like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian,
Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...

One note, I do suggest making changes in the user file rather than
default because changes to the default can be lost any time you update
to a new jaws build.

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Glenn!
I've tried that before, but I'm thinking of doing this in the "Eloq.sbl"
file, as it worked before in previous versions of JAWS.

On 07/01/2022 10:12 AM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


Annabelle,
I just used Jaws dictionary manager to change it to "shushing", as a
test.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?


I wonder how I would change the pronunciation of characters like "🫢",
"🤫",
"🤬", and the like? For example, I want "🤫" to say something like
"Shushing
Face". Would I put something like:
symbol109=U+1f92b 11111111 Shushing Face

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",

and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory.
make
a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes,
then

take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a
single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl
file

from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line
that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character
I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing
the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to
read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without
having
to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that
would

do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison
<foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS
like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things
like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian,
Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...

On 07/02/2022 3:32 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


True! I do replace it whenever jaws gets an update installed.
But worth to say, it works better with all the changes with the
default app data file. the user data folder sometimes doesn't apply or
the changes on the sbl file or doesn't work effectively all together.
I do change a spare copy of the sbl file to be copied and replaced
every time needed to the default program data.
TC
On 7/1/22, Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@...> wrote:

One note, I do suggest making changes in the user file rather than
default because changes to the default can be lost any time you update
to a new jaws build.

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

Hey Glenn!
I've tried that before, but I'm thinking of doing this in the "Eloq.sbl"
file, as it worked before in previous versions of JAWS.

On 07/01/2022 10:12 AM Glenn / Lenny <glenn@...> wrote:


Annabelle,
I just used Jaws dictionary manager to change it to "shushing", as a
test.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Annabelle Susan Morison" <foristnights@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2022 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Is "Eloq.sbl" Still Applicable?


I wonder how I would change the pronunciation of characters like "🫢",
"🤫",
"🤬", and the like? For example, I want "🤫" to say something like
"Shushing
Face". Would I put something like:
symbol109=U+1f92b 11111111 Shushing Face

On 07/01/2022 9:58 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


I'm not sure what they stand for.,
Those I haven't change. they were there prior to any editing done, All
I did is changing the last word in each line.
TC

On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:

In the example lines you provide, What do the numbers stand for? I'm
referring to the part where the numbers say "11,111,111".

On 07/01/2022 9:35 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


To be honest, I have no idea!
What I know is the .sbl file is the one to play with successfully.
TC
On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

I wonder, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",

and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

On 07/01/2022 7:56 AM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
My name is a mid eastern one I don't think its another version.
you don't need to work on the file in its default directory.
make
a
copy for that purpose to other place then make your changes,
then

take
it back and replace it. also make a backup copy for the original
one.
And If you have another eloq.sbl file and made changes on it or
you can test your work with changing the pronunciation of a
single
symbol and save it then replace the file with the one in the
directory
I've mentioned earlier, just make sure to take a copy of the
original
one as a backup somewhere else.

Here is a sample of how I did edit it and it still works,
you can do it if you know which line to edit.
I had a reference to all Arabic letters within the eloq.sbl
file

from
someone back then that made it much easier for me to work on it.
below the sample lines, you See the last "word" in each line
that's
what eloquence pronounces when encounter an Arabic character
I've
edited them to my liking using note pad.

symbol55=U+631 11111111 reh
symbol56=U+632 11111111 zeh
symbol57=U+633 11111111 seh
symbol58=U+634 11111111 sheh
symbol59=U+635 11111111 sah
symbol60=U+636 11111111 dhdheh
symbol61=U+637 11111111 ta
symbol62=U+638 11111111 dheh
symbol63=U+639 11111111 aa
symbol64=U+63a 11111111 gheh
symbol65=U+640 11111101 teh
symbol66=U+641 11111111 ffeh

TC


On 7/1/22, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hey Hareth!
Interesting name by the way. Is it like a version of Harry? I
tried
editing
the file you described, but nothing changed! Not even editing
the
"Symbol
Descriptions.txt" file did anything either. What do I do next?

On 06/30/2022 11:25 PM Hareth <hareth4m@...> wrote:


Hi Annabelle,
"Eloq.sbl" works for me, I've edited it many years back to
read
Arabic
in a way I understand on the fly and real quick without
having
to
change the tts voice to anything other than eloquence. But I
don't
use
the user data directory.
Instead I replace it with the default one in the:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom
Scientific\JAWS\20xx\SETTINGS\eloq.sbl"
replace the "xx" with 21 in your case and open the folder as:
"C:\ProgramData\Freedom Scientific\JAWS\2021\SETTINGS\"
Paste the file and replace it following the prompts, that
would

do
it.
TC
On 6/30/22, Annabelle Susan Morison
<foristnights@...>
wrote:

Hi, it's Annabelle.
Is "Eloq.sbl" still applicable in later versions of JAWS
like
JAWS
2021?
The
reason why I'm asking this is because I want to add some
characters
that
JAWS seems to ignore when I type them. Particularly things
like
smileys
and
characters of foreign languages like Japanese, Russian,
Hebrew,
and
Greek.
By the way, what's the difference between "Eloq.sbl",
"Eloqmain.dct",
and
"Eloquence.vpf"?

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