moderated Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following:
Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen.
However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mark
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 6:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Glenn / Lenny
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The thing is, I have never had a problem with Jaws
finding something on a refreshed page.
But on web pages, I just use control F, not insert
control F and that works well.
I only use insert with it when I'm searching
through an eMail message, because obviously, control F typically would forward
the message.
Glenn
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From: Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Shirley Tracy
Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: Adrian Spratt
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 10:05 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Glenn / Lenny
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LOL
I always refer to the Jaws key as the insert
key.
I could see where one could mix up insert with
enter,
after all, when you enter, you are affectively
inserting something to the computer.
But when some folks say Jaws, they mean insert, and
caps lock if Jaws is in laptop layout.
Glenn
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From: Shirley
Tracy
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:28 PM
Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From:
Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Mike B.
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Hi Shirley,
It's the JAWS key.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Shirley
Tracy
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From:
Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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David Diamond
Yes. It does get confusing. When I saw the subject line, I thought why not just call it the jaws key. I think with NVDA, it is referred to as the NVDA key. Shirley, we all have brain cramps or fog at times.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: May 18, 2022 11:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Hi Shirley,
It's the JAWS key.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Tracy Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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David Diamond
Well, perhaps I’m wrong to do so, however, I have a wireless desktop keyboard connected to my laptop. Thus set JAWS to desktop mode.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: May 18, 2022 11:34 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
LOL I always refer to the Jaws key as the insert key. I could see where one could mix up insert with enter, after all, when you enter, you are affectively inserting something to the computer. But when some folks say Jaws, they mean insert, and caps lock if Jaws is in laptop layout. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Tracy Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Dan Yates
Not wrong or right, just whatever works! Lol
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On May 18, 2022, at 3:34 PM, David Diamond <Daviddiamond2019@...> wrote:
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Shirley Tracy
Thank you.
Shirley Tracy
From: David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 3:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Yes. It does get confusing. When I saw the subject line, I thought why not just call it the jaws key. I think with NVDA, it is referred to as the NVDA key. Shirley, we all have brain cramps or fog at times.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Shirley,
It's the JAWS key.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Tracy Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 11:28 AM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Glenn / Lenny
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I use laptop mode for all keyboards.
----- Original Message -----
From: David Diamond
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? Well, perhaps I’m wrong to do so, however, I have a wireless desktop keyboard connected to my laptop. Thus set JAWS to desktop mode.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Glenn / Lenny
LOL I always refer to the Jaws key as the insert key. I could see where one could mix up insert with enter, after all, when you enter, you are affectively inserting something to the computer. But when some folks say Jaws, they mean insert, and caps lock if Jaws is in laptop layout. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Tracy Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Marie Nelson
Someone posted an alternative keystroke to normalize the function keys. There was a key along with the left arrow. I thought I had save the post but …? Could you please re-post? Thanks so much, Marie
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 8:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
I use laptop mode for all keyboards.
----- Original Message ----- From: David Diamond Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 2:34 PM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Well, perhaps I’m wrong to do so, however, I have a wireless desktop keyboard connected to my laptop. Thus set JAWS to desktop mode.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
LOL I always refer to the Jaws key as the insert key. I could see where one could mix up insert with enter, after all, when you enter, you are affectively inserting something to the computer. But when some folks say Jaws, they mean insert, and caps lock if Jaws is in laptop layout. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: Shirley Tracy Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2022 1:28 PM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Please forgive this silly question, but when referring to the insert key, do you all mean the JAWS key or the Enter Key? I’m digging through my memory and can’t remember.
Thanks.
Shirley
Shirley Tracy
From: Adrian Spratt
Here’s a non-techy understanding. You’re probably familiar with the F5 refresh process. The JAWS insert-escape command refreshes a screen in the sense that JAWS catches up with what is displayed on the screen. Often when JAWS can’t find something on a webpage that you’d expect to find there, insert-escape will enable JAWS to find it. I use the command many times daily.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mark
I was just introduced to Insert + Escape. This does the following: Repaints all currently displayed items on the screen. However, I don't understand the sort of scenarios where I would use this. Can someone describe them?
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Ann Byrne
Insert+escape has two functions: one to redraw the screen, the other to set low or muted volume to 50%. So. If your volume is so low you can't adjust it, pressing insert+escape will set it to 50%.
Sweet!
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Adrian Spratt
Add one more function: This key combo unmutes sound even if the window with the sound muted isn't in focus. Not so sweet because I use the combo a lot to repaint screens, and half the time I do, suddenly I'm barraged by music.
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I've brought the conflict to FS/Vispero's attention many times, but all in vain.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 8:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? Insert+escape has two functions: one to redraw the screen, the other to set low or muted volume to 50%. So. If your volume is so low you can't adjust it, pressing insert+escape will set it to 50%. Sweet!
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Mike B.
Hi Adrian,
Take a look at the JAWS keyboard manager and maybe you
can reassign a keystroke or two so this doesn't happen.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian
Spratt
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? I've brought the conflict to FS/Vispero's attention many times, but all in vain. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 8:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? Insert+escape has two functions: one to redraw the screen, the other to set low or muted volume to 50%. So. If your volume is so low you can't adjust it, pressing insert+escape will set it to 50%. Sweet!
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Justin Williams
How do you do that with the screen refresh as the main keystroke?
Is that a jaws passthrough key?
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 12:44 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Hi Adrian,
Take a look at the JAWS keyboard manager and maybe you can reassign a keystroke or two so this doesn't happen.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Add one more function: This key combo unmutes sound even if the window with the sound muted isn't in focus. Not so sweet because I use the combo a lot to repaint screens, and half the time I do, suddenly I'm barraged by music.
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Mike B.
Hi Justin,
Look in the Default dictionary manager. I haven't
looked because I'm not experiencing any problems and that's why I said, * maybe
* , you can change this keystroeke.
You do have a good idea if it can be done, using the
bypass keystroke, then pressing another key sequence.
But, I just don't know how to assign a keystroke to be
performed after invoking the bypass keystroke can be done using the JAWS
keyboard manager.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Justin
Williams
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? How do you do that with the screen refresh as the main keystroke?
Is that a jaws passthrough key?
Justin
From: main@jfw.groups.io
[mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike B.
Hi Adrian,
Take a look at the JAWS keyboard manager and maybe you can reassign a keystroke or two so this doesn't happen.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Adrian Spratt Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:41 PM Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it?
Add one more function: This key
combo unmutes sound even if the window with the sound muted isn't in focus. Not
so sweet because I use the combo a lot to repaint screens, and half the time I
do, suddenly I'm barraged by music.
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Josh Kennedy
if you don't want your sound unmuted when you hit the refresh screen command, then you have to modify the jaws refreshScreen script in script manager by first opening the script manager, press alt+f then down arrow to open shared file, and open the default.jss file. then look for the script that is called, refreshScreen. Inside that script there is a line that says something like unmute sound card. select and delete that line of the script then hit control s to save and recompile the script which will then save it as a user script and that will take priority over your shared jaws scripts. Now close script manager and restart jaws if you hear the message compile complete. And now that the unMute sound card line is out of there, jaws should not unmute sound every time you want to refresh the screen. Now if you want to get more complicated than that, you may be able to add a condition to the script and so the script will check and see if anything such as mucic is playing and if it is, then jaws will not unmute sound card, but if it is not, then jaws will ttry unmuting the sound card. but I am not advanced enough with scripting to know how to do that.
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ratshtron
Just place a semi-colon at beginning of that line.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2022 7:41:03 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Re: Insert + Escape, when to use it? if you don't want your sound unmuted when you hit the refresh screen command, then you have to modify the jaws refreshScreen script in script manager by first opening the script manager, press alt+f then down arrow to open shared file, and open the default.jss
file. then look for the script that is called, refreshScreen. Inside that script there is a line that says something like unmute sound card. select and delete that line of the script then hit control s to save and recompile the script which will then save
it as a user script and that will take priority over your shared jaws scripts. Now close script manager and restart jaws if you hear the message compile complete. And now that the unMute sound card line is out of there, jaws should not unmute sound every time
you want to refresh the screen. Now if you want to get more complicated than that, you may be able to add a condition to the script and so the script will check and see if anything such as mucic is playing and if it is, then jaws will not unmute sound card,
but if it is not, then jaws will ttry unmuting the sound card. but I am not advanced enough with scripting to know how to do that.
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Ann Byrne
Another way to negate a command in a script is to put a semicolon at the beginning of the line before compiling. that way if you ever want the command back, it's available.
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At 07:41 AM 5/21/2022, you wrote:
if you don't want your sound unmuted when you hit the refresh screen command, then you have to modify the jaws refreshScreen script in script manager by first opening the script manager, press alt+f then down arrow to open shared file, and open the default.jss file. then look for the script that is called, refreshScreen. Inside that script there is a line that says something like unmute sound card. select and delete that line of the script then hit control s to save and recompile the script which will then save it as a user script and that will take priority over your shared jaws scripts. Now close script manager and restart jaws if you hear the message compile complete. And now that the unMute sound card line is out of there, jaws should not unmute sound every time you want to refresh the screen. Now if you want to get more complicated than that, you may be able to add a condition to the script and so the script will check and see if anything such as mucic is playing and if it is, then jaws will not unmute sound card, but if it is not, then jaws will ttry unmuting the sound card. but I am not advanced enough with scripting to know how to do that.
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