moderated From Edge to Firefox


JM Casey
 

Probably. I’m not an Iphone user but some of the standard adblockers for Chrome for instance work on phones. So I guess whatever you are using on safari probably works on iOS too.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rahul Bajaj
Sent: October 2, 2022 02:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

Is there an accessible ad blocler for the iphone?


From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of JM Casey <jmcasey@...>
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 11:28:48 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

Yeah, I’ve seen some of u-block origin’s list and it is…very extensive to say the least.

And of course a big thing I use an ad-blocker for is youtube. I play youtube videos while I’m doing stuff aroudn the house and not attending to the computer. If I didn’t have a blocker I’d be having ads thrown at me every five minutes, which is how it works on the youtube app on my phone.

I doubt the hostfile approach works for this.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 2, 2022 01:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 01:04 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I'm a little skeptical whether it's as effective as an ad-blocker, or else they woudlnt' be used by some of the very tech-savvy people I know who do use them.

-
Your skepticism is warranted.  These purpose-dedicated tools did not come into existence because the hosts file "can do it all."  Not to mention no end user is as likely to be able to keep up on all the hosts that need to be blocked as organizations dedicated to security and ad-blocking do.

There's more, a lot more, to ad blocking than the hosts file, and all you need to do is look at any one of the common subscription lists used by multiple ad-blockers to see just how much more.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Gene Warner
 

ESR?

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 1:40 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I use the ESR version, and sometimes FF crashes.
Amazon.com is the worse pages for FF, I sometimes clear the history in FF,
and that helps speed it up, but not for long.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox
Be careful, I have been using firefox for a while, and at least on my
system, Jaws tends to freeze up quite a lot and there are other
accessibility problems. Its a very nice browser, but Jaws does not
always get along.
On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:15:38 -0400,
JM Casey wrote:

Oh, I'm sure that is google's motivation. But I’m not on the internet to
please google -- only for my own benefit. And many people are very
displeased about this new Google plan.
What's that approach you mean?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from working
since advertising is where they get most of their income.

I guess I'm patient because even if Firefox is slower than Chromium based
browsers, I'm not worried or concerned about it.

And for blocking ads, I use an approach to blocking ads that doesn't
depend on an add on and works for any browser I choose to use without
needing me to do anything with the browser.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
I haven't really been inconvenienced by the problems you mentioned using
Chrome. However, I would like to ween myself away from it, given the
thing I mentioned earlier -- I don't know what I'd do without my
ad-blocker and the fact that google is trying to break them is really
irksome. Also, all other Chromium-based browsers will eventually
probably have to switch to manifest 3 for extensions too, and then, you
can say goodbye to the proper functionality of your ad-blocker. Brave
might be an exception, but I have some misgivings about that one, too --
might consider using it a little more in the coming year though.
I still find Firefox to be a bit slow, and this is unfortunate. It just
doesn't seem as responsive on my system as chrome does.
I also have Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based, and which I'd really love
to use more, but it has some quirks which mean I haven't figured out how
to best make use of it with a screen-reader. Its days of full
add-blocker functionality are, of course, also numbered.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

You could be right there, the Chromium engine seems to be gathering a
number of problems with screen readers that don't seem to be getting any
attention. Problems like the screen reader suddenly losing its focus on
the browser, or the cursor suddenly jumping to the beginning or the end
of the page just to name two of them.

I have the documentation files already, maybe I'll just decide to start
a list for visually impaired Firefox users myself.

I'm already on the Tech Talk list so I'll try there for now, but a list
for visually impaired Firefox users seems like a very appealing idea.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:18 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
I don't know of such a list, nor, indeed, many mailing lists of this
specific nature. You could always post to BlindTech, or even this list,
probably, as subjects that are not altogether directly related to
screen-readers seem more OK here than on the nVDA main list, for
instance. I think Mozilla also has a forum of some kind on their
website. Not sure how many visually impaired users there would be
there, but you could still consider it a helpful resource.

I think we will see a massive influx of Firefox users starting next
year, as Chrome is moving to manifest 3 and will be preventing things
like ad-blockers from properly doing their jobs. So maybe the creation
of such a list as you are asking for is not far off on the horizon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 09:46 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: From Edge to Firefox

Because of all the strange behaviors that Chromium based browsers are
showing with JAWS I have decided to switch to Firefox. There is a
support list for visually impaired users of Thunderbird, but there
doesn't appear to be a similar list for Firefox. So can anyone suggest
an appropriate list where I can get any help I might need while making
the transition?

Thanks!
Gene...



























Gene Warner
 

I am happy with using a hosts file and I don't need your disapproval.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 1:48 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 01:04 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I'm a little skeptical whether it's as effective as an ad-blocker,
or else they woudlnt' be used by some of the very tech-savvy people
I know who do use them.
-
Your skepticism is warranted.  These purpose-dedicated tools did not come into existence because the hosts file "can do it all."  Not to mention no end user is as likely to be able to keep up on all the hosts that need to be blocked as organizations dedicated to security and ad-blocking do.
There's more, a lot more, to ad blocking than the hosts file, and all you need to do is look at any one of the common subscription lists used by multiple ad-blockers to see just how much more.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*
    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


JM Casey
 

Yes. And I miss them. For sure there have been great developments, but the experience often does seem worse than it used to e in many cases/areas. I know there are many factors behidn this: the amount of moving parts (so to speak, of course we are talking about software) now involved make things more complicated by default/behind the scenes, and companies like Google and Amazon inserting themselves into so many aspects of our everyday lives and experience.
But the old days are gone.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 2, 2022 01:38 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

It's getting worse, I'm finding pages that I have to sign in with my gMail account to read a page.
yeah, remember the golden days of the Internet?

----- Original Message -----
From: "JM Casey" <jmcasey@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


Oh, I'm sure that is google's motivation. But I’m not on the internet to
please google -- only for my own benefit. And many people are very
displeased about this new Google plan.
What's that approach you mean?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from working
since advertising is where they get most of their income.

I guess I'm patient because even if Firefox is slower than Chromium based
browsers, I'm not worried or concerned about it.

And for blocking ads, I use an approach to blocking ads that doesn't depend
on an add on and works for any browser I choose to use without needing me to
do anything with the browser.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
I haven't really been inconvenienced by the problems you mentioned using
Chrome. However, I would like to ween myself away from it, given the thing
I mentioned earlier -- I don't know what I'd do without my ad-blocker and
the fact that google is trying to break them is really irksome. Also, all
other Chromium-based browsers will eventually probably have to switch to
manifest 3 for extensions too, and then, you can say goodbye to the proper
functionality of your ad-blocker. Brave might be an exception, but I have
some misgivings about that one, too -- might consider using it a little
more in the coming year though.
I still find Firefox to be a bit slow, and this is unfortunate. It just
doesn't seem as responsive on my system as chrome does.
I also have Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based, and which I'd really love to
use more, but it has some quirks which mean I haven't figured out how to
best make use of it with a screen-reader. Its days of full add-blocker
functionality are, of course, also numbered.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

You could be right there, the Chromium engine seems to be gathering a
number of problems with screen readers that don't seem to be getting any
attention. Problems like the screen reader suddenly losing its focus on
the browser, or the cursor suddenly jumping to the beginning or the end of
the page just to name two of them.

I have the documentation files already, maybe I'll just decide to start a
list for visually impaired Firefox users myself.

I'm already on the Tech Talk list so I'll try there for now, but a list
for visually impaired Firefox users seems like a very appealing idea.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:18 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
I don't know of such a list, nor, indeed, many mailing lists of this
specific nature. You could always post to BlindTech, or even this list,
probably, as subjects that are not altogether directly related to
screen-readers seem more OK here than on the nVDA main list, for
instance. I think Mozilla also has a forum of some kind on their website.
Not sure how many visually impaired users there would be there, but you
could still consider it a helpful resource.

I think we will see a massive influx of Firefox users starting next year,
as Chrome is moving to manifest 3 and will be preventing things like
ad-blockers from properly doing their jobs. So maybe the creation of such
a list as you are asking for is not far off on the horizon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 09:46 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: From Edge to Firefox

Because of all the strange behaviors that Chromium based browsers are
showing with JAWS I have decided to switch to Firefox. There is a support
list for visually impaired users of Thunderbird, but there doesn't appear
to be a similar list for Firefox. So can anyone suggest an appropriate
list where I can get any help I might need while making the transition?

Thanks!
Gene...


















John Covici
 

I use reader mode in Chrome and in firefox and that gets rid of most
adds, without even using an add blocker. Sometimes, some things get
through, but its much better.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:05:54 -0400,
Gene Warner wrote:

ESR?

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 1:40 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I use the ESR version, and sometimes FF crashes.
Amazon.com is the worse pages for FF, I sometimes clear the history in FF,
and that helps speed it up, but not for long.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


Be careful, I have been using firefox for a while, and at least on my
system, Jaws tends to freeze up quite a lot and there are other
accessibility problems. Its a very nice browser, but Jaws does not
always get along.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:15:38 -0400,
JM Casey wrote:

Oh, I'm sure that is google's motivation. But I’m not on the internet to
please google -- only for my own benefit. And many people are very
displeased about this new Google plan.
What's that approach you mean?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from working
since advertising is where they get most of their income.

I guess I'm patient because even if Firefox is slower than Chromium based
browsers, I'm not worried or concerned about it.

And for blocking ads, I use an approach to blocking ads that doesn't
depend on an add on and works for any browser I choose to use without
needing me to do anything with the browser.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
I haven't really been inconvenienced by the problems you mentioned using
Chrome. However, I would like to ween myself away from it, given the
thing I mentioned earlier -- I don't know what I'd do without my
ad-blocker and the fact that google is trying to break them is really
irksome. Also, all other Chromium-based browsers will eventually
probably have to switch to manifest 3 for extensions too, and then, you
can say goodbye to the proper functionality of your ad-blocker. Brave
might be an exception, but I have some misgivings about that one, too --
might consider using it a little more in the coming year though.
I still find Firefox to be a bit slow, and this is unfortunate. It just
doesn't seem as responsive on my system as chrome does.
I also have Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based, and which I'd really love
to use more, but it has some quirks which mean I haven't figured out how
to best make use of it with a screen-reader. Its days of full
add-blocker functionality are, of course, also numbered.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

You could be right there, the Chromium engine seems to be gathering a
number of problems with screen readers that don't seem to be getting any
attention. Problems like the screen reader suddenly losing its focus on
the browser, or the cursor suddenly jumping to the beginning or the end
of the page just to name two of them.

I have the documentation files already, maybe I'll just decide to start
a list for visually impaired Firefox users myself.

I'm already on the Tech Talk list so I'll try there for now, but a list
for visually impaired Firefox users seems like a very appealing idea.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:18 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
I don't know of such a list, nor, indeed, many mailing lists of this
specific nature. You could always post to BlindTech, or even this list,
probably, as subjects that are not altogether directly related to
screen-readers seem more OK here than on the nVDA main list, for
instance. I think Mozilla also has a forum of some kind on their
website. Not sure how many visually impaired users there would be
there, but you could still consider it a helpful resource.

I think we will see a massive influx of Firefox users starting next
year, as Chrome is moving to manifest 3 and will be preventing things
like ad-blockers from properly doing their jobs. So maybe the creation
of such a list as you are asking for is not far off on the horizon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 09:46 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: From Edge to Firefox

Because of all the strange behaviors that Chromium based browsers are
showing with JAWS I have decided to switch to Firefox. There is a
support list for visually impaired users of Thunderbird, but there
doesn't appear to be a similar list for Firefox. So can anyone suggest
an appropriate list where I can get any help I might need while making
the transition?

Thanks!
Gene...





























--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:09 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
I am happy with using a hosts file and I don't need your disapproval.
-
And I don't need your inane rejoinders.  This group, and the posts to it, are not just for your consumption.  The membership as a whole, and later readers, deserve to have an informed discussion where "the big picture" is taken into account.

What you are doing is not a good practice, nor is it as effective as others.  That is beyond argument.

You can, and will, always do as you see fit.  There's nothing wrong with that.  But there's nothing wrong with me calling out the issues with what you choose to do.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


K0LNY
 

Extended support release I believe that stands for.
It does not break accessibility with browser updates.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


ESR?

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 1:40 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I use the ESR version, and sometimes FF crashes.
Amazon.com is the worse pages for FF, I sometimes clear the history in FF,
and that helps speed it up, but not for long.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


Be careful, I have been using firefox for a while, and at least on my
system, Jaws tends to freeze up quite a lot and there are other
accessibility problems. Its a very nice browser, but Jaws does not
always get along.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:15:38 -0400,
JM Casey wrote:

Oh, I'm sure that is google's motivation. But I’m not on the internet to
please google -- only for my own benefit. And many people are very
displeased about this new Google plan.
What's that approach you mean?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from
working
since advertising is where they get most of their income.

I guess I'm patient because even if Firefox is slower than Chromium based
browsers, I'm not worried or concerned about it.

And for blocking ads, I use an approach to blocking ads that doesn't
depend on an add on and works for any browser I choose to use without
needing me to do anything with the browser.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
I haven't really been inconvenienced by the problems you mentioned using
Chrome. However, I would like to ween myself away from it, given the
thing I mentioned earlier -- I don't know what I'd do without my
ad-blocker and the fact that google is trying to break them is really
irksome. Also, all other Chromium-based browsers will eventually
probably have to switch to manifest 3 for extensions too, and then, you
can say goodbye to the proper functionality of your ad-blocker. Brave
might be an exception, but I have some misgivings about that one, too --
might consider using it a little more in the coming year though.
I still find Firefox to be a bit slow, and this is unfortunate. It just
doesn't seem as responsive on my system as chrome does.
I also have Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based, and which I'd really love
to use more, but it has some quirks which mean I haven't figured out how
to best make use of it with a screen-reader. Its days of full
add-blocker functionality are, of course, also numbered.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

You could be right there, the Chromium engine seems to be gathering a
number of problems with screen readers that don't seem to be getting any
attention. Problems like the screen reader suddenly losing its focus on
the browser, or the cursor suddenly jumping to the beginning or the end
of the page just to name two of them.

I have the documentation files already, maybe I'll just decide to start
a list for visually impaired Firefox users myself.

I'm already on the Tech Talk list so I'll try there for now, but a list
for visually impaired Firefox users seems like a very appealing idea.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:18 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
I don't know of such a list, nor, indeed, many mailing lists of this
specific nature. You could always post to BlindTech, or even this list,
probably, as subjects that are not altogether directly related to
screen-readers seem more OK here than on the nVDA main list, for
instance. I think Mozilla also has a forum of some kind on their
website. Not sure how many visually impaired users there would be
there, but you could still consider it a helpful resource.

I think we will see a massive influx of Firefox users starting next
year, as Chrome is moving to manifest 3 and will be preventing things
like ad-blockers from properly doing their jobs. So maybe the creation
of such a list as you are asking for is not far off on the horizon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 09:46 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: From Edge to Firefox

Because of all the strange behaviors that Chromium based browsers are
showing with JAWS I have decided to switch to Firefox. There is a
support list for visually impaired users of Thunderbird, but there
doesn't appear to be a similar list for Firefox. So can anyone suggest
an appropriate list where I can get any help I might need while making
the transition?

Thanks!
Gene...



























K0LNY
 

Yes, F9 helps, it also stops the ad refreshing the page causing me to find
my spot again.

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


I use reader mode in Chrome and in firefox and that gets rid of most
adds, without even using an add blocker. Sometimes, some things get
through, but its much better.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 14:05:54 -0400,
Gene Warner wrote:

ESR?

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 1:40 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I use the ESR version, and sometimes FF crashes.
Amazon.com is the worse pages for FF, I sometimes clear the history in
FF,
and that helps speed it up, but not for long.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


Be careful, I have been using firefox for a while, and at least on my
system, Jaws tends to freeze up quite a lot and there are other
accessibility problems. Its a very nice browser, but Jaws does not
always get along.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:15:38 -0400,
JM Casey wrote:

Oh, I'm sure that is google's motivation. But I’m not on the internet
to
please google -- only for my own benefit. And many people are very
displeased about this new Google plan.
What's that approach you mean?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from
working
since advertising is where they get most of their income.

I guess I'm patient because even if Firefox is slower than Chromium
based
browsers, I'm not worried or concerned about it.

And for blocking ads, I use an approach to blocking ads that doesn't
depend on an add on and works for any browser I choose to use without
needing me to do anything with the browser.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
I haven't really been inconvenienced by the problems you mentioned
using
Chrome. However, I would like to ween myself away from it, given the
thing I mentioned earlier -- I don't know what I'd do without my
ad-blocker and the fact that google is trying to break them is really
irksome. Also, all other Chromium-based browsers will eventually
probably have to switch to manifest 3 for extensions too, and then,
you
can say goodbye to the proper functionality of your ad-blocker. Brave
might be an exception, but I have some misgivings about that one,
too --
might consider using it a little more in the coming year though.
I still find Firefox to be a bit slow, and this is unfortunate. It
just
doesn't seem as responsive on my system as chrome does.
I also have Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based, and which I'd really
love
to use more, but it has some quirks which mean I haven't figured out
how
to best make use of it with a screen-reader. Its days of full
add-blocker functionality are, of course, also numbered.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

You could be right there, the Chromium engine seems to be gathering a
number of problems with screen readers that don't seem to be getting
any
attention. Problems like the screen reader suddenly losing its focus
on
the browser, or the cursor suddenly jumping to the beginning or the
end
of the page just to name two of them.

I have the documentation files already, maybe I'll just decide to
start
a list for visually impaired Firefox users myself.

I'm already on the Tech Talk list so I'll try there for now, but a
list
for visually impaired Firefox users seems like a very appealing idea.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:18 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
I don't know of such a list, nor, indeed, many mailing lists of this
specific nature. You could always post to BlindTech, or even this
list,
probably, as subjects that are not altogether directly related to
screen-readers seem more OK here than on the nVDA main list, for
instance. I think Mozilla also has a forum of some kind on their
website. Not sure how many visually impaired users there would be
there, but you could still consider it a helpful resource.

I think we will see a massive influx of Firefox users starting next
year, as Chrome is moving to manifest 3 and will be preventing things
like ad-blockers from properly doing their jobs. So maybe the
creation
of such a list as you are asking for is not far off on the horizon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 09:46 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: From Edge to Firefox

Because of all the strange behaviors that Chromium based browsers are
showing with JAWS I have decided to switch to Firefox. There is a
support list for visually impaired users of Thunderbird, but there
doesn't appear to be a similar list for Firefox. So can anyone
suggest
an appropriate list where I can get any help I might need while
making
the transition?

Thanks!
Gene...





























--
Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is:
How do
you spend it?

John Covici wb2una
covici@...


Gene Warner
 

This page has what you are looking for.

https://blogs.msmvps.com/hostsnews/

I am now using the hosts file available from:

https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/

Because the author of the MVPS hosts file apparently had some medical issues and stopped updating the file about 18 months ago.

Gene...


Gene...

On 10/2/2022 1:52 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Well Gene. You have mentioned several times how much you like the Host File Approach. Any chance that you will tell the list how to accomplish this? Or, at least direct us to a web site that has an explanation and directions?
Regards,
James B
-----Original Message From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox
Just as everybody else who uses Chromium to build their browser adds
functionality to their browser that benefits them. I have no doubt that
Brave and Vivaldi are just as guilty of this as Google and Microsoft
are. I also have no doubt that the purveyors of ad blockers are just as
guilty too.
That is why I prefer the host file approach to ad blocking. It is
completely independent of any browser or ad blocker and works with any
browser without needing any ad blocking add ins.
Gene...
On 10/2/2022 12:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from
working since advertising is where they get most of their income.

-
Which is certainly true, but Google does not tightly control Chromium,
per se, just Chrome, which is built on it.

While Chromium originated with Google, and they still are actively
involved in it, it is an open-source project. It would be considered
completely unacceptable by all the other users of the Chromium code base
were Google to try to insert its own advertising "needs" into that code.

I haven't used Chrome, proper, in years, preferring the privacy-focused
browsers that share the Chromium base such as Brave or Vivaldi, and
there are others. And the uBlock Origin adblocker (and it's way more
than just that) works beautifully in Chrome and Firefox both. There is
no way I can keep up with the appropriate things to block like the
developers of these ad blocking and privacy maintaining (to the extent
possible) products do.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:15 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Extended support release I believe that stands for.
It does not break accessibility with browser updates.
-
It does.  But you have to realize that the screen reader makers themselves are not confining themselves to an ESR release, but to the ongoing production releases that go to the public.

You can end up having some weird issues as the production versions advance and things that needed to be done to keep up with them "don't match up" like they used to with an ESR.

These days, both JAWS and NVDA (and from what I have heard, Narrator) keep up with the latest releases of Edge, Firefox, and Chrome.  There are always short windows where any one of those browsers may get ahead of what the screen reader developers can keep up with, but they're not frequent.  They also tend to get resolved pretty quickly, as the only thing it makes sense for screen readers to ensure compatiblity with is what's actually the most current on the market.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


Gene Warner
 

You are probably right about that, the hosts file only works when it is your computer that is requesting the ad, if an ad is pushed by the web page itself the hosts file won't block it.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 1:58 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah, I’ve seen some of u-block origin’s list and it is…very extensive to say the least.
And of course a big thing I use an ad-blocker for is youtube. I play youtube videos while I’m doing stuff aroudn the house and not attending to the computer. If I didn’t have a blocker I’d be having ads thrown at me every five minutes, which is how it works on the youtube app on my phone.
I doubt the hostfile approach works for this.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* October 2, 2022 01:49 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: From Edge to Firefox
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 01:04 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I'm a little skeptical whether it's as effective as an ad-blocker,
or else they woudlnt' be used by some of the very tech-savvy people
I know who do use them.
-
Your skepticism is warranted.  These purpose-dedicated tools did not come into existence because the hosts file "can do it all."  Not to mention no end user is as likely to be able to keep up on all the hosts that need to be blocked as organizations dedicated to security and ad-blocking do.
There's more, a lot more, to ad blocking than the hosts file, and all you need to do is look at any one of the common subscription lists used by multiple ad-blockers to see just how much more.
--
Brian *- *Virginia, USA*- *Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
/*Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.*/
    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/


Gene Warner
 

I guess they don't list those in the releases list which is where I get my copies.

That is one thing I wish all these purveyors of Chromium based browsers would do is offer these extended support versions, they are always breaking something with their frequent updates.

Gene...

On 10/2/2022 2:15 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Extended support release I believe that stands for.
It does not break accessibility with browser updates.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Warner" <genewarner3@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox
ESR?
Gene...
On 10/2/2022 1:40 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I use the ESR version, and sometimes FF crashes.
Amazon.com is the worse pages for FF, I sometimes clear the history in FF,
and that helps speed it up, but not for long.
Glenn
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Covici" <covici@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox


Be careful, I have been using firefox for a while, and at least on my
system, Jaws tends to freeze up quite a lot and there are other
accessibility problems. Its a very nice browser, but Jaws does not
always get along.

On Sun, 02 Oct 2022 12:15:38 -0400,
JM Casey wrote:

Oh, I'm sure that is google's motivation. But I’m not on the internet to
please google -- only for my own benefit. And many people are very
displeased about this new Google plan.
What's that approach you mean?


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 12:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from
working
since advertising is where they get most of their income.

I guess I'm patient because even if Firefox is slower than Chromium based
browsers, I'm not worried or concerned about it.

And for blocking ads, I use an approach to blocking ads that doesn't
depend on an add on and works for any browser I choose to use without
needing me to do anything with the browser.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:48 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey.
I haven't really been inconvenienced by the problems you mentioned using
Chrome. However, I would like to ween myself away from it, given the
thing I mentioned earlier -- I don't know what I'd do without my
ad-blocker and the fact that google is trying to break them is really
irksome. Also, all other Chromium-based browsers will eventually
probably have to switch to manifest 3 for extensions too, and then, you
can say goodbye to the proper functionality of your ad-blocker. Brave
might be an exception, but I have some misgivings about that one, too --
might consider using it a little more in the coming year though.
I still find Firefox to be a bit slow, and this is unfortunate. It just
doesn't seem as responsive on my system as chrome does.
I also have Vivaldi, which is Chromium-based, and which I'd really love
to use more, but it has some quirks which mean I haven't figured out how
to best make use of it with a screen-reader. Its days of full
add-blocker functionality are, of course, also numbered.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 11:32 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

You could be right there, the Chromium engine seems to be gathering a
number of problems with screen readers that don't seem to be getting any
attention. Problems like the screen reader suddenly losing its focus on
the browser, or the cursor suddenly jumping to the beginning or the end
of the page just to name two of them.

I have the documentation files already, maybe I'll just decide to start
a list for visually impaired Firefox users myself.

I'm already on the Tech Talk list so I'll try there for now, but a list
for visually impaired Firefox users seems like a very appealing idea.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 11:18 AM, JM Casey wrote:
Hey Gene.
I don't know of such a list, nor, indeed, many mailing lists of this
specific nature. You could always post to BlindTech, or even this list,
probably, as subjects that are not altogether directly related to
screen-readers seem more OK here than on the nVDA main list, for
instance. I think Mozilla also has a forum of some kind on their
website. Not sure how many visually impaired users there would be
there, but you could still consider it a helpful resource.

I think we will see a massive influx of Firefox users starting next
year, as Chrome is moving to manifest 3 and will be preventing things
like ad-blockers from properly doing their jobs. So maybe the creation
of such a list as you are asking for is not far off on the horizon.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: October 2, 2022 09:46 AM
To: JAWS support list <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: From Edge to Firefox

Because of all the strange behaviors that Chromium based browsers are
showing with JAWS I have decided to switch to Firefox. There is a
support list for visually impaired users of Thunderbird, but there
doesn't appear to be a similar list for Firefox. So can anyone suggest
an appropriate list where I can get any help I might need while making
the transition?

Thanks!
Gene...



























 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 01:58 PM, JM Casey wrote:
I play youtube videos while I’m doing stuff aroudn the house and not attending to the computer.
-
As an aside, you may want to consider the Stop AutoPlay Next for YouTube add-on/extension.  It does exactly what it says.

I never want YouTube to keep advancing from the video I'm actually interested in, and am playing, to the next and next and next random one it chooses for me after the one that interested me is done.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


JM Casey
 

Hey Brian.

I agree with your second paragraph;’ that would be really annoying. But perhaps I’m missing something; youtube has an autoplay toggle button which I just turn off, so nothing happens after my videos finish.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 2, 2022 02:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 01:58 PM, JM Casey wrote:

I play youtube videos while I’m doing stuff aroudn the house and not attending to the computer.

-
As an aside, you may want to consider the Stop AutoPlay Next for YouTube add-on/extension.  It does exactly what it says.

I never want YouTube to keep advancing from the video I'm actually interested in, and am playing, to the next and next and next random one it chooses for me after the one that interested me is done.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
youtube has an autoplay toggle button which I just turn off, so nothing happens after my videos finish.
-
But you have to do that each and every time.  At one time, this could be thrown and it would be a permanent choice, but no more.

All that the add-on does is restore that permanence behind the scenes so you don't need to constantly be toggling that toggle.  And it is universally applicable to every YouTube video you play over time.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


K0LNY
 


I wondered how that got turned on the other day.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:
youtube has an autoplay toggle button which I just turn off, so nothing happens after my videos finish.
-
But you have to do that each and every time.  At one time, this could be thrown and it would be a permanent choice, but no more.

All that the add-on does is restore that permanence behind the scenes so you don't need to constantly be toggling that toggle.  And it is universally applicable to every YouTube video you play over time.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


JM Casey
 

Yeah, mine periodically gets turned on, too. It’s pretty easy to accidentally press a button either on the phone app or even in the web browser.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 2, 2022 02:52 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

I wondered how that got turned on the other day.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2022 1:49 PM

Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:

youtube has an autoplay toggle button which I just turn off, so nothing happens after my videos finish.

-
But you have to do that each and every time.  At one time, this could be thrown and it would be a permanent choice, but no more.

All that the add-on does is restore that permanence behind the scenes so you don't need to constantly be toggling that toggle.  And it is universally applicable to every YouTube video you play over time.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


JM Casey
 

Hey brian.

Mine seems permanent, although ti’s gotten switched back on accidentally a couple of times. I’m pretty certain I did that thougha nd it wasn’t some sneaky move by google.

I am mostly using youtube through chrome at this time. It seems to retain my preference across multiple sessions.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 2, 2022 02:49 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:

youtube has an autoplay toggle button which I just turn off, so nothing happens after my videos finish.

-
But you have to do that each and every time.  At one time, this could be thrown and it would be a permanent choice, but no more.

All that the add-on does is restore that permanence behind the scenes so you don't need to constantly be toggling that toggle.  And it is universally applicable to every YouTube video you play over time.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


James Bentley
 

Thank you Gene.

James B

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 1:20 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

This page has what you are looking for.

https://blogs.msmvps.com/hostsnews/

I am now using the hosts file available from:

https://someonewhocares.org/hosts/

Because the author of the MVPS hosts file apparently had some medical
issues and stopped updating the file about 18 months ago.

Gene...


Gene...


On 10/2/2022 1:52 PM, James Bentley wrote:
Well Gene. You have mentioned several times how much you like the Host File Approach. Any chance that you will tell the list how to accomplish this? Or, at least direct us to a web site that has an explanation and directions?

Regards,

James B

-----Original Message From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 11:51 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

Just as everybody else who uses Chromium to build their browser adds
functionality to their browser that benefits them. I have no doubt that
Brave and Vivaldi are just as guilty of this as Google and Microsoft
are. I also have no doubt that the purveyors of ad blockers are just as
guilty too.

That is why I prefer the host file approach to ad blocking. It is
completely independent of any browser or ad blocker and works with any
browser without needing any ad blocking add ins.

Gene...


On 10/2/2022 12:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 12:04 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

I can understand why Google would want to prevent ad blockers from
working since advertising is where they get most of their income.

-
Which is certainly true, but Google does not tightly control Chromium,
per se, just Chrome, which is built on it.

While Chromium originated with Google, and they still are actively
involved in it, it is an open-source project. It would be considered
completely unacceptable by all the other users of the Chromium code base
were Google to try to insert its own advertising "needs" into that code.

I haven't used Chrome, proper, in years, preferring the privacy-focused
browsers that share the Chromium base such as Brave or Vivaldi, and
there are others. And the uBlock Origin adblocker (and it's way more
than just that) works beautifully in Chrome and Firefox both. There is
no way I can keep up with the appropriate things to block like the
developers of these ad blocking and privacy maintaining (to the extent
possible) products do.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA- Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*/Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy./*

~ H.L. Mencken, AKA /The Sage of Baltimore/











Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. I think this autoplay setting is a temporary setting if one is not signed into Gmail or Google with the browser in question, and becomes a permanent setting if one remains signed into Gmail or Google.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 2, 2022 11:49 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: From Edge to Firefox

 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2022 at 02:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:

youtube has an autoplay toggle button which I just turn off, so nothing happens after my videos finish.

-
But you have to do that each and every time.  At one time, this could be thrown and it would be a permanent choice, but no more.

All that the add-on does is restore that permanence behind the scenes so you don't need to constantly be toggling that toggle.  And it is universally applicable to every YouTube video you play over time.
--

Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore