moderated Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu


JM Casey
 

Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

 

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

 

 


Curtis Chong
 

JM:

 

Thank you. This is very well written.

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu

 

Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

 

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

 

 


JM Casey
 

Cheers. Hopefully this will help others who want to keep using Firefox without difficulties.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: July 2, 2022 12:57 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu

 

JM:

 

Thank you. This is very well written.

 

Cordially,

 

Curtis Chong

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2022 10:55 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu

 

Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

 

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.

 

 


Gene Warner
 

Thanks for that explanation! I'm going to try this with Edge. Whenever possible I prefer to right click on a download link to download a file and sometimes JAWS announces that it's leaving the menu and there is no context menu, other time it doesn't say it's leaving the menu and the context menu is there, maybe JAWS is just not switching cursors when it should.

Gene...

On 7/2/2022 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hello everyone.
As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message, as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.
First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is “clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a keystroke that activates your  menu option of choice. Now, for whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and letter keys  won’t interact   with the menu at all, but instead will do what you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.
To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu” but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.
For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.


JM Casey
 

Ah, tha'ts interesting. Didn't realise this was happenign with Edge.
I suspect this could actually improve things, yeah.
Then again, currently in firefox, if you are in virtual mode and want to activate the menu, JAWS consistently says nothing at all.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 2, 2022 01:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu

Thanks for that explanation! I'm going to try this with Edge. Whenever possible I prefer to right click on a download link to download a file and sometimes JAWS announces that it's leaving the menu and there is no context menu, other time it doesn't say it's leaving the menu and the context menu is there, maybe JAWS is just not switching cursors when it should.

Gene...



On 7/2/2022 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the
important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry
if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround
for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu
through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message,
as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS
cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or
old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is
“clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is
automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a
menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a
keystroke that activates your menu option of choice. Now, for
whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the
menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and
letter keys
won’t interact with the menu at all, but instead will do what
you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit
the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu”
but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that
this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of
course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite
podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the
download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then
the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.


Gene Warner
 

I'm only guessing that it's the same thing, but it does sound like it. Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled program...

Gene...

On 7/2/2022 1:22 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Ah, tha'ts interesting. Didn't realise this was happenign with Edge.
I suspect this could actually improve things, yeah.
Then again, currently in firefox, if you are in virtual mode and want to activate the menu, JAWS consistently says nothing at all.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: July 2, 2022 01:15 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox version 102, JAWS, and the context menu
Thanks for that explanation! I'm going to try this with Edge. Whenever possible I prefer to right click on a download link to download a file and sometimes JAWS announces that it's leaving the menu and there is no context menu, other time it doesn't say it's leaving the menu and the context menu is there, maybe JAWS is just not switching cursors when it should.
Gene...
On 7/2/2022 12:55 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Hello everyone.

As the other thread has gone on for a while and people may miss the
important message sent by Curtis (At least, I think it was him; sorry
if it’s not, I deleted the message already) describing a workaround
for the problem of JAWS not being able to engage with the context menu
through standard means, I thought I would explain in another message,
as well as outlining my own ideas about this problem and what is actually happening.

First, while NVDA can interact as normal with the context menu, JAWS
cannot, and it doesn’t matter what JAWS version you are using, new or
old. The problem as I see it is that, normally, when an item is
“clicked” to activate the right-click or context menu, the user is
automatically taken outside the virtual buffer in order to activate a
menu choice. This could be with the arrow keys, or it could be with a
keystroke that activates your menu option of choice. Now, for
whatever reason, while pressing the context menu key does activate the
menu, JAWS stays in virtual mode, and therefore, your arrow keys and
letter keys
won’t interact with the menu at all, but instead will do what
you’d normally xpect in reading mode as if you hadn’t activated the menu at all.

To solve this, turn the virtaul cursor off with insert-z after you hit
the context menu key. Jaws will not immediately announce “context menu”
but you will be in it, and hitting down arrow will alert JAWS that
this is, in fact, what you want to interact with. You can also, of
course, press a letter to activate the menu option instead of the arrows.

For example, I’ve just gone to the webpage of one of my favourite
podcasts on podbay.fm. I find the episode I want, and go to the
download link. I press the context menu key, then insert-z, and then
the letter k to activate the save file dialogue box.