moderated Firefox not working


Soronel Haetir
 

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no
accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the
UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws
simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really
don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


JM Casey
 

Hello.
There are a loto f commentaries about this on other lists.
I cancelled the update for now and am still running v88.0.1.
Just curious -- do you have a firefox profile?
It seems that if you disable automatic loading of profiles, things work ok, or at least I read that from someone. But most people who have experienced this do not mention a profile, so I'm not sure of this, really.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Soronel Haetir
 

Okay, I should say I just tried restarting FF with extensions disabled
and it now works. Guess I need to go through my extensions and try
disabling them one at a time.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining
to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I
primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it
works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility,
even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an
accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present.
I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer
FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com










--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Jim Pursley
 

I'm able to use FF but when I load it I need to back out and reenter, then sometimes hit F6 and the tab.

I can always get it working after the initial inconvenience. I like to have a non-Chrome browser handy so have stuck with FF.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox not working

Hello.
There are a loto f commentaries about this on other lists.
I cancelled the update for now and am still running v88.0.1.
Just curious -- do you have a firefox profile?
It seems that if you disable automatic loading of profiles, things work ok, or at least I read that from someone. But most people who have experienced this do not mention a profile, so I'm not sure of this, really.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Using Jaws 2021, I have no issues with Firefox at all.
Pages load fine, and I can navigate as always.

I do not have many, if any, extensions running; so maybe that could be an issue for some?

It does run much better with Jaws 2021, then 2020.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jim Pursley
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:24 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox not working

I'm able to use FF but when I load it I need to back out and reenter, then sometimes hit F6 and the tab.

I can always get it working after the initial inconvenience. I like to have a non-Chrome browser handy so have stuck with FF.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 1:35 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox not working

Hello.
There are a loto f commentaries about this on other lists.
I cancelled the update for now and am still running v88.0.1.
Just curious -- do you have a firefox profile?
It seems that if you disable automatic loading of profiles, things work ok, or at least I read that from someone. But most people who have experienced this do not mention a profile, so I'm not sure of this, really.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: June 4, 2021 12:30 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present. I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Mario
 

Soronel, pleas do follow up on which extension/plugin might be the culprit. I'd be interested as I rather stick with Firefox and am in the same situation as you are with using Firefox 89.0 with JAWS.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: Firefox not working
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Okay, I should say I just tried restarting FF with extensions disabled
and it now works. Guess I need to go through my extensions and try
disabling them one at a time.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining
to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I
primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it
works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility,
even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an
accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present.
I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer
FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Richard Turner <richardturner42@...>
 

Do you have Jaws 2021 to try it with?



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox not working

Soronel, pleas do follow up on which extension/plugin might be the culprit. I'd be interested as I rather stick with Firefox and am in the same situation as you are with using Firefox 89.0 with JAWS.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: Firefox not working
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Okay, I should say I just tried restarting FF with extensions disabled and it now works. Guess I need to go through my extensions and try disabling them one at a time.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

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-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present.
I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com


Mario
 

Richard and all, I am using the latest version of JAWS 2020, and cannot upgrade to 2021 yet. I've also tried NVDA and Narrator and still have no access. however, I red the discussion and possible fix/work around at the following thread:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1714212

1. Start Firefox.
2. Enter the address about:config in the address bar.
3. Accept the warning.
4. In the search box, enter the word skeleton
5. In the table below, browser.startup.preXulSkeletonUI should appear and it will have a value of true. Press the Toggle button to set it to false.
6. Restart Firefox.

this works, as I now can use JAWS, NVDA or Narrator with Firefox as if there wasn't any problem.

I don't know exactly what the feature does, but it was mentioned that it might have been left on true unintentionally before releasing FF 89.0.

-------- Original Message --------
From: Richard Turner [mailto:richardturner42@outlook.com]
Subject: Firefox not working
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 3:58 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Do you have Jaws 2021 to try it with?



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mario
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:50 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox not working

Soronel, pleas do follow up on which extension/plugin might be the culprit. I'd be interested as I rather stick with Firefox and am in the same situation as you are with using Firefox 89.0 with JAWS.


-------- Original Message --------
From: Soronel Haetir [mailto:soronel.haetir@gmail.com]
Subject: Firefox not working
Date: Friday, June 4, 2021, 12:36 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Okay, I should say I just tried restarting FF with extensions disabled and it now works. Guess I need to go through my extensions and try disabling them one at a time.

On 6/4/21, Richard Turner <richardturner42@outlook.com> wrote:
I just tried Firefox 89.0 with Jaws 2021 and had no problems after declining to make it my default and to save a theme or some such thing.
Try rebooting.
Jaws 2020 seems to be a bit sluggish when I tested with it, but since I primarily use Jaws 2021, I did not go much beyond just confirming that it works but just takes longer to load.



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4dd41d19116c4ff945be08d92791f17f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637584330038396314%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=AZ2g3GPQllx1CDkwkQF%2BZ7t7H%2BPVLLdcDJDeFcBytjk%3D&amp;reserved=0



-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 9:30 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Firefox not working

List members,

I got a Firefox update yesterday and now there is simply no accessibility, even the menus can not be read reliably. I examined the UIA tree with an accessibility test tool and the nodes needed by jaws simply are not present.
I'm using chrome to submit this but I really don't care for it, much prefer FF.

Has anyone else experienced this?


--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@gmail.com
























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