moderated Firefox 102 workaround, almost.


Chris Hill
 

I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow keys don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to a hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH


Soronel Haetir
 

This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make
sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow keys
don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to a
hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH






--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


Gene Warner
 

This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what was their response?

Gene...

On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make
sure that wasn't somehow necessary.
On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow keys
don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to a
hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH







Chris Hill
 

I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox, and I figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early next week before contacting FS.  I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make
sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow keys
don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to a
hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH









Soronel Haetir
 

Given that Firefox has changed and jaws has not (I'm still using
2021), I suspect they would say "take it up with the Firefox devs".

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox, and I
figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early next week
before contacting FS.  I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what
was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make
sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow
keys
don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to a
hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH














--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


Gene Warner
 

LOL! Me too! Freedom Scientific's tech support is always too ready to blame problems on somebody else.

Gene...

On 7/1/2022 1:54 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
Given that Firefox has changed and jaws has not (I'm still using
2021), I suspect they would say "take it up with the Firefox devs".
On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox, and I
figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early next week
before contacting FS.  I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what
was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make
sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow
keys
don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to a
hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH















Bill White
 

Not only that, when a problem arises, FS says that their agents can't help with programs we may use with JAWS. They can only help with JAWS. This defeats the purpose of calling FS when there is an interaction problem between JAWS and programs that run on top of JAWS.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

LOL! Me too! Freedom Scientific's tech support is always too ready to
blame problems on somebody else.

Gene...



On 7/1/2022 1:54 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
Given that Firefox has changed and jaws has not (I'm still using
2021), I suspect they would say "take it up with the Firefox devs".

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox, and I
figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early next week
before contacting FS. I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what
was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make
sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow
keys
don't work. I could live with it if I could set this function to a
hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH















JM Casey
 

Man..I've never called JAWS tech support, but from posts here and things I've heard from elsewhere, they do sound a little bit unhelpful and kind of counter-productive, parroting out the same routine lines instead of getting down to tryign to solve someone's problem, which for sure is going to be linked with some kind of application th ey are trying to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 1, 2022 02:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

Not only that, when a problem arises, FS says that their agents can't help with programs we may use with JAWS. They can only help with JAWS. This defeats the purpose of calling FS when there is an interaction problem between JAWS and programs that run on top of JAWS.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

LOL! Me too! Freedom Scientific's tech support is always too ready to blame problems on somebody else.

Gene...



On 7/1/2022 1:54 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
Given that Firefox has changed and jaws has not (I'm still using
2021), I suspect they would say "take it up with the Firefox devs".

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox,
and I figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early
next week before contacting FS. I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what
was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to
make sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key
not working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general
in settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately
arrow keys don't work. I could live with it if I could set this
function to a hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the
keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH















JM Casey
 

Well, I'm not using the latest NVDA, and can access the context menu with taht screen-reader. So perhaps FS could change the implementation of something or other. What I'm saying is that yes, Firefox changed, but it can't all be in their camp/their responsibility.
Whatever though. I'm still using an old version of jFW myself so I'd be happy if Mozilla fixed whatever it is, too.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: July 1, 2022 01:54 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

Given that Firefox has changed and jaws has not (I'm still using 2021), I suspect they would say "take it up with the Firefox devs".

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox, and
I figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early next
week before contacting FS. I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what
was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to
make sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general
in settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately
arrow keys don't work. I could live with it if I could set this
function to a hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard
manager.


Stumped still.

CH















--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


Gene Warner
 

I know I started it, but I wasn't expecting any responses. Either way, if we want to discuss Freedom Scientific's tech support, we should start another thread rather than continue to derail this thread. It's even possible that this isn't appropriate for this discussion to be on this list, and for that I apologize to the list for my mistake.

Gene...

On 7/1/2022 3:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Man..I've never called JAWS tech support, but from posts here and things I've heard from elsewhere, they do sound a little bit unhelpful and kind of counter-productive, parroting out the same routine lines instead of getting down to tryign to solve someone's problem, which for sure is going to be linked with some kind of application th ey are trying to use.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: July 1, 2022 02:45 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.
Not only that, when a problem arises, FS says that their agents can't help with programs we may use with JAWS. They can only help with JAWS. This defeats the purpose of calling FS when there is an interaction problem between JAWS and programs that run on top of JAWS.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 11:20 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.
LOL! Me too! Freedom Scientific's tech support is always too ready to blame problems on somebody else.
Gene...
On 7/1/2022 1:54 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
Given that Firefox has changed and jaws has not (I'm still using
2021), I suspect they would say "take it up with the Firefox devs".

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I'm aware of something new going on with accessibility in Firefox,
and I figured with the holiday I might as well give it until early
next week before contacting FS. I'm tempted to go firefox beta hunting, though.


CH

On 7/1/2022 12:18, Gene Warner wrote:
This may seem obvious but...

Has anyone contacted Freedom Scientific about this, and if so, what
was their response?

Gene...


On 7/1/2022 1:00 PM, Soronel Haetir wrote:
This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to
make sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key
not working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general
in settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately
arrow keys don't work. I could live with it if I could set this
function to a hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the
keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH















Artur Räpp
 

Hi,

There is a workaround, not the best, but works.
Press application key
Give pass key through command (JAWS key+ num row 3)
Press down arrow

Artur

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make sure that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow
keys don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to
a hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH







--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...


JM Casey
 

Hadn't thought of that. My previous message describes turning off the
virtual cursor after you hit the context menu key; so far that has worked
flawlessly and I consider it a very minor issue to simply hit one extra
keystroke.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Artur Räpp
Sent: July 2, 2022 06:14 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

Hi,

There is a workaround, not the best, but works.
Press application key
Give pass key through command (JAWS key+ num row 3) Press down arrow

Artur
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Soronel Haetir
Sent: Friday, July 1, 2022 8:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Firefox 102 workaround, almost.

This made no difference for me, even tried rebooting jaws just to make sure
that wasn't somehow necessary.

On 7/1/22, Chris Hill <hillco@...> wrote:
I was having a problem with Firefox 102 and the application key not
working, and I found one possible way around it.
If you turn on the use unified keyboard method in keyboard/general in
settings center, the application key will work, unfortunately arrow
keys don't work.  I could live with it if I could set this function to
a hotkey, but I don't find it mentioned in the keyboard manager.


Stumped still.

CH







--
Soronel Haetir
soronel.haetir@...