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Cook, Steve
 

You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

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Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

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Richard Turner
 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.
Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?


Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


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On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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Cook, Steve
 

I have 3 signatures et up on my laptop in Outlook.  Just wondering, what issues are you having in setting up your signature? 

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com

 



On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Van Lant, Robin
 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 



On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Van Lant, Robin
 

Steve,

When I hit Alt M in a message, it takes me to the list of possible “From” addresses I have.  In my office context, I can send email as myself or from one of several shared email account.  I suppose that this will change your signature if you have signatures tied to specific email accounts you may send from, but I don’t.  I haver three or four signatures that I use within my primary email account.   

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cook, Steve
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:19 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Richard Turner
 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Bill White
 

That's what everyone is saying, Robin. You should be able to edit the signature field while you are in it. You shouldn't need to format the signature in Word, the email body, or somewhere else. The fact that you need to format the signature somewhere else says explicitly that the edit box is inaccessible.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Bill White
 

Hi, Richard. I have been able to use CONTROL plus A to select all text within the signature box, and then put in any new information. Even though the signature box does not read the content, CONTROL plus A should allow selection of the entire content of the dialog box, thus making it easily deletable by using the delete key one time, after the entire content of the signature box has been selected.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Richard Turner
 

Bill, you are far more trusting of that process than I am.
It is just such a pain to not be able to confirm independently that everything is deleted and then that the new stuff pasted in correctly without then going and starting a new message to then proof the signature.
But, sighted folks are in the same boat if they want to use a graphic in their signature. They cannot see it until they write a new message; it does not show the graphic in that edit box.
We just changed up the logo used at work for everyone's signature and imagine the surprise by the sighted staff when they discovered that.
O well.



Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


Sent with the iPhone SE 2020
www.turner42.com


On Jun 3, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Bill White <billwhite92701@...> wrote:



Hi, Richard. I have been able to use CONTROL plus A to select all text within the signature box, and then put in any new information. Even though the signature box does not read the content, CONTROL plus A should allow selection of the entire content of the dialog box, thus making it easily deletable by using the delete key one time, after the entire content of the signature box has been selected.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

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Bill,

I can, in fact, edit in the box.  For example, I needed to update a small item in the signature I use for this list.  I navigated to the box and made the tweak right there. JAWS read everything in that box. To prove my point to myself, I just went there now and created a brand new signature from scratch within the box and it worked just fine.  My point was that, because I am often including hyperlinks in my signatures, I  prefer to build the original layout in the email, then copy and paste it into the edit box. I can then edit from there.

 

I am using the February  release of JAWS 2020 and Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776 on my company laptop.  I know I have seen this issue several of you are referencing, it’s just not currently an issue for me. I’ll have  to go see how this works on my personal laptop running a similar setup.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

That's what everyone is saying, Robin. You should be able to edit the signature field while you are in it. You shouldn't need to format the signature in Word, the email body, or somewhere else. The fact that you need to format the signature somewhere else says explicitly that the edit box is inaccessible.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

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Van Lant, Robin
 

Richard,

Yes.  No problem.  But I know I’ve had your frustration, I just don’t know what changed for me.  I was just pushed an office update here at work last week to Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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Richard Turner
 

I just discovered here on my home laptop, I can indeed edit signatures just fine.

So, my hat’s off to Microsoft and you for pointing this out.

Now to try it on my work laptop.

I was tired of my old signature anyway.

 

 

Richard

Chickens: the pet that poops breakfast!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

Yes.  No problem.  But I know I’ve had your frustration, I just don’t know what changed for me.  I was just pushed an office update here at work last week to Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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David Goldfield
 


I might be able to shed some light on this issue. Outlook 2016's edit field for signatures was completely inaccessible with screen readers. However, this
problem was addressed in the 365 version of Outlook and, presumably, in Outlook 2019.

When I was using Outlook 2016 I worked around this by composing my signature in Microsoft Word. Once I was certain that the signature contained the text
that I wanted I would press ctrl-A to select the entire text of the signature and then press ctrl-C to copy the signature to the clipboard. Next, I would
open Outlook 2016, go into the signature edit field, press control-A to select all of the text and then press ctrl-V to paste my newly written signature
into the edit field.

To verify that the signature was what I really wanted I would begin composing a message and then arrow down through the message body to examine the signature.

Hope that helps.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/3/2020 5:12 PM, Richard Turner wrote:
block quote cited from mid:MWHPR17MB1981411D9C17AC519521808CB7880@...
I just discovered here on my home laptop, I can indeed edit signatures just fine.

So, my hat’s off to Microsoft and you for pointing this out.

Now to try it on my work laptop.

I was tired of my old signature anyway.

Richard

Chickens: the pet that poops breakfast!

From:
main@jfw.groups.io
<main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:04 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

Richard,

Yes.  No problem.  But I know I’ve had your frustration, I just don’t know what changed for me.  I was just pushed an office update here at work last week
to Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776

From:
main@jfw.groups.io
 <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:41 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the
first line and that is it.

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

Very interesting.

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

From:
main@jfw.groups.io
 <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.
This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as
I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this
list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

From:
main@jfw.groups.io
 <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To:
main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

www.turner42.com

block quote
On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <
Steve.Cook@...>
wrote:
block quote end

block quote


You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

SCCB logo

www.sccb.state.sc.us

From:
main@jfw.groups.io
 <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (
jfw@groups.io)
<
jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought
we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in
any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for
you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended
recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error,
please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic
personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose
such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to
mailto:DNERequests@...
 with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.
block quote end

Steven Hicks
 

Hi,

 

I Found a work around, glad you mentioned this though.

If you type your signature in something like notepad, it may work in Microsoft Word, check it is all o.k.

You can highlight it all with ctrl+a and then paist it in to Microsoft Outlook in the new signature box.  It won’t read it back but you can then send yourself a test message to make sure it is o.k.

Check the options for the signature when it is added e.g. for new messages and replies, I don’t add it on to replys.

 

Hope this helps?

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: 03 June 2020 20:26
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 



On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.

Marty Hutchings
 

Now, that is accessible in Windows Live Mail.
 
Love in Christ
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Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook
 
Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.
Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?


Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."


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On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

SCCB_logoblue

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

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Strange as mine won’t read that box but I am running Microsoft Outlook 2016 retail, that could be the difference.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: 03 June 2020 22:02
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Bill,

I can, in fact, edit in the box.  For example, I needed to update a small item in the signature I use for this list.  I navigated to the box and made the tweak right there. JAWS read everything in that box. To prove my point to myself, I just went there now and created a brand new signature from scratch within the box and it worked just fine.  My point was that, because I am often including hyperlinks in my signatures, I  prefer to build the original layout in the email, then copy and paste it into the edit box. I can then edit from there.

 

I am using the February  release of JAWS 2020 and Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776 on my company laptop.  I know I have seen this issue several of you are referencing, it’s just not currently an issue for me. I’ll have  to go see how this works on my personal laptop running a similar setup.

 

 

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:32 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

That's what everyone is saying, Robin. You should be able to edit the signature field while you are in it. You shouldn't need to format the signature in Word, the email body, or somewhere else. The fact that you need to format the signature somewhere else says explicitly that the edit box is inaccessible.

 

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

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David Goldfield
 

I might be able to shed some light on this issue. Outlook 2016's edit field for signatures was completely inaccessible with screen readers. However, this problem was addressed in the 365 version of Outlook and, presumably, in Outlook 2019.

When I was using Outlook 2016 I worked around this by composing my signature in Microsoft Word. Once I was certain that the signature contained the text that I wanted I would press ctrl-A to select the entire text of the signature and then press ctrl-C to copy the signature to the clipboard. Next, I would open Outlook 2016, go into the signature edit field, press control-A to select all of the text and then press ctrl-V to paste my newly written signature into the edit field.

To verify that the signature was what I really wanted I would begin composing a message and then arrow down through the message body to examine the signature.

Hope that helps.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 6/3/2020 5:12 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I just discovered here on my home laptop, I can indeed edit signatures just fine.

So, my hat’s off to Microsoft and you for pointing this out.

Now to try it on my work laptop.

I was tired of my old signature anyway.

 

 

Richard

Chickens: the pet that poops breakfast!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

Yes.  No problem.  But I know I’ve had your frustration, I just don’t know what changed for me.  I was just pushed an office update here at work last week to Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

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Richard Turner
 

David, thanks for this, but this has already been covered.

I hope those with the retail version of Outlook are communicating with Microsoft Accessibility about how completely unacceptable it is to have the signature field completely useless.

And composing a signature in word, pasting it in and then seeing if it comes out correctly in a new email is not an acceptable workaround.

It is a work around, but no one should settle for that without communicating with Microsoft.

Just my 2 ¢ Worth.

 

 

 

Richard

Chickens: the pet that poops breakfast!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I might be able to shed some light on this issue. Outlook 2016's edit field for signatures was completely inaccessible with screen readers. However, this problem was addressed in the 365 version of Outlook and, presumably, in Outlook 2019.

When I was using Outlook 2016 I worked around this by composing my signature in Microsoft Word. Once I was certain that the signature contained the text that I wanted I would press ctrl-A to select the entire text of the signature and then press ctrl-C to copy the signature to the clipboard. Next, I would open Outlook 2016, go into the signature edit field, press control-A to select all of the text and then press ctrl-V to paste my newly written signature into the edit field.

To verify that the signature was what I really wanted I would begin composing a message and then arrow down through the message body to examine the signature.

Hope that helps.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019
 
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

On 6/3/2020 5:12 PM, Richard Turner wrote:

I just discovered here on my home laptop, I can indeed edit signatures just fine.

So, my hat’s off to Microsoft and you for pointing this out.

Now to try it on my work laptop.

I was tired of my old signature anyway.

 

 

Richard

Chickens: the pet that poops breakfast!

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:04 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

Yes.  No problem.  But I know I’ve had your frustration, I just don’t know what changed for me.  I was just pushed an office update here at work last week to Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.11929.20776

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

OK, so you opened that edit box and edited an existing signature in that edit box without any issues?

 

On my Work machine, running Jaws 2020, Windows 10 Pro, and Outlook 2016, that edit box does not read at all with Jaws or Narrator.  NVDA will read the first line and that is it.

 

With sighted help, I can do what you said and write it in Word, then paste it in, but the sighted person has to delete the text of that one is there.

I could I suppose have created an  entirely new signature, but that was not what I neded for work.

 

Very interesting.

 

Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:21 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Richard,

I just tweaked one of my existing signatures without issue.  I find it most straight forward to shift tab past the Cancel and OK buttons to the edit field.  This is what JAWS tells me when I do that:

 

Cancel
OK Button‑
Edit signature

Alt Tl
Signatures and Stationery

 

So, it’s a bit verbose as it lands in that edit field, which is the first shift tab after the OK button.  I typically type and format the signature as I want it in Word or in the email body, then cut and paste it into the edit box. 

 

The list of signatures you have created seems to be the found as a list with one tab from when the dialog opens.  There is a lot of clutter between this list and the edit box, which is why shift tabbing  works best.  H

HTH,

Robin

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 1:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

Now if the Outlook engineers would only make the edit box for creating your signature accessible ... it isn't as far as I can tell.

Or, do you have a trick for that other than getting someone with eyes that work?

 

Richard

Linus to Charlie Brown: "Worrying won't stop the bad stuff from happening, it just stops you from enjoying the good."

 

Sent with the iPhone SE 2020

 

 

On Jun 3, 2020, at 12:19 PM, Cook, Steve <Steve.Cook@...> wrote:



You can also use Alt M and then choose your signature.

 

Thank You,

Steve Cook, CPM

Assistive Technology Consultant

SC Commission for the Blind

1430 Confederate avenue

Columbia, SC 29201

Office: (803) 898-8788

Cell: (803) 908-3856

1-888-335-5951                        

www.sccb.state.sc.us

 

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2020 3:16 PM
To: JFW List (jfw@groups.io) <jfw@groups.io>
Subject: [External] cool trick with signatures in Outlook

 

I accidentally discovered a cool trick in Outlook.  If you have more than one type of  email signature, based on the audience of your email, I thought we  had to go select the one we wanted each time from the Insert Ribbon under signatures.  Here’s the trick, as long as you have a default signature in any new email you create, you can simply arrow down into that signature text and open the context menu.  The list of your signatures are right there for you to select from and the whole thing will quickly update.   Sometimes the Outlook developers surprise me with the shortcuts they code.

 

Using Windows 10, JAWS 2020, Office 365

Robin Van Lant

 

 

This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication may contain nonpublic personal information about consumers subject to the restrictions of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. You may not directly or indirectly reuse or redisclose such information for any purpose other than to provide the services for which you are receiving the information.

127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114

If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key, send an email to mailto:DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line.