Hi all,

I'm currently running windows 10 on a Lenovo laptop. Every time I have
to restart (like after a jaws upgrade) I get stuck on a screen that
tells me my laptop is ready for windows 11. The trouble is there is no
speech on this screen so I can't even accept the upgrade if I want to,
not without sighted help which isn't always available.

Is there some way to stop windows from prompting me every time I restart?

As a side note, I can't even turn on narrator at this point in the
boot process, so if I don't have sighted help around I am completely
over a barrel.

Any help or suggestions appreciated. Except the suggestion that I just
do that blasted upgrade. <grin>

Thanks in advance,
Kim

--
Kimberly

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 02:30 PM, Kimber Gardner wrote:

Except the suggestion that I just do that blasted upgrade.

-
This is, however, the suggestion you're going to get from me, even if you
don't choose to do it at this very moment. The question keeps coming up on
multiple groups, "Should I upgrade to Windows 11?," and I have to say that
the answer to that question, if you have the hardware that supports it, has
become a definitive, "Yes." I even wrote up a document regarding my
reasoning on this, which is copied below.
Decline it for now, but don't keep declining it "forever." It does make
life harder when the inevitable occurs if you are a very late adopter. I'm
still seeing this for the very, very late adopters of Windows 10,
particularly since what was accurate information about how to fix something
has gone stale, sometimes several times over, during the life of Windows
10.
----

*Reasons you want to be an early, but post "bleeding edge," adopter of any
new Windows version in the age of Windows As A Service*

1. If you are staying in the Windows ecosystem you will eventually have to
be on that new version anyway.

2. Whatever version of Windows you are currently using is going to go out of
support. Going to the latest version when you can ensures that you will
remain in-support for the longest period of time.

3. It is far easier to be part of a large cohort that's experiencing growing
pains, and discussing the solutions for same, at the same time. Many people
do not realize this until they are in the position of asking questions long
after most have forgotten answers that were instantly available when
everyone was trying to solve an issue.

4. Fixes that may work in the earlier days of any Windows version may no
longer work as time goes by. It becomes increasingly difficult to dig
through information that includes stale, and now inaccurate but accurate
when it was written, information. You can easily prove this to yourself if
you search for various fixes under Windows 10 that worked at one point in
time, but stopped doing so later. For an example of this under Windows 11,
see this topic on Technibble, Make Win11 File Explorer use Icons AND Text
for all icons (
https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/make-win11-file-explorer-use-icons-and-text-for-all-icons.89270
) , specifically message #6 (
https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/make-win11-file-explorer-use-icons-and-text-for-all-icons.89270/post-744425
) in that topic. In addition, many fixes, applied early, carry through all
subsequent feature updates, and sometimes those fixes become much harder to
make over time as things change.

--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621;
Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)

*It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the
liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically
and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes
us the libs conservatives so dislike.*

~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times , Letters, Tales of Town and
Gown: Is the Campus Isolated? (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/20/opinion/letters/college-campus-towns.html
) , August 20, 2022

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 02:30 PM, Kimber Gardner wrote:

Except the suggestion that I just do that blasted upgrade.

-
This is, however, the suggestion you're going to get from me, even if
you don't choose to do it at this very moment. The question keeps
coming up on multiple groups, "Should I upgrade to Windows 11?," and I
have to say that the answer to that question, if you have the hardware
that supports it, has become a definitive, "Yes." I even wrote up a
document regarding my reasoning on this, which is copied below.
Decline it for now, but don't keep declining it "forever." It does
make life harder when the inevitable occurs if you are a very late
adopter. I'm still seeing this for the very, very late adopters of
Windows 10, particularly since what was accurate information about how
to fix something has gone stale, sometimes several times over, during
the life of Windows 10.
----

*Reasons you want to be an early, but post "bleeding edge," adopter of
any new Windows version in the age of Windows As A Service*

1. If you are staying in the Windows ecosystem you will eventually
have to be on that new version anyway.

2. Whatever version of Windows you are currently using is going to go
out of support. Going to the latest version when you can ensures that
you will remain in-support for the longest period of time.

3. It is far easier to be part of a large cohort that's experiencing
growing pains, and discussing the solutions for same, at the same
time. Many people do not realize this until they are in the position
of asking questions long after most have forgotten answers that were
instantly available when everyone was trying to solve an issue.

4. Fixes that may work in the earlier days of any Windows version may
no longer work as time goes by. It becomes increasingly difficult to
dig through information that includes stale, and now inaccurate but
accurate when it was written, information. You can easily prove this
to yourself if you search for various fixes under Windows 10 that
worked at one point in time, but stopped doing so later. For an
example of this under Windows 11, see this topic on Technibble, Make
Win11 File Explorer use Icons AND Text for all icons (
https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/make-win11-file-explorer-use
-icons-and-text-for-all-icons.89270
) , specifically message #6 (
https://www.technibble.com/forums/threads/make-win11-file-explorer-use
-icons-and-text-for-all-icons.89270/post-744425
) in that topic. In addition, many fixes, applied early, carry
through all subsequent feature updates, and sometimes those fixes
become much harder to make over time as things change.

--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build
22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI
13)

*It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the
liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think
critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world
around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.*

~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times , Letters, Tales of Town
and
Gown: Is the Campus Isolated? (
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/20/opinion/letters/college-campus-town
s.html
) , August 20, 2022

hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?


Hello Kimber:

I'd call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900. The procedure to
stop being bothered about Windows 11 is quite complicated for most people.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 12:31 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?

Hi all,

I'm currently running windows 10 on a Lenovo laptop. Every time I have
to restart (like after a jaws upgrade) I get stuck on a screen that
tells me my laptop is ready for windows 11. The trouble is there is no
speech on this screen so I can't even accept the upgrade if I want to,
not without sighted help which isn't always available.

Is there some way to stop windows from prompting me every time I restart?

As a side note, I can't even turn on narrator at this point in the
boot process, so if I don't have sighted help around I am completely
over a barrel.

Any help or suggestions appreciated. Except the suggestion that I just
do that blasted upgrade. <grin>

Thanks in advance,
Kim

On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:27 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Windows 10 will be out of support sometime in the year 2025, if I am not mistaken.

-
You are correct.  Dates for the support of Windows in general, and Windows 10 & 11 can be found here:

Windows Lifecycle Fact Sheet

Windows 10 Home and Pro Lifecycle Sheet

Windows 11 Home and Pro Lifecycle Sheet
 
But, really, how long Windows 10 remains in support is only really relevant if you have a computer that does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11 (and I have two of those in my household).  Those who have to stay on Windows 10 should have no hesitation to do so, as it remains in support, and by the time it goes out you're likely to be at the age and stage where a new computer will be in the cards anyway.

But those who have hardware that can support Windows 11 really shouldn't put off upgrading.  It is definitely stable, screen readers work just fine with it, and it is going to be the Windows ecosystem that goes on for an extended period after 2025.  Windows 10 came out in 2015 and will have had a 10 year lifespan.  There's very little reason to believe that Windows 11 will not be relatively comparable, which means it will probably be in support through at least October 2031, if not longer.

When you consider that Windows 11 started out as what was supposed to be the next Feature Update of Windows 10, but that Microsoft decided to "spin it off" it frames the situation for what it is.  Windows 11 was and is just a natural progression from what Windows 10 was, and Windows 10 is now just being carried along, without any major improvements, through its expiration date.  There will be changes to screen readers as Windows 11 Feature Updates occur just as there were under Windows 10 as Feature Updates introduce new features or allow functionality for the screen reader itself that was not previously possible.
--

Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?


Hello Kimber:

I'd call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900. The
procedure to stop being bothered about Windows 11 is quite complicated for most people.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 12:31 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?

Hi all,

I'm currently running windows 10 on a Lenovo laptop. Every time I have
to restart (like after a jaws upgrade) I get stuck on a screen that
tells me my laptop is ready for windows 11. The trouble is there is no
speech on this screen so I can't even accept the upgrade if I want to,
not without sighted help which isn't always available.

Is there some way to stop windows from prompting me every time I restart?

As a side note, I can't even turn on narrator at this point in the
boot process, so if I don't have sighted help around I am completely
over a barrel.

Any help or suggestions appreciated. Except the suggestion that I just
do that blasted upgrade. <grin>

Thanks in advance,
Kim

hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...>
To: <main@jfw.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?


Hello Kimber:

I'd call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900. The
procedure to stop being bothered about Windows 11 is quite complicated for most people.

Cordially,

Curtis Chong

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber
Gardner
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 12:31 PM
To: main <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?

Hi all,

I'm currently running windows 10 on a Lenovo laptop. Every time I have
to restart (like after a jaws upgrade) I get stuck on a screen that
tells me my laptop is ready for windows 11. The trouble is there is no
speech on this screen so I can't even accept the upgrade if I want to,
not without sighted help which isn't always available.

Is there some way to stop windows from prompting me every time I restart?

As a side note, I can't even turn on narrator at this point in the
boot process, so if I don't have sighted help around I am completely
over a barrel.

Any help or suggestions appreciated. Except the suggestion that I just
do that blasted upgrade. <grin>

Thanks in advance,
Kim