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Karen Reynolds
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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Mike B.
You want to modify the Jaws dictionary. If you only
want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try
the following.
1. Open the specific app / program and press,
Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open.
You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually
is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word
the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any
settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any,
until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.
4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to
close.
If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for
all programs do it this way:
1. Press, Insert + D, to open
the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws
default dictionary.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open.
You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually
is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word
the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any
settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any,
until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar. Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Reynolds
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM
Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that is you may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them.
There's sometimes a significant amount of trial and error coming up with an alternate phonetic spelling that actually gets read the way you want it to. But after you have that pronunciation nailed, then use that spelling in the replacement. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Friendship. . . Intimacy, untroubled by eros. ~ Kim Chernin
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Mike B.
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Hi Brian,
You make an excellent point! Sometimes you not only
have to really totally screw around with a word to get Jaws to pronounce it the
way you want it, but you might have to place spaces in between syllables for
Jaws to do this as you want it reported. Using weird vowel and consonant
combinations is very common.
Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool.
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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 8:40 PM
Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word There's sometimes a significant amount of trial and error coming up with an alternate phonetic spelling that actually gets read the way you want it to. But after you have that pronunciation nailed, then use that spelling in the replacement. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
19044 Friendship. . . Intimacy, untroubled by eros. ~ Kim Chernin
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Adrian Spratt
Mike,
A couple of notes:
Once you press insert-d, you’re situated on the “Add” button. No need to tab. Instead, press spacebar.
Second, you’ll often find yourself with focus on the word whose pronunciation you wish to change. In that case, the word will already occupy the first field. So to make the change, instead of typing it in, tab once to the “change” field.
With regard to how to correct the pronunciation, look for patterns. For example, beginning a syllable with an uppercase letter is likely to place emphasis on that syllable. This is the kind of experimentation Brian and you allude to in your later messages. I’m just noting that there are patterns that are worth remembering for future JAWS dictionary entries.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 11:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
You want to modify the Jaws dictionary. If you only want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try the following. 1. Open the specific app / program and press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.
4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to close.
If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for all programs do it this way:
1. Press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws default dictionary.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar. Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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Steve Nutt
Hi,
You want to learn about the JAWS dictionary manager for this.
See this link for an intro:-
https://support.freedomscientific.com/teachers/lessons/9.1_DictionaryManagerIntroduction.htm
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: 07 April 2022 02:01 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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Steve Nutt
Hi Brian,
That’s a good tip. I don’t use it, simply because you can press insert Up Arrow in the replacement edit field to get the pronunciation, but it’s not a bad idea.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: 07 April 2022 04:40 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that is you may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them. Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Friendship. . . Intimacy, untroubled by eros. ~ Kim Chernin
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Mike Pietruk
Brian makes a great point here.
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Initially, I was much like Karen upset when a word was mispronounced expecting a screen reader to be a perfect speaker of the English language and my version of the English language, namely USA English. Then, something else struck me. From a practical standpoint, I am the only listener of my screen reader. As long as I am the only listener/reader, as long as I know what it is trying to say, that's all that matters. Now, if the way it says something might confuse me, certainly, work on a change. And, as Brian suggests, it may not be as simple as one expects to accomplish the fix. And, of course, we have words in English that are spelled the same but are pronounced quite differently given the context. Example, the word spelled W I N D which could have a log or short "letter i" sound given the meaning. You are never going to be able to fix that totally. JFW is a tool, not the perfect ennunciator of a language. As long as you knows what it means, that's what matters. If anything, be more concerned that you spell things correctly, especially if what you are preparing needs to be understood by someone else as a reader not using JFW or another screen reader.
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Brian Vogel wrote:
I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that is you may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them.
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Mike Pietruk
Adrian
When screen readers for a pc first became available widely, probably in the mid 1980s or so, pronunciations mishaps bothered me. But, as I continued using screen readers (initially on the former Apple II and moving on to a pc), I decided that as long as I knew what was being said, that was all that mattered. If one begins to take word pronunciations too seriously, one will be spending a lot of their time on somewhat unproductive activity. Unless the pronunciation confuses me, I am not going to concern myself about it. It is good, however, that JAWS does allow one to modify pronunciations if needed. I believe that the word that raised the question may be spoken differently in different versions of English -- U.S., British, Australian, New Zealand, et al.
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Steve Nutt
But remember, it's not the screen reader that initially pronounces the word
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wrong, it's the synthesiser. Sometimes, if you change synth, you will get a correct pronunciation. All the best Steve
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: 07 April 2022 10:47 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word Brian makes a great point here. Initially, I was much like Karen upset when a word was mispronounced expecting a screen reader to be a perfect speaker of the English language and my version of the English language, namely USA English. Then, something else struck me. From a practical standpoint, I am the only listener of my screen reader. As long as I am the only listener/reader, as long as I know what it is trying to say, that's all that matters. Now, if the way it says something might confuse me, certainly, work on a change. And, as Brian suggests, it may not be as simple as one expects to accomplish the fix. And, of course, we have words in English that are spelled the same but are pronounced quite differently given the context. Example, the word spelled W I N D which could have a log or short "letter i" sound given the meaning. You are never going to be able to fix that totally. JFW is a tool, not the perfect ennunciator of a language. As long as you knows what it means, that's what matters. If anything, be more concerned that you spell things correctly, especially if what you are preparing needs to be understood by someone else as a reader not using JFW or another screen reader. On Wed, 6 Apr 2022, Brian Vogel wrote: I want to add one thing to Mike B's excellent instructions, and that isyou may want to consider playing with the "how you want it to be pronounced by JAWS" spelling options in something like Notepad so that you can listen to what your "interesting spellings" will actually sound like when JAWS reads them. an alternate phonetic spelling that actually gets read the way you want it to. But after you have that pronunciation nailed, then use that spelling in the replacement. --
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Mike Pietruk
Steve
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Thanks for that reminder; and this certainly complicates things and strengthens my belief that, in most instances, one is better off leaving well enough alone. Presumably, since JAWS has a dictionary, there are words already in it. Is there a way to bring up a list (or a readable file containing them) so one could study what modifications have been implemented? In the old Window-eyes, one could do this seeing what words had changes made, what the changes looked like, and one could quickly add words or phrases to be modified and saved.
On Thu, 7 Apr 2022, Steve Nutt wrote:
But remember, it's not the screen reader that initially pronounces the word
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Karen Reynolds
Hi Mike and others, Thank you so much for answering my question. I knew there was a way, but couldn’t remember it.
Normally I don’t change things either, but this one really stood out as odd. And I’ve noticed that I’ve been pronouncing names of people the way Jaws says them. That causes some to look at me funny, like who are you talking about. I thought if I fixed some of them, I would say their names correctly.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 11:10 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
You want to modify the Jaws dictionary. If you only want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try the following. 1. Open the specific app / program and press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.
4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to close.
If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for all programs do it this way:
1. Press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws default dictionary.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar. Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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Adrian Spratt
I’m surprised that anyone would discourage JAWS users from taking advantage of the dictionary. One reason, as Karen says, is that JAWS can pump incorrect pronunciations into our heads that are difficult to remove, such as unusual names. I also find that, because I have JAWS set to a relatively high speed, I’m accustomed to ignoring words I don’t hear clearly, especially when I’m skimming. Often it’s because JAWS and/or my synthesizer is mispronouncing them. Not good for reading comprehension.
Beyond that, if you read for pleasure and the texts are difficult, mispronunciations make them that much harder and detract from your appreciation.
-- My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 8:54 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi Mike and others, Thank you so much for answering my question. I knew there was a way, but couldn’t remember it.
Normally I don’t change things either, but this one really stood out as odd. And I’ve noticed that I’ve been pronouncing names of people the way Jaws says them. That causes some to look at me funny, like who are you talking about. I thought if I fixed some of them, I would say their names correctly.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Mike B.
You want to modify the Jaws dictionary. If you only want to change the pronunciation of this word while in a specific program try the following. 1. Open the specific app / program and press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary for this app / program.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar.
4. Now press, Control + S, to save and, Alt + F4, to close.
If you want this dictionary change to be in effect for all programs do it this way:
1. Press, Insert + D, to open the Jaws dictionary, then press, Control, Shift + D, to open the Jaws default dictionary.
2. Tab to, Add, press the spacebar to open. You're in the, Actual word edit field, so type the word as it actually is.
3. Tab once to the, Replacement field, and type the word the way you want it to be pronounced by Jaws.
4. Now tab through the other dialogues making any settings changes you feel you might need to make, which there shouldn't be any, until you get to the, Okay button, and press the spacebar. Stay safe and take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Reynolds Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2022 6:00 PM Subject: changing how jaws speaks a word
Hi, I was reading about the Great Lakes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes
I was going through by headings and one of them is sewage, which if you are listening to this you will discover it is pronounced incorrectly. It should be sueage, or that is as close as I can get to it. How do I change how Jaws speaks this word to speak it correctly? Also, when there are updates will it keep it?
Karen
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 07:04 AM, Steve Nutt wrote:
But remember, it's not the screen reader that initially pronounces the word- True. But no matter what, you're fiddling with something, and you can be almost certain that what gets fixed in one Synth gets screwed up in another, so you may be rolling the dice as far as what was being pronounced correctly now no longer being so. That's one of the things I like about NVDA dictionary handling. Having a dictionary that is applied no matter the synth (default dictionary), versus to a given synth (voice dictionary), versus temporary for playing around before assigning something permanently to one of the other two or for really transient one-time use. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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Marty Hutchings
Have you ever been embarrassed by mispronouncing someone's name,
because you said it the way JAWS said it and it was dreadfully
wrong? I have and it's not fun. I just blame it on JAWS and
laugh it off most of the time. On 4/7/2022 9:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 07:04 AM, Steve Nutt wrote: -- Thanks, Lion Marty Hutchings BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison (262) 605-8981 mhutchings152730@... www.wisconsinbold.com
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Bill White
Usually, Marty, if you look at the spelling of people's names, you can figure out that JAWS is mispronouncing the name. Usually I look at the spelling of names, even when I know JAWS is not mispronouncing them, because, names may be spelled differently, and I don't want to type someone's name incorrectly. For example, Chris may be spelled with a ch, a K, or even just with a C.
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marty Hutchings
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 12:49 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word
Have you ever been embarrassed by mispronouncing someone's name, because you said it the way JAWS said it and it was dreadfully wrong? I have and it's not fun. I just blame it on JAWS and laugh it off most of the time. On 4/7/2022 9:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
-- Thanks,Lion Marty HutchingsBOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison(262) 605-8981mhutchings152730@...www.wisconsinbold.com
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Marty Hutchings
Bill, You are right and I usually do that when responding in
writing. It is when I refer to someone in person who's name was
read to me by JAWS and I am not familiar with that person by the
way that JAWS has pronounced the name, usually a last name. On 4/7/2022 3:05 PM, Bill White wrote:
-- Thanks, Lion Marty Hutchings BOLD Secretary, Program Director and VIP Liaison (262) 605-8981 mhutchings152730@... www.wisconsinbold.com
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Mike Pietruk
Marty
(1) First, you can always check the spelling of a name or word both by letter and phonetically. (2) Just because you have the spelling of a name, you won't necessarily pronounce it correctly.
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Bill White
Hi, Mike. No, having the spelling of a word or name won't guarantee that you
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will get the correct pronunciation correctly, but JAWS butchers the pronunciation of names which, if looked at as transcribed, are sometimes easier to recognize. When spoken by JAWS, though, it may sound like a different name altogether. Bill White billwhite92701@...
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From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 2:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: changing how jaws speaks a word Marty (1) First, you can always check the spelling of a name or word both by letter and phonetically. (2) Just because you have the spelling of a name, you won't necessarily pronounce it correctly.
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On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 06:05 PM, Bill White wrote:
having the spelling of a word or name won't guarantee that you will get the correct pronunciation correctly- That's for sure. Even for simple words, like, "cup," you can get some interesting results. I remember working on a recipe card where, when you put in 2 cups flour, you got, "two Cuban pesos flour." However, just changing the 'c' on "cup" to a capital made the synth say "cup." The mysteries of how and when certain pronunciation choices get made, and when certain things are interpreted as abbreviations versus words, are deep. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
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