Moderated annual vs perpetual License which is better?


Annabelle Susan Morison
 

Hey Daniel!
Nice to meet you. If you ask me, I believe the perpetual license is superior as it won't ever expire. I have a perpetual license, which Freedom Scientific gave me back when I purchased JAWS 3.7. I still have it to this day, though the latest version that can run on it currently is JAWS 15 (they updated it for me for free, on my birthday!). I wanted to update it to run JAWS 2021, but my American sister insisted on giving me the Annual license which is due to expire in 5 years. This was simply because I had to get a new computer last year after my Dell decided to fail on me, and I was short on funds. Luckily this machine is a custom built one. Both my machines are. One has Windows 7 (The one with JAWS 15 Professional), and this one I'm on right now, the one with JAWS 2021 Home, has Windows 10, with which I've had more troubles than ever!

On 10/29/2022 12:06 PM Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:


Hello all


Just recently got my Jaws more up to date. I'm not running the latest
but I'm not far behind either. This leads onto my question.


Since I live in the UK and our Jaws distributer is: Sight and Sound.
When in discussion with them, about getting my Jaws upgraded, I
mentioned the annual licensing system. Apparently though, we don't have it.


My question is: those who live in the US or Canada, Do you prefer the
"annual licensing system" over the older "perpetual license." If so why?


With kind regards


Daniel




Daniel McGee
 

Hello everyone, wow what a discussion! It's really interesting, and thought provoking to know everyone's opinions on which licensing system they prefer.


So thanks to you all, I have concluded that the perpetual license is the better. The main selling point, is one that Bill pointed out in which I completely forgotten about. This being that the versions you purchase / upgrade to never expire! I don't know why, but something about subscriptions these days where by that you rent and not own really does bother me to an extent. So I'm glad that this hasn't happened to Jaws yet.


Just as FYI, I upgraded from: Jaws 12 to 2022. Yes, you read that right! I'm really satisfied with my upgrade, this version of |Jaws is particularly snappy, fast and very responsive on my Win10 system running 22.h2.


Once, again thank you one and all for your valuable input.


Regards


Daniel

On 30/10/2022 12:07, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey Daniel!
Nice to meet you. If you ask me, I believe the perpetual license is superior as it won't ever expire. I have a perpetual license, which Freedom Scientific gave me back when I purchased JAWS 3.7. I still have it to this day, though the latest version that can run on it currently is JAWS 15 (they updated it for me for free, on my birthday!). I wanted to update it to run JAWS 2021, but my American sister insisted on giving me the Annual license which is due to expire in 5 years. This was simply because I had to get a new computer last year after my Dell decided to fail on me, and I was short on funds. Luckily this machine is a custom built one. Both my machines are. One has Windows 7 (The one with JAWS 15 Professional), and this one I'm on right now, the one with JAWS 2021 Home, has Windows 10, with which I've had more troubles than ever!
On 10/29/2022 12:06 PM Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:

Hello all


Just recently got my Jaws more up to date. I'm not running the latest
but I'm not far behind either. This leads onto my question.


Since I live in the UK and our Jaws distributer is: Sight and Sound.
When in discussion with them, about getting my Jaws upgraded, I
mentioned the annual licensing system. Apparently though, we don't have it.


My question is: those who live in the US or Canada, Do you prefer the
"annual licensing system" over the older "perpetual license." If so why?


With kind regards


Daniel





Mike Pietruk
 

Josh

One issue that comes to mind that, if someone were to do what you suggest,
is that the billing address would not be a U.S. one which is likely the
requirement.


Edward Green
 

Hi Mike,

There are ways around that: Sites such as US Unlocked will offer you a US address, though obviously you’d also need a US payment method which again is doable. However, there comes a point at which you have to wonder whether the hastle factor is worth it. For goods and services not available outside the US then it maybe, but for me at least, it wouldn't be in this scenario.

Cheers,

Ed

On 30 October 2022 12:56:59 "Mike Pietruk" <pietruk@...> wrote:

Josh

One issue that comes to mind that, if someone were to do what you suggest,
is that the billing address would not be a U.S. one which is likely the
requirement.




David Diamond
 

I disagree.  I had to renew my SMA earlier this year and requested a breakdown on the license thing as it came up on groups a while ago.  This is where I got the number crunching and just went with the SMA. 


molly the blind tech lover
 

I prefer the annual license. I had an SMA, and when it eventually
expired I switched to NVDA for several years. When I went back to
Jaws, I decided to purchase the annual license simply because it
would've been cheaper than having to buy another an SMA. By then my
Jaws version was several versions out of date, so it made sense for me
to purchase the annual license. I haven't looked back since.

On 10/29/22, Daniel McGee <danielmcgee134@...> wrote:
Hello all


Just recently got my Jaws more up to date. I'm not running the latest
but I'm not far behind either. This leads onto my question.


Since I live in the UK and our Jaws distributer is: Sight and Sound.
When in discussion with them, about getting my Jaws upgraded, I
mentioned the annual licensing system. Apparently though, we don't have it.


My question is: those who live in the US or Canada, Do you prefer the
"annual licensing system" over the older "perpetual license." If so why?


With kind regards


Daniel







David Diamond
 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...>
 

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


K0LNY
 

Agreed,
And if NVDA makers would offer a Jaws layout, like Microsoft used to do with MS Word, offering a "word perfect layout", many folks might not go back to Jaws.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


James Bentley
 

Wouldn’t Freedom Scientific have the right to sue NVDA for using their keyboard layout?

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Agreed,

And if NVDA makers would offer a Jaws layout, like Microsoft used to do with MS Word, offering a "word perfect layout", many folks might not go back to Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


K0LNY
 

I don't think so.
I think Word Perfect, I forget the company name of that software, then could have sewed Microsoft, and they didn't.
I don't think a company can copyright a keyboard layout.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

Wouldn’t Freedom Scientific have the right to sue NVDA for using their keyboard layout?

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Agreed,

And if NVDA makers would offer a Jaws layout, like Microsoft used to do with MS Word, offering a "word perfect layout", many folks might not go back to Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


K0LNY
 

Now that I give it more thought, I had forgotten to mention that WindowEyes used to have a Jaws layout for folks to switch to as well, so NVDA sure could do this, and I think more people would use NVDA.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

Wouldn’t Freedom Scientific have the right to sue NVDA for using their keyboard layout?

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Agreed,

And if NVDA makers would offer a Jaws layout, like Microsoft used to do with MS Word, offering a "word perfect layout", many folks might not go back to Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


James Bentley
 

If I am remembering right.  Freedom scientific forced Window Eyes to give it up.

 

That’s where I got the idea that a software company can’t use all of the key strokes or menus of another company.

 

I hope I am wrong about this.  And, I think Jaws would go out of business if NVDA offered a screen reader that worked exactly like Jaws.

 

Maybe others know more.

 

Cheers,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Now that I give it more thought, I had forgotten to mention that WindowEyes used to have a Jaws layout for folks to switch to as well, so NVDA sure could do this, and I think more people would use NVDA.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 4:10 AM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Wouldn’t Freedom Scientific have the right to sue NVDA for using their keyboard layout?

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Agreed,

And if NVDA makers would offer a Jaws layout, like Microsoft used to do with MS Word, offering a "word perfect layout", many folks might not go back to Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


K0LNY
 

Well even if it matched Jaws keystrokes, it would operate totally differently, because Jaws uses video intercept and NVDA does not do that.
And there are a few keystrokes that I think NVDA cannot emulate.
Glenn
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

If I am remembering right.  Freedom scientific forced Window Eyes to give it up.

 

That’s where I got the idea that a software company can’t use all of the key strokes or menus of another company.

 

I hope I am wrong about this.  And, I think Jaws would go out of business if NVDA offered a screen reader that worked exactly like Jaws.

 

Maybe others know more.

 

Cheers,

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2022 10:05 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Now that I give it more thought, I had forgotten to mention that WindowEyes used to have a Jaws layout for folks to switch to as well, so NVDA sure could do this, and I think more people would use NVDA.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2022 4:10 AM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Wouldn’t Freedom Scientific have the right to sue NVDA for using their keyboard layout?

 

James B 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:41 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

Agreed,

And if NVDA makers would offer a Jaws layout, like Microsoft used to do with MS Word, offering a "word perfect layout", many folks might not go back to Jaws.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 9:34 PM

Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

While I’m not the person who you asked this question to I’d like to address it anyway. NVDA is free and is a very capable screen reader. However, while both NVDA and JAWS are Windows-based screen readers they are no by means identical in what they do and each program has their pros and cons. In the case of JAWS it offers features that aren’t currently available in NVDA, such as text analyzer, flexible Web, better Outlook support, just to name a few.

 

David Goldfield,

Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist

NVDA Certified Expert

 

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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Diamond
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2022 10:22 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: annual vs perpetual License which is better?

 

My question is and maybe it is perceived as being nosey.  If you had NVDA which is free, why would you go back to JAWS, a paid service? 


Josh Kennedy
 

ever since windows11 and maybe windows10, the old jaws video intercept driver is disabled and not even installed. So no I don't think jaws uses video intercept anymore, instead it uses what is built into windows itself to get screen information. I think that is why the jaws cursor is less useful than touch cursor these days at least for me in windows11.