moderated Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?- Linux


K0LNY
 


I believe Mate desktop is the most like Windows, in terms of a start menu and desktop appearance.
And from what I have only heard, sounds like KDE or KTE, whatever it is, now is accessible.
Anyway, you can get the latest Ubuntu-mate and try it again.
If nothing else, it is good for getting files from a windows that won't boot.
That is what got me into Linux back before 2000, is the inaccessibility of partitioning tools in windows.
Here's a download site:
You can use Rufus or Universal USB Installer to put it on a thumb drive and boot to that.
The default option on boot is try Ubuntu without installing, so when it boots, and your computer may beep at that point, simply press enter and let it boot.
The command for starting the screenreader is alt windows + S.
 
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

Hello glen.

I certainly don’t require JAWS. I only wrote to say that my experience of over ten years ago was quite unsatisfactorya nd disappointing. That’s not to say that back then blind people didn’t’ successfully use Linux – they did and I talked to some of them. But there was just some weird quirk going on with my system and ORCA would not stay up for more than a few minutes at a time, no matter what I did. It also took the Linux kernel hoursa nd hours to install on it which I know was not normal – the person who was helping me get set up with Linux, a sighted user, told me that this was not at all normal given the apparent specs of the machine.

Good to know about Ubuntumate. I don’t know how that differes from regular Ubuntu, which is I think what I installed back in 2009. Why do you think it’s the best for a blind user?

What desktop environment are people using now anyway? I heard that Gnome had fallen out of favour, but KTE did not work with ORCA at all back then.

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: October 8, 2022 01:28 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

If someone cannot use anything other than Jaws, then the Linux environment might be tough.

I liken using the Linux screenreader to NVDA or WindowEyes.

But as in windows, the bulk of used commands are operating system commands, and not screenreader commands.

I use the Eloquence voice, but people can buy the human sounding voices too, they are like 15 dollars a voice.

It ships with eSpeak.

Ubuntu-Mate is still the best choice for the Blind AFAIK.

It ships with FireFox, and I believe TBird and VLC are still the default eMail and media players that come with it.

Glenn

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

I’d love to get into using Linux. I tried around 2009 using Ubuntu with Gnome, and Orca, the screen-reader, was crashing all the time. There was a weird hardware problem with the system, I think, which I never understood – so I’m hoping it was just a one-off and that an experience today might be better. Back then, I decided to just do a lot more stuff in console/command line – fine, except I was spending so much time trying to find and read the appropriate man pages that I just gave the computer to my sighted partner instead, who was happily using Linux for a year or so, and I went back to Windows exclusively.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: October 8, 2022 12:34 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?

 

On Sat, Oct 8, 2022 at 12:19 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:

Really, if people are just doing eMail, some audio and some web pages, it would be more like using windows 7 than using windows 10 is.

You still have the pull-down menus, no ribbons in Linux, and the desktop is like in windows.

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I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, vehemently.

The similarities between the Linux UI and Window UI exist, but they're superficial and the differences in the ecosystems is immense.  Way more than the adjustment needed to go from Windows 7 to Windows 10 is required to become proficient with the Linux UI and the Linux OS as a whole.

Changing operating systems, as opposed to upgrading in the same stream, is not something to be undertaken lightly.

Some people have wanted to complain about the Ribbons interface rather than learn it, and it's here to stay under most OSes besides Linux.  And learning a new Office Suite is no minor undertaking, either.

Moving from Windows 7 to 10 or 11 is a piece of cake compared to switching to an entirely new ecosystem.  Most of what you ever knew about Windows, going all the way back to Windows 3.1, is still entirely applicable and transferable.
 
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

If someone is wanting to try a Windows-like Linux, none of the other distros come close to either LinuxFX or WinFX, which have as their primary purpose aping Windows.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


K0LNY
 


Well I doubt that it gets closer than Ubuntu-Mate in keyboard commands, there only two or three I change to match windows, and that is changing control alt D to be windows + M and the run command from being alt F2 to windows + R.
I'm guessing the rest of it to be windows like is eye candy, with desktop backgrounds and it probably has ribbons instead of good old pull-down menus.
But I may give them a test drive to see if the screenreader works as well as in Ubuntu.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?- Linux

If someone is wanting to try a Windows-like Linux, none of the other distros come close to either LinuxFX or WinFX, which have as their primary purpose aping Windows.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


K0LNY
 


Here's an interesting youtube on LinuxFX.
I listened up to the commercial, but he didn't mention keyboarding, he is doing everything with a mouse.
Other than this Linux shipping with Chrome and Edge and Wine, which is what lets you use windows programs in Linux, it sounds that it is as I expected, eye candy only, it looks just like windows 11.
So if you can't see the screen, then Ubuntu-Mate would be best.
LinuxFX is based on Ubuntu Cinnamon, and I don't know how well Orca works in Cinnamon.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2022 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Access Clasic Taskbar Settings In Windows 10?- Linux

If someone is wanting to try a Windows-like Linux, none of the other distros come close to either LinuxFX or WinFX, which have as their primary purpose aping Windows.
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore


 

On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 06:39 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Other than this Linux shipping with Chrome and Edge and Wine, which is what lets you use windows programs in Linux, it sounds that it is as I expected, eye candy only, it looks just like windows 11.
So if you can't see the screen, then Ubuntu-Mate would be best.
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And unless you are the one and only user, the look and feel does matter.  I've had few Linux converts to begin with, but almost all of them (sighted or not) have wanted assistance at one point or another from "somebody handy" and the more likely it is that they can sit down and go, the better.

For myself, the inclusion of Chrome, Edge, and Wine are all very important plusses for anyone who is trying to have a hybrid Linux and Windows-ish environment.  But it really does depend on what, precisely what you want out of the distro you choose.

One of the great advantages or disadvantages of Linux, depending on how you feel about endless choices (and the research that goes with same), is the plethora of distros and what they target to "make easiest."
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Brian Virginia, USA Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.

    ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore