Moderated Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
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Kimsan
Never pressed 3 on the numpad.
-- Kimsan Song kimsan_song@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 10:43 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Are you pressing the 3 on the number row? Insert and 3 on the num pad will not work.
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Loy
Are you pressing the 3 on the number row? Insert
and 3 on the num pad will not work.
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Kimsan
Yes, aware that it will not say anything but as I continue to cycle through what I thought I closed is still open.
I tested it out and noted what was open. Some got it to work, which is cool but I’ll just stick to using close all.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song Kimsan_song@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Sunday, February 5, 2023 10:15 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Hey man. Don’t know what to tell you. It should work. You won’t hear It should work. Your screen-reader won’t announce anything; the window you are on when you hit delete should just close.
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main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Kimsan
Ok, I did insert 3. I held down alt an after hitting tab, I then hit delete with alt still held down. Nothing.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Loy
This works on my Windows 11 desktop. I would sometimes have trouble closing the documents folder and now this is a quick easy way.
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JM Casey
Hey man. Don’t know what to tell you. It should work. You won’t hear It should work. Your screen-reader won’t announce anything; the window you are on when you hit delete should just close.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: February 4, 2023 10:14 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Ok, I did insert 3. I held down alt an after hitting tab, I then hit delete with alt still held down. Nothing.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Loy
This works on my Windows 11 desktop. I would sometimes have trouble closing the documents folder and now this is a quick easy way.
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Kimsan
Ok, I did insert 3. I held down alt an after hitting tab, I then hit delete with alt still held down. Nothing.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song Kimsan_song@...
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Loy
Sent: Saturday, February 4, 2023 3:31 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
This works on my Windows 11 desktop. I would sometimes have trouble closing the documents folder and now this is a quick easy way.
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Loy
This works on my Windows 11 desktop. I would
sometimes have trouble closing the documents folder and now this is a quick easy
way.
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Joseph Machise
HI JM on my computer it doesn't
work ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2023 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just
discovered Hey. Press insert 3. Now start alt-tabbing through whatever open windows you have, without letting go of the alt key. When you find one that you want closed, don’t let go of alt, and just hit delete. If the pass key through command worked as it should, JAWS shouldn’t give the cursor announcement; instead the window should just close.
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Machise
JM trying it and it isn't working tried pressing the insert then pressing the key to pass threw that is number 3 held it the ault down and no luck please resend me the sequence step 1. and step 2 and soforth ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Cool. I thought some people here might find it a good trick. This normally is hidden a bit from JAWS users since JAWS intercepts alt+delete.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Zel Iscel
Thanks JM! That works beautifully for me.
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey via groups.io
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Joseph Machise
thanks will try one more time and let
you no ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2023 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just
discovered Hey. Press insert 3. Now start alt-tabbing through whatever open windows you have, without letting go of the alt key. When you find one that you want closed, don’t let go of alt, and just hit delete. If the pass key through command worked as it should, JAWS shouldn’t give the cursor announcement; instead the window should just close.
From:
main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph
Machise
JM trying it and it isn't working tried pressing the insert then pressing the key to pass threw that is number 3 held it the ault down and no luck please resend me the sequence step 1. and step 2 and soforth ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Cool. I thought some people here might find it a good trick. This normally is hidden a bit from JAWS users since JAWS intercepts alt+delete.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Zel Iscel
Thanks JM! That works beautifully for me.
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey via groups.io
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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JM Casey
Hey. Press insert 3. Now start alt-tabbing through whatever open windows you have, without letting go of the alt key. When you find one that you want closed, don’t let go of alt, and just hit delete. If the pass key through command worked as it should, JAWS shouldn’t give the cursor announcement; instead the window should just close.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: February 3, 2023 9:39 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
JM trying it and it isn't working tried pressing the insert then pressing the key to pass threw that is number 3 held it the ault down and no luck please resend me the sequence step 1. and step 2 and soforth ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 10:45 AM Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Cool. I thought some people here might find it a good trick. This normally is hidden a bit from JAWS users since JAWS intercepts alt+delete.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel
Thanks JM! That works beautifully for me.
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey via groups.io
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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JM Casey
Hey Joseph. That’s what happens if you don’t use the pass key through command since JAWS has taken over that keystroke (alt-delete), and so even if you don’t let go of the alt key while alt-tabbing, pressing delete will still have jaws grabbing the alt-delete keystroke and announcing cursor position etc. The pass key through remains in effect until you let go of alt. Or at least it should.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Machise
Sent: February 3, 2023 9:47 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
hey JM I did that and it jaws says says the active cursor and it's position ----- Original Message ----- From: JM Casey Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 12:22 PM Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Hey. Yes, I think the keystroke would still work on the laptop. I don’t use the laptop layout presently and haven’t in a long time, so I can’t really remember specifics about the key combinations. If you ever want to find out if a keystroke works though, you can just turn the keyboard learn mode on (insert num-row 1) and test the keystroke. If it’s valid, JAWS will announce what it does. Anyway, you’ve almost got it – you would press pass key through, then, alt tab. Don’t let go of the alt key, but alt-tab through your open windows. When you hear the name of a window you want closed, just press delete, while continuing to hold down the alt key. The pass key through command will remain in effect until you release alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Joseph Machise
hi Karen tried that and no
luck ----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Reynolds
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just
discovered It is insert 3 and it works. The first time I tried it, it didn’t’ work. I tried again with edge instead of a document. That one worked. I did have to hold the alt and do the tab, before doing the delete.
So it is insert 3then hold down alt Press tab until you get to the window you want Then press delete, the backspace doesn’t work for this. Or didn’t for me.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On
Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey. Yes, I think the keystroke would still work on the laptop. I don’t use the laptop layout presently and haven’t in a long time, so I can’t really remember specifics about the key combinations. If you ever want to find out if a keystroke works though, you can just turn the keyboard learn mode on (insert num-row 1) and test the keystroke. If it’s valid, JAWS will announce what it does. Anyway, you’ve almost got it – you would press pass key through, then, alt tab. Don’t let go of the alt key, but alt-tab through your open windows. When you hear the name of a window you want closed, just press delete, while continuing to hold down the alt key. The pass key through command will remain in effect until you release alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Reynolds
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Joseph Machise
hey JM I did that and it jaws says
says the active cursor and it's position ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just
discovered Hey. Yes, I think the keystroke would still work on the laptop. I don’t use the laptop layout presently and haven’t in a long time, so I can’t really remember specifics about the key combinations. If you ever want to find out if a keystroke works though, you can just turn the keyboard learn mode on (insert num-row 1) and test the keystroke. If it’s valid, JAWS will announce what it does. Anyway, you’ve almost got it – you would press pass key through, then, alt tab. Don’t let go of the alt key, but alt-tab through your open windows. When you hear the name of a window you want closed, just press delete, while continuing to hold down the alt key. The pass key through command will remain in effect until you release alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On
Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Joseph Machise
JM trying it and it isn't
working tried pressing the insert then pressing the key to pass threw that
is number 3 held it the ault down and no luck please resend me the sequence
step 1. and step 2 and soforth ----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2023 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just
discovered Cool. I thought some people here might find it a good trick. This normally is hidden a bit from JAWS users since JAWS intercepts alt+delete.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Zel Iscel
Thanks JM! That works beautifully for me.
Cheers Zel
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of
JM Casey via groups.io
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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JM Casey
Hey.
Yeah, I certainly never mentioned backspace, and wouldn’t have thought to try it. The delete key ends processes in task manager and would seem to be the logical choice, since you’re not going back to anything, just closing windows as you land on them.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 3, 2023 12:29 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
It is insert 3 and it works. The first time I tried it, it didn’t’ work. I tried again with edge instead of a document. That one worked. I did have to hold the alt and do the tab, before doing the delete.
So it is insert 3then hold down alt Press tab until you get to the window you want Then press delete, the backspace doesn’t work for this. Or didn’t for me.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey. Yes, I think the keystroke would still work on the laptop. I don’t use the laptop layout presently and haven’t in a long time, so I can’t really remember specifics about the key combinations. If you ever want to find out if a keystroke works though, you can just turn the keyboard learn mode on (insert num-row 1) and test the keystroke. If it’s valid, JAWS will announce what it does. Anyway, you’ve almost got it – you would press pass key through, then, alt tab. Don’t let go of the alt key, but alt-tab through your open windows. When you hear the name of a window you want closed, just press delete, while continuing to hold down the alt key. The pass key through command will remain in effect until you release alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Karen Reynolds
It is insert 3 and it works. The first time I tried it, it didn’t’ work. I tried again with edge instead of a document. That one worked. I did have to hold the alt and do the tab, before doing the delete.
So it is insert 3then hold down alt Press tab until you get to the window you want Then press delete, the backspace doesn’t work for this. Or didn’t for me.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 12:23 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Hey. Yes, I think the keystroke would still work on the laptop. I don’t use the laptop layout presently and haven’t in a long time, so I can’t really remember specifics about the key combinations. If you ever want to find out if a keystroke works though, you can just turn the keyboard learn mode on (insert num-row 1) and test the keystroke. If it’s valid, JAWS will announce what it does. Anyway, you’ve almost got it – you would press pass key through, then, alt tab. Don’t let go of the alt key, but alt-tab through your open windows. When you hear the name of a window you want closed, just press delete, while continuing to hold down the alt key. The pass key through command will remain in effect until you release alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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JM Casey
Hey. Yes, I think the keystroke would still work on the laptop. I don’t use the laptop layout presently and haven’t in a long time, so I can’t really remember specifics about the key combinations. If you ever want to find out if a keystroke works though, you can just turn the keyboard learn mode on (insert num-row 1) and test the keystroke. If it’s valid, JAWS will announce what it does. Anyway, you’ve almost got it – you would press pass key through, then, alt tab. Don’t let go of the alt key, but alt-tab through your open windows. When you hear the name of a window you want closed, just press delete, while continuing to hold down the alt key. The pass key through command will remain in effect until you release alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 3, 2023 12:15 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Karen Reynolds
So, would insert 3 be the same on a laptop?
And would I do insert 3, then the alt delete?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 11:55 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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JM Casey
Heya. No, that’s one of the cool thigns about this – if you use pass through, it applies until you release the alt key. That means you can go through as many windows as you want and just hit delete on the ones you no longer want to have open, and pass through will remain effective until you let go of alt.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: February 3, 2023 11:35 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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JM Casey
Hey Karen. It is a jaws command, insert num-row 3 if you are using desktop layout, that passes the next key on to whatever application…IE, not JAWS. So basically, in this case, you can’t use alt-tab, delete to close an open window because JAWS has taken over the alt-delete keystroke. So you want to pass the keystroke through to the application (in this case, file explorer) and have jaws ignore it. That’s what that command does.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Karen Reynolds
Sent: February 3, 2023 11:50 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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Karen Reynolds
What is pass through and what does it do? And how is it done in this process?
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Sent: Friday, February 3, 2023 11:35 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Something kind of cool and interesting I just discovered
Oh ok. I was doing the pass through after alt tab.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Yo Kimsan. You have to hit jaws pass key through before you hit alt-tab. It should be the first thing you hit in the sequence. I’m trying to figure out how to use the taskkill command to close all open windows. I’m sure that with some filter it can be done, and then you could put a shortcut on your desktop to accomplish it. But that utility sounds neat as well.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimsan
Yo my friend, I’m trying to comprehend this… So hold down the alt key, hit tab, then the bypass command then hit delete?
I’m guilty of having several windows open, until I came across a program that I found on a website that no longer exists jaws-users.com, called close all, so I use that and have been for years. I have the shortcut on the taskbar, so when I’m done for the night, or day, and since I always have several windows open, I just do windows key 3 and all is gone. Your method sounds neat though.
-- Beans beans the musical fruit, The more I eat the more I toot, The more I toot the better I feel, So let's have beans for every meal! Best regards, Kimsan Song
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Hey everyone. I wanted to share this because I thought it was sort of a neat discovery that might benefit someone out there as it does me, a bit. So, as everyone knows, Windows has a lot of neat keyboard commands that are useful for a number of things throughout the operating system. Ever realise you have a craplaod of a windows open, and it’s too much,a nd you want to close them? Are you, like me, still sort of stuck on using alt-tab to go from window to window? If you find yourself in this position, what you probably do is alt-tab to a bunch of open windows, then hit alt-f4 to close each one until your windows are a little more manageable and fewer in number. Well, did you know, that you can, in fact, hold down the alt key, press tab, have your focused window announced, and then, without letting go of the alt key, just hit delete, and that window will close? It’s true! And pretty great. Except hey, wait a minute! There’s an unusual JAWS keystroke, alt-delete, that probably most of us don’t use. This keystroke announces the active cursor and it’s position relative to the window in focus. This jaws keystroke interferes with the operation of the Windows keystroke alt-delete, which will close windows as you alt-tab through them. Now, you could just delete or redefine this jaws keystroke, I guess, if you wanted to. But, If you use the pass key through command, jaws key + number-row 3, you can follow it by any number of alt-tabs, and, so long as you continue to hold the alt key down, the alt-delete windows keystroke works to close the window you’ve focused on. So in other words, if you use pass key through, so long as you hold the alt key down and continue to do so, you can press tab any number of times you want, and delete, and it counts as a single keystroke. This is really cool on a couple of different levels, but especially knowing that you don’t have to hit alt-tab, release, alt-f4 to close, then alt-tab again, release, and on and on, even if you 8are* addicted to alt-tab rather than going to your open windows some other and arguably more efficient way. And I do count myself among that number. But from now on, I think I’ll be using alt-delete a lot more often to deal with those accumulated open windows. Before you ask, no, this doesn’t appear to work with browser tabs and ctrl-tab/delete. But, those aren’t a part of windows. Maybe someone should try with the new Windows 11 tabbed explorer feature.
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