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Moderated Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?
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brian albriton
Considering the depth of this discussion i’ll exercise caution and have somebody assist me with this upgrade when it’s necessary. I’ve I have fallen way behind in my knowledge of windows and jaws Heck, I didn’t even know what the touch cursor was! Thanks to you all for sharing your knowledge On Jan 28, 2023, at 8:16 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
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Molly,
Great minds thinks along similar lines. I've posted what follows more times than I can count, but it's appropriate, again, here: On any Windows machine running Windows 10 or later, when issues inexplicably present themselves “out of the blue” and with seemingly no reason, these are the two things I recommend doing, in order: 2. Performing a Windows 10 or 11 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows ISO file If #1 fixes the issue, #2 is unnecessary. --Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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molly the blind tech lover
Well in that case I'd recommend running Dism/sfc. If that doesn't work you can boot into safe mode and try and repair Windows. If all else fails you can create a bootable usb and reinstall Windows. The Microsoft disability answer desk can help you access the bios and change the boot order to allow your machine to boot from a usb first. On Sat, Jan 28, 2023, 10:29 PM Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote: I am, and my bios is up to date. |
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Karen Reynolds
I am, and my bios is up to date.
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Karen -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 8:59 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? Ok, well just make sure you're getting the drivers either from Lenovo Vantage or via Lenovo's website, make sure if you get them from the website that they are the exact drivers for your laptop. Windows offers driver updates, but Lenovo often has newer drivers. Lenovo Vantage also offers bios updates. On 1/28/23, Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote: I've made sure even optional updates have run, and now I've run the |
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molly the blind tech lover
Ok, well just make sure you're getting the drivers either from Lenovo
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Vantage or via Lenovo's website, make sure if you get them from the website that they are the exact drivers for your laptop. Windows offers driver updates, but Lenovo often has newer drivers. Lenovo Vantage also offers bios updates. On 1/28/23, Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:
I've made sure even optional updates have run, and now I've run the Jaws |
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Karen Reynolds
I've made sure even optional updates have run, and now I've run the Jaws repair. I'll see in a few days if that worked or not.
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And I have a Lenovo, and all of its drivers are up-to-date. Karen -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 3:42 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? Have you tried running DISM/SFC? What model of laptop do you have? On 1/28/23, Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote: It is set up and does automatic downloads. |
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molly the blind tech lover
Have you tried running DISM/SFC? What model of laptop do you have?
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On 1/28/23, Karen Reynolds <karenreynolds2061@...> wrote:
It is set up and does automatic downloads. |
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Karen Reynolds
It is set up and does automatic downloads.
Karen
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 11:21 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible?
On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:17 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:25 AM, Mike Pietruk wrote:
And just because formal support ends, people will continue using Win10 for- My response to this is, "Yes, and?" We all know this, and we all know that there are weird exception condition where very old hardware and software has to be kept alive, but that's not what the general discussion is about, which is daily drivers that are connected to cyberspace and used for the typical activities of 21st century daily life. It is insane, yes, insane, to use an unsupported version of Windows as a daily driver. Period, end of sentence. If you are able to keep yourself on an in-support version of WIndows with whatever hardware you have, and that hardware is your daily driver, that is what you should and really must do. The "what-if-ism" related to exception conditions is not germane in any way to a discussion of daily driver computers and I wish to heaven that people would stop introducing it into every conversation about OS upgrades as though it were. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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Mike Pietruk
Yes, sometime in 2025 is the current end of support date, but that can be
extended; so, who knows. And just because formal support ends, people will continue using Win10 for sometime after that. After all, there are people still on Win7 and operating systems prior to that. Often, what drives some people to upgrade operating systems is that certain software packages no longer will work on their systems or something new in a current operating system that catches their needs or fancy. So, regardless, as Win10 has been a successful system, it will be around in one way or another for some time into the future regardless of the official kill date. And with that, at least 2 years down the road, for many, there isn't an urgent need to move up to Win 11. Microsoft will have to sell the marketplace that Win11 is where one needs to be. |
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On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:17 AM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
I just had to reboot because jaws and my sound card went wonky with odd noises.- Which just SCREAMS that there is an issue with the sound card driver. Are you using the "service station" software that comes from you computer manufacturer, e.g., Lenovo Vantage, HP Support Assistant, to keep all of your drivers and UEFI/BIOS up-to-date? If not, then get to your computer's maker's support pages for your make and model and download that software and get it set up. The importance of keeping all aspects of a computer system up to date cannot be overstated. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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Karen Reynolds
Mine are and I'm still having issues. I just had to reboot because jaws and my sound card went wonky with odd noises.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Milton Ota Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 11:11 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? To add to the previous msg ... You need to be sure that your Windows 11 and JAWS software are up-to-date. I'm not experiencing any major problems. -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Faithville via groups.io Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? so far windows 11 is working fine with jaws and other such screen readers. On 1/27/2023 6:28 PM, Joseph Machise wrote: hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time. |
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On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 11:10 AM, Milton Ota wrote:
You need to be sure that your Windows 11 and JAWS software are up-to-date.- Just expand this to, "Make sure that all software, including Windows 10, any applications (JAWS included), and drivers are up to date," and you've given the very best advice possible. As far as drivers go, almost all the major computer manufacturers now have "service station" software for their machines that has as its intent keeping all drivers and other "under the hood" things like UEFI/BIOS up to date. Examples include Lenovo Vantage and HP Support Assistant and there are many others. It is best practice to have this software constantly running in the background, as it is the most reliable way to get manufacturer specific updates straight from the source. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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Milton Ota
To add to the previous msg ...
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You need to be sure that your Windows 11 and JAWS software are up-to-date. I'm not experiencing any major problems. -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Faithville via groups.io Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2023 12:04 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? so far windows 11 is working fine with jaws and other such screen readers. On 1/27/2023 6:28 PM, Joseph Machise wrote: hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time. |
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 11:51 PM, Karen Reynolds wrote:
I upgraded on my laptop and I'm still having issues.- I suggest Using DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) and SFC (System File Checker) to Repair Windows 8, 10 & 11 as your first course of action. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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Faithville
Yes, thatis correct so no matter the issue eventually people will
have to update to windows 11.
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:27 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote: |
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Faithville
so far windows 11 is working fine with jaws and other such screen readers.
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On 1/27/2023 6:28 PM, Joseph Machise wrote:
hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time. |
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Karen Reynolds
Hi Molly,
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I would think that would depend on the computer. I upgraded on my laptop and I'm still having issues. Jaws will suddenly stop talking like it runs out of memory or something, when there is plenty. Seems to be issues when more than a couple of windows are open. Before, with 10, I could have 10 or more and no issues. I've started going through and deleting programs I don't use. Haven't noticed a difference yet. Karen -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 5:27 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? I definitely agree with you on the need to upgrade to Windows 11 eventually, as Windows 10 will be out of support sometime in the year 2025, if I am not mistaken. I still use my Windows 10 pc for school, but for my home use I use my new Thinkpad, which came with Windows 11 22h2 out of the box. For the most part, I think, Windows 11 is much more stable than when it first came out. There have been driver updates, particularly with Intel, that seem to have fixed compatibility issues, among other things. On 1/27/23, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 02:30 PM, Kimber Gardner wrote:- |
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On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 05:27 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Windows 10 will be out of support sometime in the year 2025, if I am not mistaken.- You are correct. Dates for the support of Windows in general, and Windows 10 & 11 can be found here: Windows 10 Home and Pro Lifecycle Sheet Windows 11 Home and Pro Lifecycle SheetBut, really, how long Windows 10 remains in support is only really relevant if you have a computer that does not meet the minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11 (and I have two of those in my household). Those who have to stay on Windows 10 should have no hesitation to do so, as it remains in support, and by the time it goes out you're likely to be at the age and stage where a new computer will be in the cards anyway. But those who have hardware that can support Windows 11 really shouldn't put off upgrading. It is definitely stable, screen readers work just fine with it, and it is going to be the Windows ecosystem that goes on for an extended period after 2025. Windows 10 came out in 2015 and will have had a 10 year lifespan. There's very little reason to believe that Windows 11 will not be relatively comparable, which means it will probably be in support through at least October 2031, if not longer. When you consider that Windows 11 started out as what was supposed to be the next Feature Update of Windows 10, but that Microsoft decided to "spin it off" it frames the situation for what it is. Windows 11 was and is just a natural progression from what Windows 10 was, and Windows 10 is now just being carried along, without any major improvements, through its expiration date. There will be changes to screen readers as Windows 11 Feature Updates occur just as there were under Windows 10 as Feature Updates introduce new features or allow functionality for the screen reader itself that was not previously possible. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022 |
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Joseph Machise
hi group, there making things harder aren't they all the time.
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From: "Curtis Chong" <chong.curtis@...> To: <main@jfw.groups.io> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? Hello Kimber: I'd call Microsoft Disability Answer Desk at 800-936-5900. The procedure to stop being bothered about Windows 11 is quite complicated for most people. Cordially, Curtis Chong -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kimber Gardner Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 12:31 PM To: main <main@jfw.groups.io> Subject: Decline the windows 11 upgrade prompt -- is it possible? Hi all, I'm currently running windows 10 on a Lenovo laptop. Every time I have to restart (like after a jaws upgrade) I get stuck on a screen that tells me my laptop is ready for windows 11. The trouble is there is no speech on this screen so I can't even accept the upgrade if I want to, not without sighted help which isn't always available. Is there some way to stop windows from prompting me every time I restart? As a side note, I can't even turn on narrator at this point in the boot process, so if I don't have sighted help around I am completely over a barrel. Any help or suggestions appreciated. Except the suggestion that I just do that blasted upgrade. <grin> Thanks in advance, Kim -- Kimberly |
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