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Moderated jaws speaking funny on website
Adrian Spratt
Hi JM,
As Mike points out, you can manually refresh the page with F5. So you shouldn't miss new information while benefiting from a stable page. I use F5 regularly, along with the JAWS command insert-escape. I find both are needed to ensure JAWS displays all the page's current content.
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As Mike points out, you can manually refresh the page with F5. So you shouldn't miss new information while benefiting from a stable page. I use F5 regularly, along with the JAWS command insert-escape. I find both are needed to ensure JAWS displays all the page's current content.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 3:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Recently? The jump to line keystroke has been around in JAWS for as longa s I remember using it -- probably prior to version 4.
Good tips though. I would be wary of turning refresh off in this way for all sites as it means your screen-reader will literally miss information on the page, but yes, it ought to make reading a little nicer in some cases, where you don't care about new content, and don't have to do a lot of actual work with the page aside from just reading it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: January 27, 2023 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Adrian and all
Jaws recently got the letter "j" commands in browsers.
When j is pressed, you are told how many lines a page has and are given an opportunity to jump to a specific line number.
So, for a static page, you can go right to where your want or, if it changes, very close to where you need to be.
Header numbers can also save a lot of time. For instance, the Weather bureau's local forecast pages here in the U.S. have current conditions at the first header 2; the 2nd header 2 gives you the forecast.
a lot of times, I rather read the zone area forecast -- the oldstyle weather report -- and I can quickly find its link using the search string zone.
Yes, perhaps initially it's more work discovering things, but if you use things often, it's more than worth the effort.
And recently Freedom Scientific offered a power tip which explained how to stop page refreshes when browsing.
It was written with Chrome in mind but it also works in Brave, and probably any Chromium based browser.
With the browser open, hit Insert"v which brings you into the Quick settings area of Jaws.
In the search box enter
refresh
arrow down twice and then cycle through the 3 choices -- continual refreshes, once a minute, or none.
Having it at none makes reading sports scores and stock quotes pages easier and one can always hit f5 to refresh a page when needed.
And, with the quick settings, one can change the choice on the fly.
The more one learns about JAWS, the more you learn how to use it more effectively and one will be less frustrated and think more highly of their screen reader.
Is it perfect, of course not, but what is. And often it is better to count one's blessings rather than just pointing out the shortcomings.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of JM Casey
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 3:31 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Recently? The jump to line keystroke has been around in JAWS for as longa s I remember using it -- probably prior to version 4.
Good tips though. I would be wary of turning refresh off in this way for all sites as it means your screen-reader will literally miss information on the page, but yes, it ought to make reading a little nicer in some cases, where you don't care about new content, and don't have to do a lot of actual work with the page aside from just reading it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: January 27, 2023 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Adrian and all
Jaws recently got the letter "j" commands in browsers.
When j is pressed, you are told how many lines a page has and are given an opportunity to jump to a specific line number.
So, for a static page, you can go right to where your want or, if it changes, very close to where you need to be.
Header numbers can also save a lot of time. For instance, the Weather bureau's local forecast pages here in the U.S. have current conditions at the first header 2; the 2nd header 2 gives you the forecast.
a lot of times, I rather read the zone area forecast -- the oldstyle weather report -- and I can quickly find its link using the search string zone.
Yes, perhaps initially it's more work discovering things, but if you use things often, it's more than worth the effort.
And recently Freedom Scientific offered a power tip which explained how to stop page refreshes when browsing.
It was written with Chrome in mind but it also works in Brave, and probably any Chromium based browser.
With the browser open, hit Insert"v which brings you into the Quick settings area of Jaws.
In the search box enter
refresh
arrow down twice and then cycle through the 3 choices -- continual refreshes, once a minute, or none.
Having it at none makes reading sports scores and stock quotes pages easier and one can always hit f5 to refresh a page when needed.
And, with the quick settings, one can change the choice on the fly.
The more one learns about JAWS, the more you learn how to use it more effectively and one will be less frustrated and think more highly of their screen reader.
Is it perfect, of course not, but what is. And often it is better to count one's blessings rather than just pointing out the shortcomings.
JM Casey
Recently? The jump to line keystroke has been around in JAWS for as longa s
I remember using it -- probably prior to version 4.
Good tips though. I would be wary of turning refresh off in this way for all
sites as it means your screen-reader will literally miss information on the
page, but yes, it ought to make reading a little nicer in some cases, where
you don't care about new content, and don't have to do a lot of actual work
with the page aside from just reading it.
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I remember using it -- probably prior to version 4.
Good tips though. I would be wary of turning refresh off in this way for all
sites as it means your screen-reader will literally miss information on the
page, but yes, it ought to make reading a little nicer in some cases, where
you don't care about new content, and don't have to do a lot of actual work
with the page aside from just reading it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: January 27, 2023 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Adrian and all
Jaws recently got the letter "j" commands in browsers.
When j is pressed, you are told how many lines a page has and are given an
opportunity to jump to a specific line number.
So, for a static page, you can go right to where your want or, if it
changes, very close to where you need to be.
Header numbers can also save a lot of time. For instance, the Weather
bureau's local forecast pages here in the U.S. have current conditions at
the first header 2; the 2nd header 2 gives you the forecast.
a lot of times, I rather read the zone area forecast -- the oldstyle weather
report -- and I can quickly find its link using the search string zone.
Yes, perhaps initially it's more work discovering things, but if you use
things often, it's more than worth the effort.
And recently Freedom Scientific offered a power tip which explained how to
stop page refreshes when browsing.
It was written with Chrome in mind but it also works in Brave, and probably
any Chromium based browser.
With the browser open, hit Insert"v which brings you into the Quick settings
area of Jaws.
In the search box enter
refresh
arrow down twice and then cycle through the 3 choices -- continual
refreshes, once a minute, or none.
Having it at none makes reading sports scores and stock quotes pages easier
and one can always hit f5 to refresh a page when needed.
And, with the quick settings, one can change the choice on the fly.
The more one learns about JAWS, the more you learn how to use it more
effectively and one will be less frustrated and think more highly of their
screen reader.
Is it perfect, of course not, but what is. And often it is better to count
one's blessings rather than just pointing out the shortcomings.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: January 27, 2023 3:00 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Adrian and all
Jaws recently got the letter "j" commands in browsers.
When j is pressed, you are told how many lines a page has and are given an
opportunity to jump to a specific line number.
So, for a static page, you can go right to where your want or, if it
changes, very close to where you need to be.
Header numbers can also save a lot of time. For instance, the Weather
bureau's local forecast pages here in the U.S. have current conditions at
the first header 2; the 2nd header 2 gives you the forecast.
a lot of times, I rather read the zone area forecast -- the oldstyle weather
report -- and I can quickly find its link using the search string zone.
Yes, perhaps initially it's more work discovering things, but if you use
things often, it's more than worth the effort.
And recently Freedom Scientific offered a power tip which explained how to
stop page refreshes when browsing.
It was written with Chrome in mind but it also works in Brave, and probably
any Chromium based browser.
With the browser open, hit Insert"v which brings you into the Quick settings
area of Jaws.
In the search box enter
refresh
arrow down twice and then cycle through the 3 choices -- continual
refreshes, once a minute, or none.
Having it at none makes reading sports scores and stock quotes pages easier
and one can always hit f5 to refresh a page when needed.
And, with the quick settings, one can change the choice on the fly.
The more one learns about JAWS, the more you learn how to use it more
effectively and one will be less frustrated and think more highly of their
screen reader.
Is it perfect, of course not, but what is. And often it is better to count
one's blessings rather than just pointing out the shortcomings.
Mike Pietruk
Adrian and all
Jaws recently got the letter "j" commands in browsers.
When j is pressed, you are told how many lines a page has and are given an
opportunity to jump to a specific line number.
So, for a static page, you can go right to where your want or, if it
changes, very close to where you need to be.
Header numbers can also save a lot of time. For instance, the Weather
bureau's local forecast pages here in the U.S. have current conditions at
the first header 2; the 2nd header 2 gives you the forecast.
a lot of times, I rather read the zone area forecast -- the oldstyle
weather report -- and I can quickly find its link using the search string
zone.
Yes, perhaps initially it's more work discovering things, but if you use
things often, it's more than worth the effort.
And recently Freedom Scientific offered a power tip which explained how to
stop page refreshes when browsing.
It was written with Chrome in mind but it also works in Brave, and
probably any Chromium based browser.
With the browser open, hit Insert"v which brings you into the Quick
settings area of Jaws.
In the search box enter
refresh
arrow down twice and then cycle through the 3 choices -- continual
refreshes, once a minute, or none.
Having it at none makes reading sports scores and stock quotes pages
easier and one can always hit f5 to refresh a page when needed.
And, with the quick settings, one can change the choice on the fly.
The more one learns about JAWS, the more you learn how to use it more
effectively and one will be less frustrated and think more highly of their
screen reader.
Is it perfect, of course not, but what is. And often it is better to
count one's blessings rather than just pointing out the shortcomings.
Jaws recently got the letter "j" commands in browsers.
When j is pressed, you are told how many lines a page has and are given an
opportunity to jump to a specific line number.
So, for a static page, you can go right to where your want or, if it
changes, very close to where you need to be.
Header numbers can also save a lot of time. For instance, the Weather
bureau's local forecast pages here in the U.S. have current conditions at
the first header 2; the 2nd header 2 gives you the forecast.
a lot of times, I rather read the zone area forecast -- the oldstyle
weather report -- and I can quickly find its link using the search string
zone.
Yes, perhaps initially it's more work discovering things, but if you use
things often, it's more than worth the effort.
And recently Freedom Scientific offered a power tip which explained how to
stop page refreshes when browsing.
It was written with Chrome in mind but it also works in Brave, and
probably any Chromium based browser.
With the browser open, hit Insert"v which brings you into the Quick
settings area of Jaws.
In the search box enter
refresh
arrow down twice and then cycle through the 3 choices -- continual
refreshes, once a minute, or none.
Having it at none makes reading sports scores and stock quotes pages
easier and one can always hit f5 to refresh a page when needed.
And, with the quick settings, one can change the choice on the fly.
The more one learns about JAWS, the more you learn how to use it more
effectively and one will be less frustrated and think more highly of their
screen reader.
Is it perfect, of course not, but what is. And often it is better to
count one's blessings rather than just pointing out the shortcomings.
Adrian Spratt
Mike,
Let me reinforce what you're saying by listing three JAWS features that, in some cases, can make navigation for JAWS users faster than it is for people who don't use a screenreader. I'm not trying to be pollyannish here. My sighted wife and other friends often get somewhere faster than I when navigating. Still, I'm pretty efficient, as I'm sure you are, and here are three reasons why:
JAWS find: If I know the word or search string I need, I just press insert-control-f, type in that word or string, press enter, and I'm taken there.
Placemarkers: For websites that I visit regularly, I save much time searching by setting placemarkers where I know I'll be returning. They're especially useful when that place isn't a heading, which I could easily get to with either "h" or the appropriate number on the row above the letters.
Links list: First-letter navigation through the insert-F7 links list can make finding a link whose name I don't recall go pretty fast.
Three features that aren't available to people who don't need screenreaders. Give Vispero and its competitors credit.
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My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
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Let me reinforce what you're saying by listing three JAWS features that, in some cases, can make navigation for JAWS users faster than it is for people who don't use a screenreader. I'm not trying to be pollyannish here. My sighted wife and other friends often get somewhere faster than I when navigating. Still, I'm pretty efficient, as I'm sure you are, and here are three reasons why:
JAWS find: If I know the word or search string I need, I just press insert-control-f, type in that word or string, press enter, and I'm taken there.
Placemarkers: For websites that I visit regularly, I save much time searching by setting placemarkers where I know I'll be returning. They're especially useful when that place isn't a heading, which I could easily get to with either "h" or the appropriate number on the row above the letters.
Links list: First-letter navigation through the insert-F7 links list can make finding a link whose name I don't recall go pretty fast.
Three features that aren't available to people who don't need screenreaders. Give Vispero and its competitors credit.
--
My novel Caroline is now available in paperback, Kindle and audiobook versions and, for qualified readers in the US, at the National Library Service/BARD. Go to: https://adrianspratt.com/book/
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
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Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Ashleigh
From what I can tell, JAWS seems to do an adequate job on most sites I encounter.
Sure, improvements can always be there.
But, another question is how well is the average JAWS user familiar with all of the capabilities of the program?
I'd suggest that if the average user was more familiar with all the tools built into the program, their satisfaction rate would increase and their frustration rate lessen.
This is as much a perception issue as anything.
Many users of JAWS (or any screen reader) believe that the average sighted user has perfect use of websites so anything falling short of that for the JAWS user indicates a problem with the program.
It may or may not; and the issue for the developers of JAWS is they are dealing with a moving target not one that remains constant.
The marvel to me is that screen readers do as well as they do.
50 years ago I never dreamed of the access to info that I have today; then, it would have deemed unrealistic fantasy at best.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2023 10:46 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Cc: jfw@groups.io
Subject: Re: jaws speaking funny on website
Ashleigh
From what I can tell, JAWS seems to do an adequate job on most sites I encounter.
Sure, improvements can always be there.
But, another question is how well is the average JAWS user familiar with all of the capabilities of the program?
I'd suggest that if the average user was more familiar with all the tools built into the program, their satisfaction rate would increase and their frustration rate lessen.
This is as much a perception issue as anything.
Many users of JAWS (or any screen reader) believe that the average sighted user has perfect use of websites so anything falling short of that for the JAWS user indicates a problem with the program.
It may or may not; and the issue for the developers of JAWS is they are dealing with a moving target not one that remains constant.
The marvel to me is that screen readers do as well as they do.
50 years ago I never dreamed of the access to info that I have today; then, it would have deemed unrealistic fantasy at best.
Mike Pietruk
Ashleigh
From what I can tell, JAWS seems to do an adequate job on most sites I
encounter.
Sure, improvements can always be there.
But, another question is how well is the average JAWS user familiar with
all of the capabilities of the program?
I'd suggest that if the average user was more familiar with all the tools
built into the program, their satisfaction rate would increase and their
frustration rate lessen.
This is as much a perception issue as anything.
Many users of JAWS (or any screen reader) believe that the average sighted
user has perfect use of websites so anything falling short of that for the
JAWS user indicates a problem with the program.
It may or may not; and the issue for the developers of JAWS is they are
dealing with a moving target not one that remains constant.
The marvel to me is that screen readers do as well as they do.
50 years ago I never dreamed of the access to info that I have today;
then, it would have deemed unrealistic fantasy at best.
From what I can tell, JAWS seems to do an adequate job on most sites I
encounter.
Sure, improvements can always be there.
But, another question is how well is the average JAWS user familiar with
all of the capabilities of the program?
I'd suggest that if the average user was more familiar with all the tools
built into the program, their satisfaction rate would increase and their
frustration rate lessen.
This is as much a perception issue as anything.
Many users of JAWS (or any screen reader) believe that the average sighted
user has perfect use of websites so anything falling short of that for the
JAWS user indicates a problem with the program.
It may or may not; and the issue for the developers of JAWS is they are
dealing with a moving target not one that remains constant.
The marvel to me is that screen readers do as well as they do.
50 years ago I never dreamed of the access to info that I have today;
then, it would have deemed unrealistic fantasy at best.
Ashleigh Piccinino
This is a research question, not one you should answer. This question, however, is one you should answer. How many of you, currently? , think. Jaws needs to improve on the websites you visit?
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Greetings:
You want to turn off the JAWS Detect Language feature. Go into the Settings Center by pressing JAWSKEY with 6 on the number row. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to get int Default Settings.
In the tree view, go to Text Processing, open the tree, then arrow down to Language Processing. Under that you should find Detect Languages.
Best wishes,
Curtis Chong
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I an trying to view a site on the internet.
jaws seems to be speaking with I think a German accent. Not sure if it is all English or what. Is there a way to get jaws to speak properly?
Ashleigh Piccinino
This is why I have the following question, Why are some websites inaccessible with jaws, and how to improve that?
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Greetings:
You want to turn off the JAWS Detect Language feature. Go into the Settings Center by pressing JAWSKEY with 6 on the number row. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to get int Default Settings.
In the tree view, go to Text Processing, open the tree, then arrow down to Language Processing. Under that you should find Detect Languages.
Best wishes,
Curtis Chong
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Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 8:30 PM
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Subject: jaws speaking funny on website
I an trying to view a site on the internet.
jaws seems to be speaking with I think a German accent. Not sure if it is all English or what. Is there a way to get jaws to speak properly?
Curtis Chong
Greetings:
You want to turn off the JAWS Detect Language feature. Go into the Settings Center by pressing JAWSKEY with 6 on the number row. Press CTRL+SHIFT+D to get int Default Settings.
In the tree view, go to Text Processing, open the tree, then arrow down to Language Processing. Under that you should find Detect Languages.
Best wishes,
Curtis Chong
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Subject: jaws speaking funny on website
I an trying to view a site on the internet.
jaws seems to be speaking with I think a German accent. Not sure if it is all English or what. Is there a way to get jaws to speak properly?
Bill White
Hi, Gery. Once your browser is open,
1. Press JAWS key plus six on the numbers row, to reach the JAWS Settings Center.
2. In the search box, type the word Language.
3. Arrow down to, Detect Language, and press the Space Bar until it says, off.
4. Tab to the OK button, and press Space to exit Settings Center.
5. Now, go back to
6. It should now speak in understandable English.
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Subject: jaws speaking funny on website
I an trying to view a site on the internet.
jaws seems to be speaking with I think a German accent. Not sure if it is all English or what. Is there a way to get jaws to speak properly?