From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2023 2:26 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: Taking, Saving, And Sending A Screen Shot

Taking a Screenshot Under Windows
has now been updated to include Zel Iscel's technique as a 4th one.  Take your pick from among the methods to suit yourself.  Methods 2 and 3 are the least complicated as far as the taking goes, but what you get for filenames is far from tidy.  That's the main reason I don't use those myself, as when I save screenshots I like to give a meaningful name as part of the process.  But if you just need a screenshot to send someone, and it's not being kept, then that's really not a consideration.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 10:50 AM, Dale Heltzer wrote:

Why not avoid all this and simply use the key combination Windows-Key+PrtScreen-Key  and use the .PNG file created in the Pictures Folder?

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I have no idea why one person chooses one option over another, but the option you refer to is covered in my tutorial.

But when people ask about option X, when options Y and Z have been presented (and I presume, digested), I choose to focus on answering the question about option X.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

Brian, I have just tried it out, and none of the options seems to perform the action by hitting either enter or space bar. I had to root the PC cursor to the Jaws cursor and then simulate the left click of the mouse. However, this worked only to capture the window option or the full screen option.  I’m using Windows 11 and Jaws 2023.

I don’t like that when you push windows key plus shift plus  s, Jaws doesn’t verbalize a thing, but anyways, it’s a just another option if one’s machine lacks of a print screen key.

Best,

Leo Bado

For those running Windows 11, could you please try the instructions Zel Iscel gave in message  #103639, to see if they work for you?  I've hit a small snag with them in that after I tab to choose my snip type, hitting Enter does not cause the actual screenshot to be taken and placed on the clipboard.  I must left click, and I mean literally left click, anywhere to make the Snipping Tool actually take the snapshot and place it on the clipboard.  It does not work with either Enter or Spacebar, either.  I have not tried emulated left click, as I wanted to determine whether this issue is idiosyncratic to my machine or is a change in how Snipping Tool is behaving between Windows 10, which is Zel's ecosystem, and Windows 11.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

For those running Windows 11, could you please try the instructions Zel Iscel gave in message  #103639, to see if they work for you?  I've hit a small snag with them in that after I tab to choose my snip type, hitting Enter does not cause the actual screenshot to be taken and placed on the clipboard.  I must left click, and I mean literally left click, anywhere to make the Snipping Tool actually take the snapshot and place it on the clipboard.  It does not work with either Enter or Spacebar, either.  I have not tried emulated left click, as I wanted to determine whether this issue is idiosyncratic to my machine or is a change in how Snipping Tool is behaving between Windows 10, which is Zel's ecosystem, and Windows 11.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

Why not avoid all this and simply use the key combination Windows-Key+PrtScreen-Key  and use the .PNG file created in the Pictures Folder?

Thanks, Brian.

And, I guess this just shows the importance of colaborating on a list like this.

If we all work together, we can often develop  sets of instructions that contain multiple ways of doing things from which we can all benefit.

I’ve clearly learned something, and can now continue to investigate the problem which was behind this whole quiry.

Tom Behler

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 10:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

When you are in the program from which you want the screen shot, hit the print screen command, and it will save that screen shot to your clipboard.

 

Then, go into Paint.

 

Once there, paste the screen shot into Paint, and then save it where you want it.

 

I assume you do this with the usual F12 save command.

 

Am I close?

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That's it, precisely!  And you've taught me something, as I've never triggered a Save dialog with F12, but generally use either CTRL + S or ALT + F, S.  This just goes to show that not only does Windows generally give more than one way of doing something, but that each of us finds the one that suits us best and uses it.
 
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

Thanks, Brian.

And, I guess this just shows the importance of colaborating on a list like this.

If we all work together, we can often develop  sets of instructions that contain multiple ways of doing things from which we can all benefit.

I’ve clearly learned something, and can now continue to investigate the problem which was behind this whole quiry.

Tom Behler

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 10:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

When you are in the program from which you want the screen shot, hit the print screen command, and it will save that screen shot to your clipboard.

 

Then, go into Paint.

 

Once there, paste the screen shot into Paint, and then save it where you want it.

 

I assume you do this with the usual F12 save command.

 

Am I close?

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That's it, precisely!  And you've taught me something, as I've never triggered a Save dialog with F12, but generally use either CTRL + S or ALT + F, S.  This just goes to show that not only does Windows generally give more than one way of doing something, but that each of us finds the one that suits us best and uses it.
 
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 10:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

When you are in the program from which you want the screen shot, hit the print screen command, and it will save that screen shot to your clipboard.

 

Then, go into Paint.

 

Once there, paste the screen shot into Paint, and then save it where you want it.

 

I assume you do this with the usual F12 save command.

 

Am I close?

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That's it, precisely!  And you've taught me something, as I've never triggered a Save dialog with F12, but generally use either CTRL + S or ALT + F, S.  This just goes to show that not only does Windows generally give more than one way of doing something, but that each of us finds the one that suits us best and uses it.
 
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

Well, yes, sometimes there are different ways to do the same task in Windows. In this particular regard, however, since I’m in college and need to take dozens of screenshots every academic term, I just turned on the option save screenshots I capture in OneDrive. BTY, one can do the same in Dropbox, and probably in most cloud storage services. In this way, I just push down “print screen,”  and OneDrive automatically saves the screenshot in a subfolder inside the folder pictures, also called “screenshots,” lol, no way to get into the woods!

Best,

Leo Bado

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 10:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

When you are in the program from which you want the screen shot, hit the print screen command, and it will save that screen shot to your clipboard.

 

Then, go into Paint.

 

Once there, paste the screen shot into Paint, and then save it where you want it.

 

I assume you do this with the usual F12 save command.

 

Am I close?

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That's it, precisely!  And you've taught me something, as I've never triggered a Save dialog with F12, but generally use either CTRL + S or ALT + F, S.  This just goes to show that not only does Windows generally give more than one way of doing something, but that each of us finds the one that suits us best and uses it.
 
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 10:10 PM, Tom Behler wrote:

When you are in the program from which you want the screen shot, hit the print screen command, and it will save that screen shot to your clipboard.

 

Then, go into Paint.

 

Once there, paste the screen shot into Paint, and then save it where you want it.

 

I assume you do this with the usual F12 save command.

 

Am I close?

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That's it, precisely!  And you've taught me something, as I've never triggered a Save dialog with F12, but generally use either CTRL + S or ALT + F, S.  This just goes to show that not only does Windows generally give more than one way of doing something, but that each of us finds the one that suits us best and uses it.
 
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

I preface this with:  No offense taken.

This being said, the days of my doing explicit step-by-step instructions for very common Windows tasks are over, and have been for a while now.  In the case of these instructions, Paint is one of the most common simple image editing programs, and comes with Windows, which is why I chose it.  I do not presume I need to tell anyone here what the paste command is (CTRL + V) nor how to go about saving a file in a program, which is virtually the identical process for any Windows program you can name.  

I am not willing to presume that anyone I am dealing with is a complete Windows (and screen reader) neophyte unless they explicitly tell me they are.  There are basics, like knowing how to paste and save, that I presume each and every member of this group knows how to do, in any program, without explicit instruction.  And as JM noted, when it comes to Windows built-in programs that you may not use frequently, putting a few characters of the name in to Windows Search is almost certain to return it as the first thing.  It does for Paint.

If someone really needs additional help, I have shown repeatedly I am willing to give it.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

Hey Tom.

There isn’t really anything specifically “blind friendly” that you need to take into consideration”. Maybe you could just explain what you are having trouble understanding so someone could answer. As a totally blind person, the instructions seemed 100% clear to me, and they didn’t even use any sight-specific wordings.

To run paint, just hit the windows key and type “paint”, or type “mspaint” in the run dialogue box.

Brian:

I get the basic concept here, but these instructions don’t seem to be all that Jaws-friendly or blind-friendly to me.

For example, I’ve never used the “paint” program, even though it might be on this computer somewhere.

This is certainly a start, and I appreciate it.

Hopefully, you, or others, can provide a nice set of blind-friendly and Jaws-friendly step-by-step instructions that will work well with Windows 10 and Jaws 2023.

And, my additional hope is that others than just me will benefit from these instructions.

Once again, please don’t take this as negative in any way.

I’m just trying to get access to the most helpful info on this topic.

Thanks!

Tom Behler

Taking a Screenshot Under Windows

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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022

I preface this with:  No offense taken.

This being said, the days of my doing explicit step-by-step instructions for very common Windows tasks are over, and have been for a while now.  In the case of these instructions, Paint is one of the most common simple image editing programs, and comes with Windows, which is why I chose it.  I do not presume I need to tell anyone here what the paste command is (CTRL + V) nor how to go about saving a file in a program, which is virtually the identical process for any Windows program you can name.  

I am not willing to presume that anyone I am dealing with is a complete Windows (and screen reader) neophyte unless they explicitly tell me they are.  There are basics, like knowing how to paste and save, that I presume each and every member of this group knows how to do, in any program, without explicit instruction.  And as JM noted, when it comes to Windows built-in programs that you may not use frequently, putting a few characters of the name in to Windows Search is almost certain to return it as the first thing.  It does for Paint.

If someone really needs additional help, I have shown repeatedly I am willing to give it.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)  

It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.

     ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022