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Hey guys and gals!
Has anyone else ever experienced this problem with JAWS 2021 and Windows 10's main settings menus? A critical Windows Update seems to have made it so JAWS can't read the "Settings" window (The new fangled version of the "Control Panel") or even the start menu in Windows 10. Narrator reads them just fine. How do I make JAWS read these Windows without installing Windows updates? The reason I don't want to install Windows updates is because last time I did that, back in December last year with update 22h2, it slowed my machine waaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyy down, pretty much to a crawl, so yesterday, I had to completely reinstall Windows 10 with the Internet switched off so I could create a Local Administrator account. Worse still, the new updates made it so that I couldn't install any programs or run programs as an Administrator, as it made me sign in with my Microsoft Account instead of letting me create a local account.
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Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update. The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible. --
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
On 01/06/2023 12:47 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2023 at 04:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
- So? What on earth do you think this proves? You simply cannot fail to allow Windows to update, and it's utter foolishness to believe otherwise. The rare problem that comes with an update is way less troublesome than those that can, and routinely do, come from avoiding updates.
There really isn't a point to checking for updates and not installing them. . . It's important to install all available updates. I've been doing this since the days of DOS, and I still don't have the confidence to pick and choose among updates. There are just too many variables involved - and most people can't evaluate the full consequences of installing/not installing updates.
~ John Carrona, AKA usasma on BleepingComputer.com, http://www.carrona.org/
P.S.: Mr. Carrona is himself blind and is an expert on Windows, specifically, Blue Screens of Death (BSODs), their causes, and fixing those causes.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control
panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan
Morison wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
It was reading them fine before
Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10
update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a
Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have
triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it,
and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling
Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest
baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit,
Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version
16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s
not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads
to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being
trained to think critically and practicing this craft
daily as we look at the world around us that makes us
the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of
Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
On 01/07/2023 11:10 AM TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...> wrote:
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be
in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not
change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting
different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to
select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options
have a selection list that you can refine or choose different
options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your
selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main
list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine
your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected
that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is
better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan
Morison wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
Hey TJ!
By the way, I
know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio
Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene,
Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads
the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings
window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to
switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't
read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi
Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the
control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine
before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows
10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as
a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to
update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may
have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't
cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean
reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update
with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro,
64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016,
Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s
not lack of contact with the world off campus that
leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s
being trained to think critically and practicing
this craft daily as we look at the world around us
that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A.
Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is
the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
On 01/07/2023 11:45 AM TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...> wrote:
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d
viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options
that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the
letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start
menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows
10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan
Morison wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
What about the thing with the
start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi
Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will
be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not
change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down
selecting different options, similar to when in the control
panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab
to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options
have a selection list that you can refine or choose different
options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your
selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the
main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to
refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen
option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have
selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it
is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By
the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of
mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community
College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands
you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but
it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem
to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control
Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with
the Start Menu.
Hi
Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the
control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them
fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let
Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under
Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must
be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may
have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly
didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave"
by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal
time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro,
64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016,
Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the
world off campus that leads to the liberal views
common in academia — it’s being trained to think
critically and practicing this craft daily as we
look at the world around us that makes us the
libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A.
Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and
Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
On 01/07/2023 12:21 PM TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...> wrote:
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with
Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use
Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new
digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to
work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office,
email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the
Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel
and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers
(Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular
Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is
Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of
computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also
included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are
covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience
using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to
enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and
More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form
to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan
Morison wrote:
toggle quoted message
Show quoted text
I tried that, but all I hear is
"Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear
is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start",
I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi
Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using
Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example
3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options
that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the
letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the
start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu
in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken
by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the
start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with
Narrator.
Hi
Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you
will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do
not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down
selecting different options, similar to when in the
control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then
tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some
options have a selection list that you can refine or
choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on
your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other
options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from
the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to
refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen
option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have
selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying
it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
Hey
TJ!
By the way, I know
somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio
Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in
Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you
mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but
it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't
seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the
Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same
thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use
the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading
them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let
Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is
under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for
sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it
may have triggered a latent problem, it almost
certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a
"nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10
means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest
baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version
22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version
16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not
lack of contact with the world off campus
that leads to the liberal views common in
academia — it’s being trained to think
critically and practicing this craft daily
as we look at the world around us that makes
us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~
Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York
Times, Letters,
Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus
Isolated?, August 20,
2022
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Specifically, I'm trying to figure out what window type and code is the JAWS equivalent of a "Windows.UI.Core.CoreWindow".
On 01/07/2023 6:41 PM TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...> wrote:
Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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With all due respect,
The problems that you have previously expressed,
will be fixed by gaining a better understanding of how your screen
reader works with Windows,
not by trying to confused your issue with Window internal screen
names compared to Jaws internal screen equivalents.
However, I do hope you find what it is that you are looking for.
TJ
On 1/7/2023 9:55 PM, Annabelle Susan
Morison wrote:
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Show quoted text
Specifically, I'm trying to figure
out what window type and code is the JAWS equivalent of a
"Windows.UI.Core.CoreWindow".
Hi
Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws
with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to
use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a
new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator
users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office,
email clients, and web browsers. These applications include
the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook,
Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web
browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular
Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is
Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of
computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are
also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are
covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience
using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques
to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics
and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the
form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear
is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all
I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over
from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi
Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using
Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number,
example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu
options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with
the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the
start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start
menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well
spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle
Susan Morison wrote:
What
about the thing with the start menu not reading with
JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once,
you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if
you do not change it, you can cursor left and right,
up and down selecting different options, similar to
when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it,
then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some
options have a selection list that you can refine or
choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once
on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose
other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options
from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down
on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your
chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you
have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not
saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey
TJ!
By the way, I know somebody
named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio
Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College
in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands
you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just
fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window
that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft
have to switch out the Control Panel for something
that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start
Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still
use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM,
Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started
updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to
let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows
that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10
and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial.
While it may have triggered a latent problem, it
almost certainly didn't cause it, and your
having done a "nuke and pave" by clean
reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time
to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia,
USA - Windows 11
Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621;
Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188,
32-bit; Android 12
(MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of
contact with the world off campus that
leads to the liberal views common in
academia — it’s being trained to think
critically and practicing this craft
daily as we look at the world around us
that makes us the libs conservatives so
dislike.
~
Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New
York Times,
Letters, Tales of Town
and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August
20, 2022
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This is for Annabelle, but I don't know how to reply to her privately.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:41:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window
Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control
Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline
possible.
--
Brian - Virginia,
USA - Windows
11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily
as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New
York Times, Letters,
Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?,
August 20, 2022
|
|
|
Annabelle: if you would like to learn how to use jaws: please contact 417-331-2112. You can also get information from the jaws help topics.
Get Outlook for iOS
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:41:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window
Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control
Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline
possible.
--
Brian - Virginia,
USA - Windows
11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily
as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New
York Times, Letters,
Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?,
August 20, 2022
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I know how to use JAWS, as it reads most everything I navigate. For example, it reads the "Control Panel" in Windows 10 just fine, but the "Settings" window and "Start Menu" are no longer being recognized. They were recognized before, until a Windows update broke them.
On 01/08/2023 4:23 AM Ashleigh Piccinino <apiccinino@...> wrote:
Annabelle: if you would like to learn how to use jaws: please contact 417-331-2112. You can also get information from the jaws help topics.
Get Outlook for iOS
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:41:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window
Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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|
|
Hi, Have experienced the same before sometime back. Was able to navigate on the settings panel using n v d a without any trouble. so, my suggestion would be to check for the driver updates and also, check the check box from the jaws user settings which talks about read the start menu items and see if it works.
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annabelle Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window I know how to use JAWS, as it reads most everything I navigate. For example, it reads the "Control Panel" in Windows 10 just fine, but the "Settings" window and "Start Menu" are no longer being recognized. They were recognized before, until a Windows update broke them. Annabelle: if you would like to learn how to use jaws: please contact 417-331-2112. You can also get information from the jaws help topics.
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Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote: I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder? Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote: What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator. Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote: By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu. Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote: It was reading them fine before Windows started updating. Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
-- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13) It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike. ~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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How do you check for these drivers? I don't have any issues, but I'm just wondering.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of techsavi.shankar@... <techsavi.shankar@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:14:12 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window
Hi,
Have experienced the same before sometime back. Was able to navigate on the settings panel using n v d a without any trouble.
so, my suggestion would be to check for the driver updates and also, check the check box from the jaws user settings which talks about read the start menu items and see if it works.
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Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 7:42 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window
I know how to use JAWS, as it reads most everything I navigate. For example, it reads the "Control Panel" in Windows 10 just fine, but the "Settings" window
and "Start Menu" are no longer being recognized. They were recognized before, until a Windows update broke them.
Annabelle: if you would like to learn how to use jaws: please contact 417-331-2112. You can also get information from the jaws help topics.
Get
Outlook for iOS
Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start",
I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both
of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start
Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline
possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows
11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing
this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times,
Letters,
Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?,
August 20, 2022
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Have you consulted yet with Vispero Tech Support?
Cordially,
Curtis Chong
On Jan 8, 2023, at 7:11 AM, Annabelle Susan Morison <foristnights@...> wrote:
I know how to use JAWS, as it reads most everything I navigate. For example, it reads the "Control Panel" in Windows 10 just fine, but the "Settings" window and "Start Menu" are no longer being recognized. They were recognized before, until a Windows update broke them.
On 01/08/2023 4:23 AM Ashleigh Piccinino <apiccinino@...> wrote:
Annabelle: if you would like to learn how to use jaws: please contact 417-331-2112. You can also get information from the jaws help topics.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> on behalf of TJ McElroy gMail <mcelroy.tj@...>
Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2023 2:41:27 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io>
Subject: Re: JAWS Won't Read Windows 10 Settings Window
Hi Annabelle,
I think you should try and read a tutorial on how to use Jaws with Windows.
Here is a free tutorial that will cover the basics of how to use Jaws, NVDA and Narrator with Windows.
THE WINDOWS SCREEN READER PRIMER: ALL THE BASICS AND MORE
##
The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More is a new digital book to help JAWS, NVDA, and Windows Narrator users to work more effectively
with the most important PC applications-like Microsoft Office, email clients, and web browsers. These applications include the Windows operating system,
the four primary Office Suite applications (Word, Outlook, Excel and PowerPoint), and the three most commonly used web browsers (Google Chrome, Microsoft
Edge, and Mozilla Firefox). Dropbox and OneDrive, two popular Cloud-based file-sharing programs, are also covered. So too is Adobe Acrobat Reader for accessing
PDF files. A glossary with over 100 definitions of computer-related terms and a set of practice exercises are also included. The book is intended for both
beginners and intermediate users. While all the basics are covered, those already possessing a fair amount of experience using screen reader programs in
the Windows environment will find useful tools and techniques to enhance their skills further.
##
Thank you - The Carroll Center for the Blind
https://carroll.org/the-windows-screen-reader-primer/thank-you/
( once there look for the download link)
( Download The Windows Screen Reader Primer: All the Basics and More in Microsoft word format here )
( it is after the form data, you do not have to fill out the form to download the .zip file )
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 4:10 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
I tried that, but all I hear is "Search", (Type In Text)". Then when I arrow down, all I hear is "Start", (Type In Text). Then when I tab over from "Start", I hear nothing. What happened, I wonder?
Hi Annabelle,
I am not having any trouble accessing the start menu using Jaws.
Here is how I access the start menu:
Press the windows key, Jaws will say: search box edit
down arrow Jaws will say: All Apps ( mine says checked )
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
your most used apps example: Notepad, Thunderbird, Jaws
keep down arrowing Jaws will say
the first start menu option that begins with a number, example 3d viewer, 7-zip
once you have cursored down past all of the start menu options that begin with a number,
Jaws will start listing the menu options that begin with the letter, A
then the ones starting with the letter, B
and so on.
At this point I must apologize, I do not remember how the start menu was displayed in Windows 7, however the start menu in Windows 10 and Windows 11 are very usable and well spoken by Jaws.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:51 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
What about the thing with the start menu not reading with JAWS but reading with Narrator.
Hi Annabelle,
When accessing the setting menu using
windows + i
option, a search box first appears.
I rarely use the search box, instead if you tab once, you will be in a list view.
You may be able to change the list view, however if you do not change it, you can cursor left and right, up and down selecting different options, similar to when in the control panel.
When you find the option you want, hit enter on it, then tab to select the different settings.
#caveat: once you hit enter on a selected option, some options have a selection list that you can refine or choose different options.
navigate this list by cursoring up and down then once on your selected option, hit enter, then tab to choose other options.
an example would be choosing personalization options from the main list view.
this will bring up a list view to cursor up and down on to refine your personalization option,
hit enter on your choice then tab to choose your chosen option,
once you have tabbed to an option, hit enter and you have selected that option
again, it is similar to the control panel. I am not saying it is better,, but it is usable.
hth,
TJ
On 1/7/2023 2:20 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
Hey TJ!
By the way, I know somebody named TJ. He was a classmate of mine in Audio Engineering back in 2009 at Lane Community College in Eugene, Oregon. I use both of those commands you mentioned. JAWS reads the Control Panel just fine, but it's the new fangled Settings window that JAWS can't seem to read. Why did Microsoft have to switch out the Control Panel for something that JAWS can't read? Same thing with the Start Menu.
Hi Annabelle,
How are you accessing the setting options?
For instance, I usually use the:
windows key + I
to access the settings options, however I still use the control panel every now and then.
TJ
On 1/6/2023 4:25 PM, Annabelle Susan Morison wrote:
It was reading them fine before Windows started updating.
Regardless of these issues, you really need to let Windows 10 update. Any version of Windows that is under Windows as a Service, that is 10 and 11 for sure, must be allowed to update.
The 22H2 feature update was quite trivial. While it may have triggered a latent problem, it almost certainly didn't cause it, and your having done a "nuke and pave" by clean reinstalling Windows 10 means it's an ideal time to update with the cleanest baseline possible.
--
Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022
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On Sun, Jan 8, 2023 at 11:39 AM, Ashleigh Piccinino wrote:
How do you check for these drivers?
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There are three, and only three, "always safe" (as in no viruses, etc.) sources for driver updates:
1. Windows Update itself.
2. Your computer maker's support pages for your model, Software & Drivers section.
3. A specific hardware maker's (e.g., Intel) support pages, driver section for the device you're looking at.
If you have any off-the-shelf computer it has been a good idea for years now to use whatever "service station" software they provide that checks for driver updates direct from them and applies them. HP Support Assistant and Lenovo Vantage are two examples of such software.
If you happen to have any Intel components in your system, then having Intel Driver & Support Asssitant installed and running is important, too. For at least the last 5 years Intel has been churning out driver updates at a very, very fast pace and some of them don't seem to be being supplied to either the computer OEMs or Microsoft.
On any Windows machine running Windows 10 or later, when issues inexplicably present themselves “out of the blue” and with seemingly no reason, these are the two things I recommend doing, in order:
1. Using DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) and SFC (System File Checker) to Repair Windows 8.1, 10 & 11
2. Performing a Windows 10 or 11 Repair Install or Feature Update Using the Windows ISO file
If #1 fixes the issue, #2 is unnecessary.
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Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 11 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 22H2, Build 22621; Office 2016, Version 16.0.15726.20188, 32-bit; Android 12 (MIUI 13)
It’s not lack of contact with the world off campus that leads to the liberal views common in academia — it’s being trained to think critically and practicing this craft daily as we look at the world around us that makes us the libs conservatives so dislike.
~ Eliot A. Brenowitz, Seattle; New York Times, Letters, Tales of Town and Gown: Is the Campus Isolated?, August 20, 2022Th
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