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Moderated Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe Mode in Windows 10
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Mike,
Dave Durber's theory is pretty much what I would have said. I do know that using Safe Mode in the Boot Tab of MSCONFIG switches the General Tab from Normal startup to Selective startup "under the hood" and unchecking it afterward doesn't seem to undo that particular switch. And as you've noticed, Selective Startup with at least the first two checkboxes checked is behaviorially indistinguishable from Normal startup, in my experience. This really comes down to how you want to "undo" Safe Mode. I don't have the time to try it right now, but I do believe that choosing Normal startup in the General Tab will automatically uncheck Safe Mode if it is checked in the Boot Tab. I don't sit and play with MSCONFIG and its tab interactions frequently enough to have every eccentricity memorized. I've dealt with this often enough over years though to have seen Normal startup as the "out of the box" default. And that really makes perfect sense, as Normal startup is what you'd expect that default to be just based upon its name. I'm going to have to peek on my Windows 11 machine to see what MSCONFIG shows. I clean installed Windows 11 and know that since I did so I've never started that machine in Safe Mode. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Dave Durber
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Mike:
For me, I think all my systems are set to Selective
Startup because, I turn off a number of items during the installation, which
may, by default, set all my systems to start with selective startup,
under the General Tab in MsConfig, plus,
when the startup process has been completed, I go to Advanced Systems Settings,
Advanced Tab, Performance Settings, in there I change the setting to custom.
When I Apply the change, a lot of the visual options in Windows 10 are turned
off, which may be another reason why the Windows Selective option is
selected.
Dave
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Mike B.
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Hi Brian,
Out of curiosity, what is the difference between
Normal and Selective startup modes? Or should I ask, what makes one
computer use Normal startup and another computer use Selective
startup?
Both my Win10 & Win11 computers are set on Selective
startup and this is not a setting I changed from the Normal mode on purpose,
knowingly anyways.
Is this a setting that might change when you
alter what starts with the computer by default from the Startup tab in the
Task Manager?
Thanks much for your input.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 Selective was the default.- Mike, this is NEVER the default. Normal startup is the default. I'm not saying that someone may not have set up Selective as the default on a given machine, but no Windows system "ships" with anything other than Normal startup as the default (which "ships with" defines default). -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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By the way, Selective Startup with the first two boxes checked is analogous to Normal Startup. If you do ever do a Safe Mode boot that will automatically switch Normal Startup in the General Tab to Selective (and that part will stick unless you switch it back, and many people don't).
Essentially, you can uncheck Safe Mode on the Boot tab and the "correct" selective settings will remain on the General Tab, or you can activate the Normal startup radio button on the General tab and that disables the Safe Mode checkbox on the Boot tab. There are underlying connections between these two tabs. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Mike B.
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Hi Brian,
Yes, you're correct and I should have stated that , *my*,
default startup setting for this computer was the Selective startup setting.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 Selective was the default.- Mike, this is NEVER the default. Normal startup is the default. I'm not saying that someone may not have set up Selective as the default on a given machine, but no Windows system "ships" with anything other than Normal startup as the default (which "ships with" defines default). -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 01:43 PM, Mike B. wrote:
Selective was the default.- Mike, this is NEVER the default. Normal startup is the default. I'm not saying that someone may not have set up Selective as the default on a given machine, but no Windows system "ships" with anything other than Normal startup as the default (which "ships with" defines default). -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Mike B.
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I would check the General tab and make sure the Selective
start is still selected to be on the safe side. I once started my computer
with the Normal mode selected to see what would happen and Jaws didn't staart
when the computer rebooted but, luckily I knew what I had done and was able to
reverse the setting from Normal to Selective startup, reboot and be back on my
way. But, this wasn't after being in Safe mode, this was just me being
curious and wanting to know what would happen if I started in Normal mode when
Selective was the default.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 Mike:
Likewise, in the normal Windows state, on the
General tab in MSConfig, the setting is set to Selective Startup. Does that
mean, before I exit Windows 10 in Safe Mode With Networking, in addition to
unchecking the Safe Mode option, I need to make sure the setting in the
General tab is set to Selective Startup, before I restart the system or, should
Windows remember what the setting was, before setting Windows to boot into Safe
Mode?
Dave
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Dave Durber
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Mike:
Likewise, in the normal Windows state, on the
General tab in MSConfig, the setting is set to Selective Startup. Does that
mean, before I exit Windows 10 in Safe Mode With Networking, in addition to
unchecking the Safe Mode option, I need to make sure the setting in the
General tab is set to Selective Startup, before I restart the system or, should
Windows remember what the setting was, before setting Windows to boot into Safe
Mode?
Dave
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K0LNY
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Well it is handy if a person is between computers
if their computer breaks down, and they don't want to get behind on eMails, or
if they need to get on-line for something.
Thunderbird has a stand alone installer, and I
think FireFox may to.
I believe Brave has one too.
Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 11:57 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 Seems like WinPE idles out after a couple days,- WinPE (Windows Preinstallation Environment) was never intended for general purpose use, but is for diagnostics and recovery, so that's not surprising to me. It also doesn't have most of the features and programs that we all rely on under Windows in general. It is a purpose-built tool. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
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Dave Durber
Glenn:
That is what I did. Presumably, wwhen you uncheck
the Safe Mode option, it automatically turns off the Network option as
well.
Dave
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On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 12:50 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
Seems like WinPE idles out after a couple days,- WinPE (Windows Preinstallation Environment) was never intended for general purpose use, but is for diagnostics and recovery, so that's not surprising to me. It also doesn't have most of the features and programs that we all rely on under Windows in general. It is a purpose-built tool. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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K0LNY
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Yeah, I've never needed to go in with safe mode in
10, so I figured I'd just check that if I need to.
But, usually if I'm doing a system repair, I don't
need networking.
BTW, the WinPE that Carlos made, the one with
eSpeak, has a network icon on the desktop, so if you had a stand alone browser
and a stand alone eMail, you could use that WinPE to be your regular operating
system.
Seems like WinPE idles out after a couple days, so
you cannot keep it operating without a reboot 24/7.
Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 I don't know if you have to check networking every time you check safe mode, or if it keeps your last setting.- That depends on whether you've checked another checkbox on this same tab that says something like "retain the selected settings" or not. I never retain them, so I always make the choice each time. That checkbox is standalone and comes after the Safe Mode checkbox and radio button set. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 12:23 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
I don't know if you have to check networking every time you check safe mode, or if it keeps your last setting.- That depends on whether you've checked another checkbox on this same tab that says something like "retain the selected settings" or not. I never retain them, so I always make the choice each time. That checkbox is standalone and comes after the Safe Mode checkbox and radio button set. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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K0LNY
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Annabelle,
It is just audio, so whatever uses the sound card
can then work in safe mode, it means you can play audio files in safe mode
too.
Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: Annabelle
Susan Morison
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 I
wonder, will this file of Sound in Safe Mode let JAWS run in there? Or is it
just for Narrator and NVDA?
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K0LNY
Hi Dave,
You might have read the answer to that already, but
if not, then I'll add that you have to uncheck safe mode to boot to
normal.
I don't know if you have to check networking every
time you check safe mode, or if it keeps your last setting.
Glenn ----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Durber
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 Glenn:
Once I have finished doing what I need to do in
Safe Mode, and I need to return my Windows 10 system back to standard Windows
mode, do I need to uncheck the Network option firsdt, then uncheck the Safe Mode
option or, does unchecking the Safe Mode option, automatically disable the
Network option at the same time?
Dave
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Mike B.
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Hi Dave,
In msconfig on the, General tab, my Windows10 system is
set on, Selective, startup so, make sure you check your General tab setting so
you know what to go back to after you're done in safe Mode.
Take care. Mike. Sent from my iBarstool. ----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2022 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Sound settings do not appear to be turned on in Safe
Mode in Windows 10 Once I have finished doing what I need to do in Safe Mode, and I need to return my Windows 10 system back to standard Windows mode- I repeat: Remember that after you've done the boot into Safe Mode with Networking, you have to invoke MSCONFIG while you're in Safe mode and activate the Normal startup radio button in the General Tab in order to get the computer back to booting typically. Otherwise you end up booting into Safe Mode (with Networking) repeatedly until you do so. The registry edits have nothing whatsoever with making the machine boot into safe mode, they just make it possible to have sound while in safe mode. It's the choice on the MSCONFIG General tab that indicates the system startup type. And when you've changed the bits on the Boot tab to have Safe Mode at boot, the radio button on the general tab is automatically switched to the third radio button, "Selective Startup", with it's first two checkboxes checked. (And it stays that way unless you reactivate the Normal startup radio button). -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build
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Annabelle Susan Morison
I wonder, will this file of Sound in Safe Mode let JAWS run in there? Or is it just for Narrator and NVDA?
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On Sun, Oct 16, 2022 at 10:56 AM, Dave Durber wrote:
Once I have finished doing what I need to do in Safe Mode, and I need to return my Windows 10 system back to standard Windows mode- I repeat: Remember that after you've done the boot into Safe Mode with Networking, you have to invoke MSCONFIG while you're in Safe mode and activate the Normal startup radio button in the General Tab in order to get the computer back to booting typically. Otherwise you end up booting into Safe Mode (with Networking) repeatedly until you do so. The registry edits have nothing whatsoever with making the machine boot into safe mode, they just make it possible to have sound while in safe mode. It's the choice on the MSCONFIG General tab that indicates the system startup type. And when you've changed the bits on the Boot tab to have Safe Mode at boot, the radio button on the general tab is automatically switched to the third radio button, "Selective Startup", with it's first two checkboxes checked. (And it stays that way unless you reactivate the Normal startup radio button). -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Dave Durber
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Brian:
The link you posted in your last message, will work
if you click on it within the message. However, because the link does not
display the entire URL to the downloadable .zip file, it will not work if you
try to launch the link outside an email client or, directly from an email web
sight, such as GMail. Willyou please post the entire URL, so it can be saved in
order for it to be used at a later time.
Thank you in anticipation.
Dave
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Dave Durber
Glenn:
Once I have finished doing what I need to do in
Safe Mode, and I need to return my Windows 10 system back to standard Windows
mode, do I need to uncheck the Network option firsdt, then uncheck the Safe Mode
option or, does unchecking the Safe Mode option, automatically disable the
Network option at the same time?
Dave
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