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As a quick aside, if you have a PDF that was created with text, or that's been OCR scanned and has an associated text layer, all of the more modern versions of Microsoft Word (2016 and later, possibly 2013, but I'm not sure about that one) can open PDF files and convert them to Word format.
If they're really mostly or entirely text, like articles, and not highly formatted with things like tables, that conversion to Word is generally quite good. I haven't played around enough with PDFs that have complex formatting like the use of tables, figures with alt text, etc., to know whether those would be handled gracefully or not. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Van Lant, Robin
I have experienced this a lot with PDFs, too, and I think also with web pages. My work around is to set a temporary placemarker before I leave the PDF. When I come back, I hit K and pick up right where I left off. I never really thought about saying it was a JAWS issue; I just took it at face value since there isn’t a physical cursor to come back to as in Word.
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Hi Patrick,
Yes we did go on a big tangent, apologies for that.
And yes, I also have that trouble with some PDF docs jumping to the beginning when I switch to another window or stop reading for a while. I wonder if it’s the way they’re designed as it doesn’t happen to me all the time.
There are a lot of accessibility elements that aren’t considered when designing a PDF document, such as the document order, tagging, etc. I wonder if this has anything to do with the behaviour of Jaws when reading a PDF document in Adobe Reader.
Cheers Zel
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Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
I agree with Jason that ABBYY is very good and accessible, the down side is the price tag. For Windows it is $99 a year and $69 for Mac. There is a perpetual license (at least for the Mac), but as upgrades come out you are left in the dark or pay for the upgrade.
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Jason White
On 12/10/22 06:02, Zel Iscel wrote:
I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too.I've found ABBYY FineReader to be very good at processing PDF files containing images of pages, such as old journal papers. The OCR accuracy and format recognition are both impressive. |
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Zel Iscel
Hi Patrick,
Yes we did go on a big tangent, apologies for that.
And yes, I also have that trouble with some PDF docs jumping to the beginning when I switch to another window or stop reading for a while. I wonder if it’s the way they’re designed as it doesn’t happen to me all the time.
There are a lot of accessibility elements that aren’t considered when designing a PDF document, such as the document order, tagging, etc. I wonder if this has anything to do with the behaviour of Jaws when reading a PDF document in Adobe Reader.
Cheers Zel
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Patrick Murphy
hi,
thanks to you all for the replies. my problems are not with ocr, or anything like that. to put it simply, i have to use adobe pdf reader, latest version. i am quite happy with it. the problem is that it keeps jumping back to the top of the page. if i leave it for a minute or so after opening a document, its is ok. i am using jaws 2021. anyone else who looks at it, can scroll up and down no problem. its a jaws problem as usual!! as suggested in an earlier post, i did set the reading from top to bottom, and from left to right. this made no difference. these documents are being sent out to other people, and are being encrypted with a program called pdf-encrypt. this program is free. regardless, whether they are encrypted or not, the same problem exists. i have to assume, that people reading them only have pdf reader. as a result, using other programs etc, is not an option. i feel, as the topic starter, that we have wandered off on a tangent here with ocr, other programs etc. please dont think that i am ungreatful, i appreciate everyone's help. i just need to bring this discussion back to the original question which is why does pdf reader keep jumping back to the top of a document. regards and thanks, patrick |
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Rahul Bajaj
Hi, After years of frustration with Adobe, I keep its use at a minimum now. My default PDF reader is a free blindness-specific app called Bookworm. I don't want to jinx it, but it works rather well. And for tables in PDFs, I still use Adobe. For OCR-ing PDFs that are image-based, I use ABBYY Fine Reader 14. Rahul On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 07:31 AM, Jim Weiss wrote: --
-- Rahul Bajaj Attorney, Ira Law Senior Associate Fellow, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy Rhodes Scholar (India and Linacre 2018), University of Oxford Co-Founder, Mission Accessibility Special Correspondent on the rights of persons with disabilities, Oxford Human Rights Hub Coordinator of the working group on accessibility, e-Committee, Supreme Court of India |
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On Sat, Oct 15, 2022 at 07:31 AM, Jim Weiss wrote:
It appears that the “Editor” version is the only supported version now, the “Viewer” version is deprecated and last updated in June 2018.- Yes, it's deprecated, but it still downloadable and works and since there's nothing "cyber-connected" about it, I still use it and recommend it. They've been calling it "discontinued" for heading in to 5 years now, but it's actually gotten an update or two during that period. I do not use PDF-XChange Editor, which is what they replaced it with and for which there is a free and a paid version. Accessibility may have gotten better under Editor, but it wasn't in 2018 and 2019. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Jim Weiss <jimweiss72@...>
Brian,
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It appears that the “Editor” version is the only supported version now, the “Viewer” version is deprecated and last updated in June 2018. I have lobbed an email to their sales team since the website is not overly clear if you can use the software for free for a period of time or with limited functionality. There is a “download for free” link and right next to it is the “buy now” link. Jim Weiss “Kindness is a Language which the deaf can hear and the blind can see.” - Mark Twain
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Van Lant, Robin
Thanks, Brian. Thankfully, I do have Kurzweil on my laptops and I don’t think I want to tackle asking to have another converter added to my work laptop. Typically a rough OCR scan is sufficient to get my head around documents for work. I use Kurzweil if I need tables and such in the PDF.
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John Covici
I find that just activating the menu for a second gives me the reader
dialog pretty quickly. On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:03:22 -0400, Van Lant, Robin via groups.io wrote: -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una covici@... |
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Robin,
You might want to consider another option: Using Tracker Software’s PDF-Xchange Viewer to OCR Process Image Scanned PDFs I only wish PDF-Xchange Viewer were completely accessible but, alas, it's not, but it's perfectly accessible for this purpose, and very fast for short (read, under 50 pages) documents. I've used it to process documents of several hundred pages that were originally imaged scanned, and its OCR accuracy is very, very good. I've had clients who wanted to OCR in languages other than English, Spanish, German, and French (the default four that "come with") and they have language packs available at no cost for something like 25 or 30 languages. In any case, the advantage being that the text layer gets saved with the PDF if you follow that tutorial (Disclosure: I wrote it) and then, if you so choose, you can open that PDF in any of the versions of Word from 2013 and later and have the text come right in. I'm not a huge fan of the OCR features of any of the screen readers except for "quick and dirty" use on the fly. Dedicated tools work better, in my experience, and even though it's a bit more tedious it's a "one and done" affair for any given PDF file. This all started when I had a couple of clients who were graduate students who were constantly being handed old image-scanned PDFs as part of their course reading. I suggested to them that after doing the above, they send the resulting OCRed file back to their professor and ask that it be used going forward so that no other blind student will need to do what they did again. Most were pretty good about having the original image-scanned files in their course archives replaced by the OCRed versions when those were supplied to them. -- Brian - Virginia, USA - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy. ~ H.L. Mencken, AKA The Sage of Baltimore |
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Van Lant, Robin
Bill, I'm eager to try your trick. I've been going to the edit menu to select accessibility options there, but that can still be really slow. I'm guessing that Adobe is still processing the file in the background, so it's just not ready to give me accessibility options, but the wait seems ridiculously long.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 11:40 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. Hi, Zel. A trick I found when Adobe doesn't want to open a document when using a screen reader. 1. Set Adobe Acrobat DC as your default pdf reader. 2. Press ENTER on the pdf file you want to open. 3. Press CONTROL plus K to open Adobe Preferences. 4. Press ESCAPE to close Adobe Preferences. 5. Now the dialog should come up asking how you want to read the pdf document (left to right reading order etc. 6. TAB to the Start button, and press ENTER. The document should now be rendered in accessible form, or if empty, give you the option to OCR scan with JAWS. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at all. So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF files in these browsers. So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them in Adobe Acrobat. I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via groups.io Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that, once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Hi there, I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too. The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me. Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Patrick I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle. The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program. And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file. KeyCorp Public KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. prohibits the use of texts or other unapproved messaging applications for business purposes. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. 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Van Lant, Robin
Like you, Zel, I'm finding it takes a really long time for the accessibility options dialog to appear in newly opened pdfs in Adobe. At my company, I tried to set my default to Adobe for PDFs, but some of our HR files still open in Edge. When needed, I now save the PDF file to my documents folder and select the convenient OCR option from the context menu. JAWS Will then OCR the file without ever having to actually open the file in a browser or Adobe. I find this vastly faster than waiting for adobe to process the file, only to then tell me that I have to use convenient OCR on it.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 10:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. WARNING: This email originated externally. Exercise caution. Think before clicking links or opening attachments. Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at all. So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF files in these browsers. So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them in Adobe Acrobat. I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via groups.io Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that, once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Hi there, I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too. The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me. Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Patrick I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle. The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program. And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file. KeyCorp Public KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. prohibits the use of texts or other unapproved messaging applications for business purposes. This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost as a result of any transmission errors. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. This communication is for informational purposes only, is not an offer, solicitation, recommendation or commitment for any transaction or to buy or sell any security or other financial product, and is not intended as investment advice or as a confirmation of any transaction. Any market price, indicative value, estimate, view, opinion, data or other information herein is not warranted as to completeness or accuracy, is subject to change without notice, and KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. accepts no liability for its use or to update or keep it current. Any views or opinions are those of the individual sender, not necessarily of KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. The sender of this communication is a licensed securities representative employed by or associated with KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Member FINRA/SIPC and may also represent KeyBank National Association (“KeyBank N.A.”). Securities products and services are offered by KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc. Banking products and services are offered by KeyBank N.A. 127 Public Square, Cleveland, OH 44114 If you prefer not to receive future e-mail offers for products or services from Key send an e-mail to DNERequests@... with 'No Promotional E-mails' in the SUBJECT line. |
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Bill White
Hi, Zel. A trick I found when Adobe doesn't want to open a document when
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using a screen reader. 1. Set Adobe Acrobat DC as your default pdf reader. 2. Press ENTER on the pdf file you want to open. 3. Press CONTROL plus K to open Adobe Preferences. 4. Press ESCAPE to close Adobe Preferences. 5. Now the dialog should come up asking how you want to read the pdf document (left to right reading order etc. 6. TAB to the Start button, and press ENTER. The document should now be rendered in accessible form, or if empty, give you the option to OCR scan with JAWS. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2022 9:01 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at all. So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF files in these browsers. So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them in Adobe Acrobat. I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via groups.io Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that, once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Hi there, I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too. The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me. Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Patrick I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle. The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program. And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file. |
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Zel Iscel
Bill, the issue for me is that Acrobat Reader is now really slow to respond when opening a file with a screen reader, and sometimes it doesn't work at all.
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So, it's better to use Chrome or Edge, but you can't run OCR scans on PDF files in these browsers. So no problem if you don't need the document to be scanned, but very difficult now to use Acrobat Reader to perform an OCR scan, and as it is at the moment, you can only perform an OCR scan on PDF files if you open them in Adobe Acrobat. I hope the issue I'm raising is now clear. Cheers Zel -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill White via groups.io Sent: Thursday, 13 October 2022 1:17 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that, once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Hi there, I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too. The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me. Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Patrick I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle. The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program. And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file. |
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Bill White
I'm not saying that the Acrobat Reader isn't good. What I am saying is that,
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once OCR is finished, select everything, copy it to the clipboard, then copy it into a word processor, so you don't have to use Acrobat Reader to read your document, only to scan it and turn it into text. Bill White billwhite92701@... -----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Zel Iscel Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2022 3:02 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Hi there, I'm having a lot of problems with Acrobat Reader too. The issue for me is that I have to have OCR on a lot of the pdf docs that I have to read so the Acrobat Reader was good for me. Now Microsoft Edge does a good job of reading PDF docs created as text but I can't get OCR to recognise image files in Edge. Cheers Zel -----Original Message----- From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk via groups.io Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2022 3:58 PM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. Patrick I do the same as Bill; but use the text editor, Edsharp, as my reading vehicle. The point is to get out of Adobe as soon as possible and do your reading/viewing of the file outside of the pdf conversion program. And, I tend to save the text, if I wish to go back to it later, in a .txt or .rtf file. |
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Karen Reynolds
Hi Patrick, I have the same problem sometimes. I have found that changing the reading order to left to right top to bottom helps sometimes.
Karen
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Steve Nutt
Yep Chrome does as well.
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From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ann Byrne Sent: 12 October 2022 13:10 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents. To my surprise, I find that MS edge reads .pdf's better than Adobe, at least for me. At 01:57 AM 10/12/2022, you wrote: Hi, Patrick. I have this same trouble sometimes with pdf documents. |
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Steve Nutt
I don’t use Acrobat at all now, I prefer reading PDFs in Chrome.
All the best
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Curtis Chong
Sent: 12 October 2022 12:50 To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: jaws and pdf documents.
Hello:
I find that setting the reading options to read from left to right instead works better for me. Give that a try.
Cordially,
Curtis Chong
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Patrick Murphy
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