Moderated Excel 2016
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John Doering
Hello: I have Office 2016 on my home computer running Windows 10 with all updates and JAWS 2022 with all updates. When trying to do formulas/functions in Excel, I do not get the drop down choices to arrow to like I get with Office 360 on my work computer. Does anyone know if I need to change a setting in Excel 2016 or are the drop downs not available in the 2016 version? Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
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Van Lant, Robin
There is a setting for this. I think it’s under File / Options / Formulas.
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Hello: I have Office 2016 on my home computer running Windows 10 with all updates and JAWS 2022 with all updates. When trying to do formulas/functions in Excel, I do not get the drop down choices to arrow to like I get with Office 360 on my work computer. Does anyone know if I need to change a setting in Excel 2016 or are the drop downs not available in the 2016 version? Any advice would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance,
John Doering
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
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Robin,
It's probably the formula autocomplete checkbox. I didn't know, until I just checked, that this feature can be toggled on/off while editing formulas by hitting ALT + Down Arrow. It is ON by default, and I'll bet at one point an ALT + Down Arrow was hit during a formula editing that toggled it off. -- Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044 Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t. |
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Van Lant, Robin
Wow, had no idea it could toggle! I don’t normally pay attention to it, so I turned it off in the Options, but I could see using it sometime. I was on an Excel class a couple weeks ago and the teacher was telling people to follow the prompts to fill in the formulas. I forgot to ask him where that was visually on the screen to see if I could get JAWS to read it. I’ll ask one of my fellow classmates. I learned that hitting tab after starting to type a formula will populate the function name and the opening parenthesis. I love Excel classes for learning new tricks, but it’s hit or miss as to how much is presented visually that I have to find alternate options to use.
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John Doering
Brian and Robin: I was not able to get either of your suggestions to work. Alt down arrow while in a formula after hitting F2 or while trying to create a formula, does not seem to toggle what I need. I also could not find the formula auto complete. Could either of you please give me step by step to find the formula auto complete check box?
Thanks,
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Chris Chaffin
Ok, hopefully this might help. Auto Formula complete will only work if the setting, Allow editing directly in cells, is turned on. So here is where to find both settings. Turn on / off Auto Formula complete (check if turned on). Go to File, Options, then in the list, arrow down to formulas. Then tab about 5 or 6 times until you get to the auto complete check box. Again, needs to be checked. Next, turn on allow editing directly in cells. Go to file, options, and in the list arrow down to advanced. Then tab about 6 or 7 times until you hear, allow editing directly in cells checkbox. Again, this must be turned on in order for the auto formula complete to work. I have tested this on my system, and if both of these settings are on, then it works just fine. Hope this helps. Chris On Aug 15, 2022, at 8:13 AM, John Doering <john.doering@...> wrote:
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John Doering
Chris: Did as you indicated below. Still no Joy, but thanks for the help.
Regards,
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Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 8:29 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel 2016
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Ok, hopefully this might help.
Auto Formula complete will only work if the setting, Allow editing directly in cells, is turned on. So here is where to find both settings.
Turn on / off Auto Formula complete (check if turned on). Go to File, Options, then in the list, arrow down to formulas. Then tab about 5 or 6 times until you get to the auto complete check box. Again, needs to be checked.
Next, turn on allow editing directly in cells. Go to file, options, and in the list arrow down to advanced. Then tab about 6 or 7 times until you hear, allow editing directly in cells checkbox. Again, this must be turned on in order for the auto formula complete to work.
I have tested this on my system, and if both of these settings are on, then it works just fine.
Hope this helps.
Chris
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Van Lant, Robin
John, I’ve not used this feature in the past, but I’m really curious now and exploring it with you. So, here are my observations from playing around. It seems that the driving factor of whether this works is if you have the setting to allow editing in cells turned on or off. Recall that that is under Options in the Advance category. That needs to be turned on.
From my testing, Brian is right that the alt down arrow is a toggle for the setting to have formula autocomplete on., but I was misunderstanding how it worked. I wonder if this is the issue you are having, too. Whether I have the checkbox on the Options menu for formula autocomplete turned on or if it’s off an i use the alt down arrow, I only get results if I type a letter after the equals sign. So, even if the formula autocomplete is turned on and I only type an equals sign in the cell, nothing happens and the cell until I type a single letter, at which point it suggests functions with that letter. If you hear JAWS say a suggestion, you can arrow down through the options, If you don’t hear JAWS read out an option, you’ll need to do the alt down arrow, just like you would with a combo box. Then you can arrow through the list of suggestions and hit enter on the one you want.
Disappointedly, I don’t think there is a way to read the tag that shows the syntax for the formula. I’d like to figure out of there are options for that.
An alternative, especially for common functions or ones you don’t know is to type the equals sign, then hit Alt F3. This puts you in the formula bar and, if you hit alt down arrow, you get a list of common functions. Hitting enter one of these opens a dialog box for arguments. Further in the list is a More button you can use to search for functions alphabetically or with keywords.
The other trick I learned recently was to type the equals sign then a couple letters of the function you want then hit tab, which autocomplete the function and enters the opening parenthesis. I suppose that works only if you are doing a function like vlookup or xlookup that is more unique that, say, a count function that could end multiple ways.
Using Windows 10, JAWS 2022, Office 365. Robin Van Lant
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Randy Meyer
I will add to this discussion how I work with formulas in Excel.
I use a lot of financial formulas,: present value (pv), future value (fv), and similar formulas. I know the starting point for each formula.
For example if I want to figure out a present value. When in the cell where I want the formula, I press equals followed by pv, then I generate the rest of the formula by pressing control-shift-a and press enter, which puts me down one cell. I arrow back up to the cell I am placing the formula in, ignore the error message regarding the formula and press f2 to edit the formula. In this case it allows me to edit the following: =pv(rate,nper,pmt,fv,type). I then fill in my numbers and delete the words, for example 4% where it says rate and I delete rate. Since I know these formulas, I repeat the inserting of numbers or cell references, leaving the commas and deleting the words.
This works well for me when using formulas I am familiar with.
I look forward to trying some of the suggestions in this thread. I don’t know if what I shared above will be helpful to anyone, but I thought I would share it.
Randy Meyer
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John, I’ve not used this feature in the past, but I’m really curious now and exploring it with you. So, here are my observations from playing around. It seems that the driving factor of whether this works is if you have the setting to allow editing in cells turned on or off. Recall that that is under Options in the Advance category. That needs to be turned on.
From my testing, Brian is right that the alt down arrow is a toggle for the setting to have formula autocomplete on., but I was misunderstanding how it worked. I wonder if this is the issue you are having, too. Whether I have the checkbox on the Options menu for formula autocomplete turned on or if it’s off an i use the alt down arrow, I only get results if I type a letter after the equals sign. So, even if the formula autocomplete is turned on and I only type an equals sign in the cell, nothing happens and the cell until I type a single letter, at which point it suggests functions with that letter. If you hear JAWS say a suggestion, you can arrow down through the options, If you don’t hear JAWS read out an option, you’ll need to do the alt down arrow, just like you would with a combo box. Then you can arrow through the list of suggestions and hit enter on the one you want.
Disappointedly, I don’t think there is a way to read the tag that shows the syntax for the formula. I’d like to figure out of there are options for that.
An alternative, especially for common functions or ones you don’t know is to type the equals sign, then hit Alt F3. This puts you in the formula bar and, if you hit alt down arrow, you get a list of common functions. Hitting enter one of these opens a dialog box for arguments. Further in the list is a More button you can use to search for functions alphabetically or with keywords.
The other trick I learned recently was to type the equals sign then a couple letters of the function you want then hit tab, which autocomplete the function and enters the opening parenthesis. I suppose that works only if you are doing a function like vlookup or xlookup that is more unique that, say, a count function that could end multiple ways.
Using Windows 10, JAWS 2022, Office 365. Robin Van Lant
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John Doering
Robin: Tried your suggestions and still no joy. It seems you are using Office 360. I am using Office 2016. Maybe I need to call the MS Accessibility line to see if Office 2016 offers the drop down choices when setting up formulas/functions. Thanks for your help.
Regards,
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Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2022 11:12 AM To: main@jfw.groups.io Subject: Re: Excel 2016
External Message - Use caution when opening links or attachments John, I’ve not used this feature in the past, but I’m really curious now and exploring it with you. So, here are my observations from playing around. It seems that the driving factor of whether this works is if you have the setting to allow editing in cells turned on or off. Recall that that is under Options in the Advance category. That needs to be turned on.
From my testing, Brian is right that the alt down arrow is a toggle for the setting to have formula autocomplete on., but I was misunderstanding how it worked. I wonder if this is the issue you are having, too. Whether I have the checkbox on the Options menu for formula autocomplete turned on or if it’s off an i use the alt down arrow, I only get results if I type a letter after the equals sign. So, even if the formula autocomplete is turned on and I only type an equals sign in the cell, nothing happens and the cell until I type a single letter, at which point it suggests functions with that letter. If you hear JAWS say a suggestion, you can arrow down through the options, If you don’t hear JAWS read out an option, you’ll need to do the alt down arrow, just like you would with a combo box. Then you can arrow through the list of suggestions and hit enter on the one you want.
Disappointedly, I don’t think there is a way to read the tag that shows the syntax for the formula. I’d like to figure out of there are options for that.
An alternative, especially for common functions or ones you don’t know is to type the equals sign, then hit Alt F3. This puts you in the formula bar and, if you hit alt down arrow, you get a list of common functions. Hitting enter one of these opens a dialog box for arguments. Further in the list is a More button you can use to search for functions alphabetically or with keywords.
The other trick I learned recently was to type the equals sign then a couple letters of the function you want then hit tab, which autocomplete the function and enters the opening parenthesis. I suppose that works only if you are doing a function like vlookup or xlookup that is more unique that, say, a count function that could end multiple ways.
Using Windows 10, JAWS 2022, Office 365. Robin Van Lant
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Van Lant, Robin
Office 2016 is such a modern choice and I can’t imagine it’s that different, but I do think it’s time for you to call them.
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Robin: Tried your suggestions and still no joy. It seems you are using Office 360. I am using Office 2016. Maybe I need to call the MS Accessibility line to see if Office 2016 offers the drop down choices when setting up formulas/functions. Thanks for your help.
Regards,
John Doering
Office: 4147783040 Extn:4063
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External Message - Use caution when opening links or attachments John, I’ve not used this feature in the past, but I’m really curious now and exploring it with you. So, here are my observations from playing around. It seems that the driving factor of whether this works is if you have the setting to allow editing in cells turned on or off. Recall that that is under Options in the Advance category. That needs to be turned on.
From my testing, Brian is right that the alt down arrow is a toggle for the setting to have formula autocomplete on., but I was misunderstanding how it worked. I wonder if this is the issue you are having, too. Whether I have the checkbox on the Options menu for formula autocomplete turned on or if it’s off an i use the alt down arrow, I only get results if I type a letter after the equals sign. So, even if the formula autocomplete is turned on and I only type an equals sign in the cell, nothing happens and the cell until I type a single letter, at which point it suggests functions with that letter. If you hear JAWS say a suggestion, you can arrow down through the options, If you don’t hear JAWS read out an option, you’ll need to do the alt down arrow, just like you would with a combo box. Then you can arrow through the list of suggestions and hit enter on the one you want.
Disappointedly, I don’t think there is a way to read the tag that shows the syntax for the formula. I’d like to figure out of there are options for that.
An alternative, especially for common functions or ones you don’t know is to type the equals sign, then hit Alt F3. This puts you in the formula bar and, if you hit alt down arrow, you get a list of common functions. Hitting enter one of these opens a dialog box for arguments. Further in the list is a More button you can use to search for functions alphabetically or with keywords.
The other trick I learned recently was to type the equals sign then a couple letters of the function you want then hit tab, which autocomplete the function and enters the opening parenthesis. I suppose that works only if you are doing a function like vlookup or xlookup that is more unique that, say, a count function that could end multiple ways.
Using Windows 10, JAWS 2022, Office 365. Robin Van Lant
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