moderated preforming a right click


JM Casey
 

Damn. Yeah, I thought the pyramid prank was funny in retrospect even though it was the cause of some posterior pain. No death involved. Certainly could have been a lot worse.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Howard Traxler
Sent: August 6, 2022 08:25 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

In high school I heard of a prank like that was played on a teacher in a study hall.  But it was the library spindle place on teacher's chair.  The teacher died.  We humans, of all ages, must learn to think before pranking.

 

On 8/6/2022 2:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yes, that’s all very true.

 

Funny story, though not related to tech at all—I ha a buddy in the fifth grade, back in the early 90s,  who, with another guy, did play a few pranks on me. I didn’t’ always take them well back in those days, to be fair. Well, I had these big plastic geometric polygon shapes in a bin somewhere in the classroom, which were used for tactile demonstration purposes. The pyramid rose to a very sharp point/apex. Well, these guys decided it would be fun to put the pyramid on my chair when I was away from the desk. I went to sit on the chair, and of course, right on top of the pyramid. The sharp point broke off when I sat on it, and you can guess where it went. That was quite a painful prank. Funny thing is, I never totally forgot about the prank, but I did forget who had done it. Years later, as in, early 2020, I actually reconnected with that guy, whom I hadn’t seen since 1993 or something. We went to a bar and had some drinks, and it turns out, we get on even better now than we did then. And he remembered the prank, and told me he still felt bad about it almost thirty years later, and insisted on paying for my pints. Now we hang out and play dungeons and dragons.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:

You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.

-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Justin Williams
 

Might be great for working with AIRA.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 2:11 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

I ran across that setting quite a while ago when I was just browsing the settings to see if there was anything new that I could make use of. I turned it on so that if I ever have sighted assistance, I don't have to remember to turn it on for them.

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 1:59 PM, JM Casey wrote:
It’s off by default, and I don’t think it has anything to do with
Windows 10 specifically (think it’s been in virtual options for a
while). But it’s an option in settings somewhere. It’s certainly very
helpful if you are using the computer with a sighted person looking at
what you’re doing.

I’ve forgotten the name of the setting but it’s somewhere int aht
virtual cursor lot.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 01:29 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 01:27 PM, Curtis Chong wrote:

Starting with Windows 10, JAWS does provide a visual indication as
to where the virtual cursor is moving on a web page. Great for
demonstrations, etc.

-
If you happen to know how that's turned on and off, I would very much
appreciate having that information.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall


Howard Traxler
 

In high school I heard of a prank like that was played on a teacher in a study hall.  But it was the library spindle place on teacher's chair.  The teacher died.  We humans, of all ages, must learn to think before pranking.


On 8/6/2022 2:41 PM, JM Casey wrote:

Yes, that’s all very true.

 

Funny story, though not related to tech at all—I ha a buddy in the fifth grade, back in the early 90s,  who, with another guy, did play a few pranks on me. I didn’t’ always take them well back in those days, to be fair. Well, I had these big plastic geometric polygon shapes in a bin somewhere in the classroom, which were used for tactile demonstration purposes. The pyramid rose to a very sharp point/apex. Well, these guys decided it would be fun to put the pyramid on my chair when I was away from the desk. I went to sit on the chair, and of course, right on top of the pyramid. The sharp point broke off when I sat on it, and you can guess where it went. That was quite a painful prank. Funny thing is, I never totally forgot about the prank, but I did forget who had done it. Years later, as in, early 2020, I actually reconnected with that guy, whom I hadn’t seen since 1993 or something. We went to a bar and had some drinks, and it turns out, we get on even better now than we did then. And he remembered the prank, and told me he still felt bad about it almost thirty years later, and insisted on paying for my pints. Now we hang out and play dungeons and dragons.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:

You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.

-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Nermin
 

Hi,


the virtual cursor was designed in such a way that all relevant info about a web page or web document gets analysed, parsed and then displayed so we can read it, from top to bottom, left to right - not sure how right to left rendering works, honestly - and if we want to interact with a form field, that can be done using forms mode, focus mode, or whatever terminology the different manufacturers use.


Maybe the name "cursor" is a bit misleading, but they wanted to give us a cursor where there was none in reality. A combo box, edit box, or most any element cannot be copied to the clipboard, manipulated like a text on the page you're viewing...


The PC cursor, on the other hand, can be anything from a text marker or indicator or might have landed on items in a list that sighted people would then be able to manipulate with a mouse, scroll wheel, or whatever there is.


The JAWS cursor is basically the mouse pointer, but imagine using the mouse pointer to select a list of files in file explorer, boy would that be tedious and inefficient as a blind user!


In essence, the rendered document is just a flat text representation informing us of buttons, graphics, edit boxes, checkboxes and so on. What we're actually using is a top to bottom rendition that does not have a lot to do with the visual representation.

Now, using tab, we can move among links, forms, and so forth, if the author of the document in question incorporated some kind of tab order. But even then, we are not actually moving the mouse nor any trackpad or using any visual movement method. That's why sighted people will tell me that they don't se x y z on the screen, cause the rendered representation and their visual page are not in sync. They might to have to use the scroll wheel to bring the part of the page I am reading into the foreground cause it does not fit on the whole screen.


Sometimes, using INSERT+ESCAPE will refresh the screen and update the position so they can follow along, but often this does not work as expected.

A lot of that stuff has changed over the years in such a way that a lot of dynamic content will be spoken as soon as we interact with things, one example are Q&A pages where the answer to a given question might show up without any refreshing upon activating the link.


Hope that was helpful.


Regards,

Nermin


Gene Warner
 

This thread has devolved into nonsense I'd rather not see so I am bowing out and muting it.

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 4:16 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Muahaha
Yeah, he was the one who brought it up, and I sid, “oh man, wow, that was you? Damn…wait, now I’m startign to remember that it was”..and he said that when he’d confessed to it back then I’d had such a disappointed look on my face. Poor guy never forgot all this time.
Back to computer-related pranks though, that kind of thing is like the stuff  lots of the guys were pulling in my computer science class. The teacher was particularly victimised, but everyone in the class was pretty much fair game as well. Some of the guys could be pretty mean, but most of them were harmless and fun. Only one or two of the guys would try to trick you into accidentally wiping one of the school’s hard disks or something like that.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Glenn / Lenny
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 04:03 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
He probably didn't want you to be taking a turn in buying, for fear you would finally get him back.
----- Original Message -----
*From:*JM Casey <mailto:jmcasey@...>
*To:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Sent:*Saturday, August 06, 2022 2:41 PM
*Subject:*Re: preforming a right click
Yes, that’s all very true.
Funny story, though not related to tech at all—I ha a buddy in the fifth grade, back in the early 90s,  who, with another guy, did play a few pranks on me. I didn’t’ always take them well back in those days, to be fair. Well, I had these big plastic geometric polygon shapes in a bin somewhere in the classroom, which were used for tactile demonstration purposes. The pyramid rose to a very sharp point/apex. Well, these guys decided it would be fun to put the pyramid on my chair when I was away from the desk. I went to sit on the chair, and of course, right on top of the pyramid. The sharp point broke off when I sat on it, and you can guess where it went. That was quite a painful prank. Funny thing is, I never totally forgot about the prank, but I did forget who had done it. Years later, as in, early 2020, I actually reconnected with that guy, whom I hadn’t seen since 1993 or something. We went to a bar and had some drinks, and it turns out, we get on even better now than we did then. And he remembered the prank, and told me he still felt bad about it almost thirty years later, and insisted on paying for my pints. Now we hang out and play dungeons and dragons.
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io> <main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 03:29 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io <mailto:main@jfw.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it
can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh
with you. Most people can take it.
-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .
Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.
Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.
But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


JM Casey
 

Muahaha

Yeah, he was the one who brought it up, and I sid, “oh man, wow, that was you? Damn…wait, now I’m startign to remember that it was”..and he said that when he’d confessed to it back then I’d had such a disappointed look on my face. Poor guy never forgot all this time.

 

Back to computer-related pranks though, that kind of thing is like the stuff  lots of the guys were pulling in my computer science class. The teacher was particularly victimised, but everyone in the class was pretty much fair game as well. Some of the guys could be pretty mean, but most of them were harmless and fun. Only one or two of the guys would try to trick you into accidentally wiping one of the school’s hard disks or something like that.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Glenn / Lenny
Sent: August 6, 2022 04:03 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

He probably didn't want you to be taking a turn in buying, for fear you would finally get him back.

 

----- Original Message -----

From: JM Casey

Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2022 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

Yes, that’s all very true.

 

Funny story, though not related to tech at all—I ha a buddy in the fifth grade, back in the early 90s,  who, with another guy, did play a few pranks on me. I didn’t’ always take them well back in those days, to be fair. Well, I had these big plastic geometric polygon shapes in a bin somewhere in the classroom, which were used for tactile demonstration purposes. The pyramid rose to a very sharp point/apex. Well, these guys decided it would be fun to put the pyramid on my chair when I was away from the desk. I went to sit on the chair, and of course, right on top of the pyramid. The sharp point broke off when I sat on it, and you can guess where it went. That was quite a painful prank. Funny thing is, I never totally forgot about the prank, but I did forget who had done it. Years later, as in, early 2020, I actually reconnected with that guy, whom I hadn’t seen since 1993 or something. We went to a bar and had some drinks, and it turns out, we get on even better now than we did then. And he remembered the prank, and told me he still felt bad about it almost thirty years later, and insisted on paying for my pints. Now we hang out and play dungeons and dragons.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:

You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.

-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


JM Casey
 

I'm sorry to hear that.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 04:10 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

That's why I don't like comedies.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:
One would hope not.
It doesn't always work and it's not always comfortable, but the basis of most comedy is making fun out of an individual or group. Not a punching bag, mind you -- that's different and yes, usually not called for.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Most people aren't victims of abuse.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

It's never fun for the person being laughed at.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some
of us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or
when they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the
default was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer
the case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker
changes them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall


























Gene Warner
 

That's why I don't like comedies.

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 3:50 PM, JM Casey wrote:
One would hope not.
It doesn't always work and it's not always comfortable, but the basis of most comedy is making fun out of an individual or group. Not a punching bag, mind you -- that's different and yes, usually not called for.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click
Most people aren't victims of abuse.
Gene...
On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

It's never fun for the person being laughed at.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some
of us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or
when they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the
default was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer
the case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker
changes them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall


















Gene Warner
 

Somebody else said that, because I don't think that it's ever funny.

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 3:58 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Gene. That's why I call out Brian. He consistently patronizes, condescends to, and criticizes people on lists, and, as you said, it's only funny the first time. After that, it's just rude and pointless.
Bill White
billwhite92701@...
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click
It's never fun for the person being laughed at.
Gene...
On 8/6/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall










K0LNY
 


He probably didn't want you to be taking a turn in buying, for fear you would finally get him back.
 

----- Original Message -----
From: JM Casey
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2022 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Yes, that’s all very true.

 

Funny story, though not related to tech at all—I ha a buddy in the fifth grade, back in the early 90s,  who, with another guy, did play a few pranks on me. I didn’t’ always take them well back in those days, to be fair. Well, I had these big plastic geometric polygon shapes in a bin somewhere in the classroom, which were used for tactile demonstration purposes. The pyramid rose to a very sharp point/apex. Well, these guys decided it would be fun to put the pyramid on my chair when I was away from the desk. I went to sit on the chair, and of course, right on top of the pyramid. The sharp point broke off when I sat on it, and you can guess where it went. That was quite a painful prank. Funny thing is, I never totally forgot about the prank, but I did forget who had done it. Years later, as in, early 2020, I actually reconnected with that guy, whom I hadn’t seen since 1993 or something. We went to a bar and had some drinks, and it turns out, we get on even better now than we did then. And he remembered the prank, and told me he still felt bad about it almost thirty years later, and insisted on paying for my pints. Now we hang out and play dungeons and dragons.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:

You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.

-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Bill White
 

Hi, Gene. That's why I call out Brian. He consistently patronizes, condescends to, and criticizes people on lists, and, as you said, it's only funny the first time. After that, it's just rude and pointless.

Bill White

billwhite92701@...

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 12:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

It's never fun for the person being laughed at.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some of
us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or when
they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the default
was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker changes
them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall










JM Casey
 

One would hope not.
It doesn't always work and it's not always comfortable, but the basis of most comedy is making fun out of an individual or group. Not a punching bag, mind you -- that's different and yes, usually not called for.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:40 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Most people aren't victims of abuse.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.


-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

It's never fun for the person being laughed at.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some
of us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or
when they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the
default was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer
the case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker
changes them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall


















Gene Warner
 

I wish you two would take this argument private and not pollute the list with it.

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 3:37 PM, Bill White wrote:
Hi, Brian. Your contributions also do not stand on their own, based upon the fact that you admit to not being an active JAWS user for quite some time. You, and we, would be better served if you would confine your contributions to an NVDA list, where you might contribute more up-to-date information.
Bill White
billwhite92701@... <mailto:billwhite92701@...>
*From:*main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Saturday, August 6, 2022 11:10 AM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:03 PM, Laura Richardson wrote:
And Brian's response to you by stating "you're not paying attention" and his poor attitude and rudeness towards many others on this list is quite unnecessary.
-
Yes, inconvenient statements of truth are sometimes hard to take.  But those of us who wish to learn take them on board.
If you think that saying someone has not been paying attention, when they have not, in fact been paying attention based upon what they've said, is rude, well, that's your problem, and I have no intention of making it mine.
My contributions here stand on their own, thank you very much.  I don't really seek, or need, your approval or that of anyone else.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
**Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.***
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


JM Casey
 

Yes, that’s all very true.

 

Funny story, though not related to tech at all—I ha a buddy in the fifth grade, back in the early 90s,  who, with another guy, did play a few pranks on me. I didn’t’ always take them well back in those days, to be fair. Well, I had these big plastic geometric polygon shapes in a bin somewhere in the classroom, which were used for tactile demonstration purposes. The pyramid rose to a very sharp point/apex. Well, these guys decided it would be fun to put the pyramid on my chair when I was away from the desk. I went to sit on the chair, and of course, right on top of the pyramid. The sharp point broke off when I sat on it, and you can guess where it went. That was quite a painful prank. Funny thing is, I never totally forgot about the prank, but I did forget who had done it. Years later, as in, early 2020, I actually reconnected with that guy, whom I hadn’t seen since 1993 or something. We went to a bar and had some drinks, and it turns out, we get on even better now than we did then. And he remembered the prank, and told me he still felt bad about it almost thirty years later, and insisted on paying for my pints. Now we hang out and play dungeons and dragons.

 

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:29 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:

You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.

-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

Most people aren't victims of abuse.

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 3:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.
-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 03:07 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click
It's never fun for the person being laughed at.
Gene...
On 8/6/2022 3:03 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Sometimes it's allright to have a little laugh at someone else's expense. But it's only reallyf unny the first time.

-----Original Message-----
From: main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene Warner
Sent: August 6, 2022 02:56 PM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

Who does that? When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of others and is generally a good idea.

Gene...


On 8/6/2022 2:48 PM, JM Casey wrote:
Yeah…there’s no real benefit to having it off. Although I know some
of us like to confuse sighted people when we use our computers, or
when they try to use them with the screen-reader still turned on.

*From:*main@jfw.groups.io <main@jfw.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* August 6, 2022 02:20 PM
*To:* main@jfw.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:11 PM, Gene Warner wrote:

Personally, I think that the default setting should be on. I can't
think of a reason why you wouldn't want it.

-
There was a time where the processing demands were enough to "slow
things down" when it was turned on, and I think that's why the
default was OFF.

But given the radical increases in CPU processing power, generally
increased RAM, and the advent of SSDs this is really is no longer the
case in practice. That's why I wish the default were changed.

But we deal with the defaults we get, until the software maker
changes them. I hate some of them and love others. 'Twas ever thus!
--

Brian *-*Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044

*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.
If you’re alive, it isn’t.**
* ~ Lauren Bacall










Gene Warner
 

You might have thought that was funny, but I seriously doubt that your victim was laughing with you.

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 3:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:10 PM, Glenn / Lenny wrote:
You can only do it once without really pissing someone off.
-
Oh, I doubt for many of us that even once wouldn't have that precise result.  We are not amused!
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


Bill White
 

Hi, Brian. Your contributions also do not stand on their own, based upon the fact that you admit to not being an active JAWS user for quite some time. You, and we, would be better served if you would confine your contributions to an NVDA list, where you might contribute more up-to-date information.

 

Bill White

 

billwhite92701@...

 

From: main@jfw.groups.io [mailto:main@jfw.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, August 6, 2022 11:10 AM
To: main@jfw.groups.io
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:03 PM, Laura Richardson wrote:

And Brian's response to you by stating "you're not paying attention" and his poor attitude and rudeness towards many others on this list is quite unnecessary.

-
Yes, inconvenient statements of truth are sometimes hard to take.  But those of us who wish to learn take them on board.

If you think that saying someone has not been paying attention, when they have not, in fact been paying attention based upon what they've said, is rude, well, that's your problem, and I have no intention of making it mine.

My contributions here stand on their own, thank you very much.  I don't really seek, or need, your approval or that of anyone else.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


Gene Warner
 

Absolutely!

Gene...

On 8/6/2022 3:17 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 02:56 PM, Gene Warner wrote:
When I need somebody to do something with my phone or my computer, I
turn off the assistive technology for them. Its called thinking of
others and is generally a good idea.
-
Absolutely, at least if the "something" isn't solving a problem with the Assistive Technology itself.
But, in certain settings it's not at all uncommon for sighted and blind individuals to be collaborating on certain things, and I can tell you that having the visual tracking feature on so that the sighted half of the equation is seeing on screen what the screen reader is working with is a godsend.
In November 2021, a long (105 posts, total, a couple of accidentally misplaced ones in the mix) topic entitled, NVDA’s Handling of Checkboxes in Google Chrome, got into discussing the virtual buffer versus “the real webpage” from a number of perspectives, both my own as a sighted person and many others who use NVDA (or any screen reader, big picture) as their daily access method.   The two posts of mine that I think are worth a look are #89869 <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/89869>  and #89889 <https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/89889>.  The whole topic is worth a look, and once you have activated either one of those two links, at the bottom of the post will be the link to show all 105 posts in the topic.  The default order should be oldest first to newest last.  Though NVDA was the screen reader, the issues discussed apply to any screen reader.
--
Brian -Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044
*Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete. If you’re alive, it isn’t.
*     ~ Lauren Bacall


K0LNY
 


Yeah,
I could only have done the catnip prank the night before I was planning on being in the office the next morning, if I wasn't there to show them how to fix it, it would have been bad.
The only way to fix it was via keyboard.
Glenn

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2022 2:29 PM
Subject: Re: preforming a right click

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.
-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall


 

On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 03:19 PM, JM Casey wrote:
You have to know with whom you are dealing but, I'd say that yes, it can sometimes be..they are perplexed for a while and then they laugh with you. Most people can take it.
-
The only thing I'll disagree with there is the "Most" that leads off your final sentence.  Change it to "Many" though . . .

Practical jokes that are not of an intentionally cruel sort tend to be "reversed into laughter" after the fact.  Many people, particularly those who are pranksters themselves, love a good prank whether it's by them or on them.

Much of how one feels afterward can depend on how long a prank is allowed to play out.  Too long, even if it's meant innocently, and things can turn dark whether you wanted them to not.

But any prank that has cruelty at its core (and, sadly, there are many of those) is just plain wrong and destructive.
--

Brian - Windows 10, 64-Bit, Version 21H2, Build 19044  

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.
     ~ Lauren Bacall